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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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TomViolence posted:They're only necessary or required in a society where private property exists and since their inception they have been the leading edge of capital and the state's war against the people. Yes but as we live in one of those it might be better to have police than the government sending in the army to shoot people.
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Yeah it's important to get the order right. Lets keep the societal bandaids until we've actually got full communism.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:30
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OwlFancier posted:Yes but as we live in one of those it might be better to have police than the government sending in the army to shoot people.  FULL ACCELERATIONISM OR NO BALLS
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Jun 4, 2017 22:31
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Angepain posted:not as big of a shame as theresa may continuing to have a career but still I don't see any possible outcome that allows for this she could win every seat and the tories would have her in exile by 2018. Their election discipline has consistently been a stick they beat labour with, and they've already started getting the daggers out (anonymously, ofc)
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Jun 4, 2017 22:31
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Spangly A posted:I don't see any possible outcome that allows for this If she limps through I think she'll be okay until Brexit is done and then it'll be a massacre where everyone tries to blame everyone else for all the bad things while claiming to be the right choice going forward.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:33
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"we don't know if any opportunity to prevent this attack was missed" says a BBC report which also interviewed three people who said they'd reported one of the attackers as being radicalised.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:40
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It seems like the BBC have reacted really poorly to people claiming they somehow biased the audience for the leaders debate.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:44
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namesake posted:If she limps through I think she'll be okay until Brexit is done and then it'll be a massacre where everyone tries to blame everyone else for all the bad things while claiming to be the right choice going forward. I agree. They are doubtless already sharpening the knives, but even the most committed of them knows that Brexit is going to be a poisoned chalice. I personally see them letting/making May stay on until the Brexit negotiations are done, in order that she takes the blame for failing to achieve the fantasies that Brexiteers hold. Then one of them swoops in, blaming her for whatever unequal treaty we eventually sign, which is then treated as a fait accompli.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:45
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Julio Cruz posted:"we don't know if any opportunity to prevent this attack was missed" says a BBC report which also interviewed three people who said they'd reported one of the attackers as being radicalised. I'm wondering more and more what purpose the BBC actually serves. If they can't even be honest or impartial about something as simple and clear cut as this, what's the point? Better to scrap it than have such a entity masquerading as a serious, responsible and intelligent source of news. It's useless at best, and malignant at worst.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:45
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Apraxin posted:It's the second one: Apologies for misreading then 
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Jun 4, 2017 22:48
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The purpose of the BBC is BBC4, everything else is trash.
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Tigey posted:I agree. They are doubtless already sharpening the knives, but even the most committed of them knows that Brexit is going to be a poisoned chalice. As much as I am rock-hard over the idea of May being very publicly ejected by Tory party colleagues, anything that makes PM Gove or Boris even slightly likely should be avoided.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:49
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Oberleutnant posted:I'm wondering more and more what purpose the BBC actually serves. If they can't even be honest or impartial about something as simple and clear cut as this, what's the point? American popping in here: isn't this the kinda thing the Tories usually say? Forgive me if I'm wrong. I do research pretty regularly for my scholarly work, and BBC news articles are some of the best. The BBC has field offices in every single godforsaken corner of the globe and has reporters ready to explain the local politics with clear contextual knowledge. Stuff that would get 100% ignored by major media companies is covered in the BBC, often better than local sources. This is especially true in Africa and Southeast Asia (and in places where the governments make reliable reporting pretty tough). If they shut down the BBC I'd be really sad, because there's no other global news agency that does English reporting of decent quality.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:49
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TomViolence posted:The purpose of the BBC is BBC4, everything else is trash. 6 Music is good.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:49
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Sorry, does nobody give a toss about the Amber Rudd story from this afternoon or did I miss that itt?
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TomViolence posted:The purpose of the BBC is BBC4, everything else is trash. Only Connect started on BBC4 so is allowed also.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:50
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Oberleutnant posted:Cops can be good people, but all cops are bastards. well my dad was a cop and wasn't a bastard
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Jun 4, 2017 22:53
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OwlFancier posted:While the police have a lot of problems I continue to maintain that they are preferable to the alternative and that cutting their numbers isn't going to make them less poo poo in the ways that they are poo poo. Historically cutting their numbers has increased their shittiness. People stay on in a job with reduced pay and conditions only when they're getting something non-material out of it, and I'll lead you to draw your own conclusions on what that might be. TomViolence posted:They're only necessary or required in a society where private property exists and since their inception they have been the leading edge of capital and the state's war against the people. Fairly sure that crimes against the person still make up the lion's share of police work and that abolishing private property isn't going to stop most of them.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:54
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JosefStalinator posted:American popping in here: isn't this the kinda thing the Tories usually say? Forgive me if I'm wrong. BBC world service is good the BBC in the UK is currently in a state of perpetual terror over funding cuts that the tories keep threatening, makes ridiculous equivocations between totally unequal arguments, and just won't stop giving airtime to business experts Thanks Ants posted:6 Music is good. 6 music local radio crew represent The DPRK posted:Sorry, does nobody give a toss about the Amber Rudd story from this afternoon or did I miss that itt? Jeremy corbyn's speech tonight actually addressed arms sales to KSA and the role it has in ISIS but tories shutting down debate for dodgy reasons is what they do. It's also much easier to get away with in the current news/poliical climate
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abolishing private property is the sort of thing that has the kind of widespread repercussions where you'd need a police force of some kind, if only to fight counter-revolution
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Jun 4, 2017 22:55
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Yeah, a lot of people in the area were absolutely bricking it, particularly as it happened while Ariana Grande was just finishing her set.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:56
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The DPRK posted:Sorry, does nobody give a toss about the Amber Rudd story from this afternoon or did I miss that itt? which Amber Rudd story?
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JosefStalinator posted:American popping in here: isn't this the kinda thing the Tories usually say? Forgive me if I'm wrong. But in the last couple of years (I'd guess since their charter was changed) they seem to have become much more quiescent and wary of offending the government through any serious scrutiny or questioning. And when you get away from the purely institutional issues it's an inarguable fact that a lot of the BBC's UK-based political editors are massive tories, and really bad at hiding their sympathies.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:56
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Angepain posted:which Amber Rudd story? There was a town hall style debate somewhere and one of the people on the panel stated talking about Saudi Arabia, arms deals, etc, and Amber Rudd got the moderator to take the mic off the guy to stop him talking, I think? There's a video floating around a few pages back.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:58
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I get the impression that the BBC is still licking its wounds from the fallout of Gilligan and the Hutton Enquiry, hence the reluctance to be seen criticising the sitting government. So basically its another thing we can blame on Blair.
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Jun 4, 2017 22:58
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R. Guyovich posted:abolishing private property is the sort of thing that has the kind of widespread repercussions where you'd need a police force of some kind, if only to fight counter-revolution
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Jun 4, 2017 22:59
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i was trying to be a little more subtle about it
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Jun 4, 2017 23:00
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Spangly A posted:BBC world service is good Ah right, forgot that there was a distinction between the BBC World Service and the UK-based reporting. Have your way with the BBC goons, just leave me my previous World Service.
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Jun 4, 2017 23:00
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The BBC has been consistently called biased by both sides of every issue. It's nowhere near perfect but it must be doing something right.
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Jun 4, 2017 23:00
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Steve2911 posted:The BBC has been consistently called biased by both sides of every issue. It's nowhere near perfect but it must be doing something right. "both sides" hate liberals
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Jun 4, 2017 23:03
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Steve2911 posted:The BBC has been consistently called biased by both sides of every issue. It's nowhere near perfect but it must be doing something right. I mean, not really, because the tories are wrong when they say that.
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Jun 4, 2017 23:03
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Here's a poo poo take from a waste of oxygen https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/871466461411377153
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Jun 4, 2017 23:04
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Steve2911 posted:The BBC has been consistently called biased by both sides of every issue. It's nowhere near perfect but it must be doing something right. Yeeeeeaaaah but kippers and other assorted racists call the BBC lefty biased commies when they don't publicise calls for the deaths of all non-whites. Leftists (itt, for example) have been calling the BBC biased when they don't publicise, or selectively edit major speeches by politicians campaigning in a General Election, or when they willfully ignore the statements of people who say they personally reported terrorists, in favour of spinning an editorial narrative. Or when they help schedule sequential resignations from the Labour party in order to get the most damaging and dramatic story possible. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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Jun 4, 2017 23:04
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Steve2911 posted:The BBC has been consistently called biased by both sides of every issue. It's nowhere near perfect but it must be doing something right. For the average person the BBC has massively swung to the left in the last couple of weeks as election broadcasting rules kick in.
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Jun 4, 2017 23:05
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Fairly sure that crimes against the person still make up the lion's share of police work and that abolishing private property isn't going to stop most of them. Violent crime is strongly correlated with poverty and the secondary consequences of poverty. When people's material needs are adequately met they tend not to be violent towards each other. So yes, abolishing private property would have a knock-on effect on the causal factors of a great deal of violent crime. Obviously this a bit of a generalisation and some people are going to be dicks no matter how well they're doing, but I still reject the commonsensical idea that the police and prisons and the criminal justice system are a necessary basis upon which any society must function.
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Jun 4, 2017 23:09
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Thanks Ants posted:Here's a poo poo take from a waste of oxygen Fun??? Happiness??? Joy??? I SPIT ON ENJOYMENT *sharts in anger*
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Jun 4, 2017 23:12
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 Jeremy Corbyn sympathises with the extreme and deluded ideology of one of the attackers. How can he protect this country.
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Jun 4, 2017 23:14
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all these drat kids out having fun when they could be sitting at home thinking about
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