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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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HAT FETISH posted:Finally some coverage of Rudd shutting down that speech. Tfft. 105 AD: Emperor He Di dies after a 17-year reign in which court eunuchs and the emperor's in-laws have regained influence. Empress Deng Sui placed her son Shang Di (barely 3 months old) on the throne, as the fifth emperor of the Chinese Eastern Han Dynasty. The DPRK fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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The Guardian plainly don't want him to win, they want to maintain the moral high ground and their image as the 'progressive correct' newspaper when he loses
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Jun 5, 2017 12:17
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MiddleOne posted:What does shoot to kill even imply considering that the last three were shot tod death by the police. Do they currently not aim for the torso or something? It refers to a policy in northern ireland where you'd shoot suspected terrorists outright on the probability they'd be a threat soon.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:17
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Tesseraction posted:I think for my own sake I'm going to get shitfaced early, see the exit poll and then go to sleep. I've got an exam on Friday, but I know from the many many elections these last few years that if I wake up in the middle of the night I'll not be able to go back to sleep and just sit up all night reading some live feed and crying gently into a pillow.
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CyberPingu posted:Doesnt it really all hinge around the severity of the situation. If a guy is running around with a knife then you should try to subdue him, at worst a pop shot in the leg to take him down. But if someone is in a bomb jacket then I dont know if they have much choice. As already stated that's not the shoot to kill policy that Corbyn was being asked about. It's been really badly reported
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:If a policeman saw known jihadists who weren't in the process of committing a crime they could execute them on the spot. Obviously shoot to kill is not current policy. Running around with a knife and a bomb jacket satisfies reasonable suspicion and more there, but I'm not sure I trust the discretion of anyone to differentiate between 'known jihadist' and 'awkward looking Asian guy' down the barrel of a gun. My uncle apparently looked a lot like someone on one of the watch lists. Never did find out who but it was always fun when he tried boarding a ferry. Fortunately not enough to get randomly shot up, but he did get held for a couple of hours and questioned about his 'fake British passport'.
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Owlkill posted:Isn't there some confusion where it actually refers to pre-emptively killing terrorists (a la the IRA getting taken down in Gibraltar), rather than the use of lethal force generally? Yes, absolutely. The UK doesn't have a "shoot-to-kill" policy, it has a "reasonable force" policy, and shooting someone actively trying to stab people while wearing a bomb vest is reasonable force.
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Nope, we've been over this, read up thread a bit. Basically a shoot to kill policy would make zero difference to how officers act during situations with active attackers.
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ThomasPaine posted:The Guardian plainly don't want him to win, they want to maintain the moral high ground and their image as the 'progressive correct' newspaper when he loses Theresa May is right on extremism. We cannot be held back by a fear of causing offence posted:I do not believe Jeremy Corbyn would be a competent guardian of the nation’s security. lol It's basically liberalism.txt, as usual.
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Regarde Aduck posted:No police force in the world trains anyone to do this. For good reasons. The Dutch police force does, actually.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:22
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Basically, it's like if in an interview during the second Gulf War Blair was asked if he was okay with bombs killing Iraqi civillians, and he said he was uncomfortable with that, and then it got spun as "Loony lefty Blair doesn't want to kill the republican guard, he's out of touch and soft on defence".
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Jun 5, 2017 12:24
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Here is my prediction using my highly scientific methodology. thanks electoral calculus CON: 361 LAB: 216 LD: 3 (with the same vote share too lol) Other: 70 My charity is Shelter, unless someone has a better homeless charity recommendation.
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My seat predictions: Lab: 420 UKIP: 14 CON: 88 SNP: 69
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Oberleutnant posted:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/04/theresa-may-extremism-radicalisation W'Ancona is their pet tory, there to (mostly) spew the party line.
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https://twitter.com/polcommentuk/status/871687761023074304 ITV news political editor not quite understanding politics. Pretending to be dense to make a point or literally thinking the country has been rudderless for the past two months?
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Tesseraction posted:W'Ancona is their pet tory, there to (mostly) spew the party line. Aaaaah. I never normally read his articles so this has passed me by completely.
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Oberleutnant posted:My seat predictions:
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Oh my goodness, it's good to see Labour finally getting the strong hits in when it counts. As much as the Amber Rudd thing is horrific I think it might actually be good that the focus is staying on police cuts, it's a simpler story that's much easier to understand and ask pointed questions about. Even the one or two Muslim–hating bigots on my Facebook feed can understand that you need police officers to act on the information they've been given.
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Labour need to run with the police force cuts. It's really good messaging that throws the security thing right back in their face. Would be nice if there was an effective way to counter the edited videos too. Carecat fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Jun 5, 2017 12:31
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The more I hear about the Tories the less I seem to like them. Looks like their campaigning has been on message then.
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Guavanaut posted:What charity? Oh wit we're doing a charity thing if we're wrong? Put me down for Don't Hate, Donate.
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:That oxford toff campaign manager is loving brilliant at his job. remember milnas
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So when Theresa May is quoted this morning as supporting 'shoot to kill' wtf does she mean or any of the assembled journalists understand her to mean? That when we did it with the IRA it was fine, or that we are doing it again now? Or just words are now meaningless beyond having used up a small sliver of time so that we can all get on with our decay into dusty nothingness?
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NotJustANumber99 posted:So when Theresa May is quoted this morning as supporting 'shoot to kill' wtf does she mean or any of the assembled journalists understand her to mean? She's been very clear on this.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:38
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Oberleutnant posted:Aaaaah. I never normally read his articles so this has passed me by completely. Private Eye had a bit of a chuckle that when he was at the Torygraph or Times or w/e he was a clean shaven little pencil-neck, and that as soon as he had a column at the lefty-graun he was suddenly filled out and sporting a beard to appeal to the bearded lefty stereotype.
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Let me be clear, we have always had this position on shoot-to-kill, and Jeremy Corbyn has already said that he wouldn't launch a nuclear weapon.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:41
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People don't know what shoot-to-kill is, they think that opposing it means that you'd instruct officers to shoot-to-wound during an active terrorist incident. The Tories have no interest in correcting this because it suits their Corbyn = bad narrative.
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Jun 5, 2017 12:41
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To those of you in support of Corbyn this election, how do you remember feeling this far out from the 2015 election? I find that much of the pro-Corbyn messaging was due to his being a principled man that has been misrepresented by the media. I don't think I could have said the same about Ed Miliband...
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NotJustANumber99 posted:So when Theresa May is quoted this morning as supporting 'shoot to kill' wtf does she mean or any of the assembled journalists understand her to mean?
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The DPRK posted:To those of you in support of Corbyn this election, how do you remember feeling this far out from the 2015 election? I remember that for me it was more about wanting to keep the Tories out, than having any really positive feelings for Labour. I feel positive about the Lab manifesto this time. It's not left wing enough to satisfy me personally, but right now I'll settle for having a government that isn't actively trying to kill all poor and disabled people.
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I'm not a Corbyn supporter but at this point in 2015 I was feeling nervously optimistic. After all, labour was polling well and the Tory campaign had been lacklustre. Milliband had also appeared to capture the imagination of the young with his celebrity endorsements and social media presence.
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The DPRK posted:To those of you in support of Corbyn this election, how do you remember feeling this far out from the 2015 election? "Oh god he's hosed it"
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not a Corbyn supporter but at this point in 2015 I was feeling nervously optimistic. but then a bacon sandwich caused brexit
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not a Corbyn supporter but at this point in 2015 I was feeling nervously optimistic. remember when russell brand endorsed him after voter registration ended
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Jun 5, 2017 12:49
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Tesseraction posted:Let me be clear, we have always had this position on shoot-to-kill, and Jeremy Corbyn has already said that he wouldn't launch a nuclear weapon. wait never mind I've just heard that he's changed his tune https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/871683343590588416 https://twitter.com/rachyoungeritv/status/871682620110905344
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Mugsbaloney posted:I was planning something similar but yesterday I tried preacher curls for the first time in a while, and was inadvertently hyperextending. I woke up with such severe tendonitis that my arms are locked in a 45 degree Barbie posture. In the absence of lifting, as an outlet I am exploring the world of Dutch nutter breathing exercises instead. The stress is real! a 45 degree Barbie posture is just about perfect for squats, my dude EDIT - re: 2015, I was in the same boat as Ober. Not at all enthused by Ed or the manifesto, but willing to vote Labour to keep the Tories out. I also didn't expect Labour to win, as I recall, but was surprised, horrified and enraged by the drubbing they wound up taking
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The DPRK posted:To those of you in support of Corbyn this election, how do you remember feeling this far out from the 2015 election? Ed was a good guy, but he always felt a bit... wishy-washy. In 2015 I felt fairly confident we were going to win. Not excited. Exasperated by poo poo like the Edstone and the failure to go hard in on anti-austerity, but generally relieved that Cameron was on the way out having only managed to do a term's worth of damage. e: It felt like a fairly lacklustre Labour campaign that year, and I remember wondering why the polls showed us ahead when it didn't feel like we should be. But I trusted the polls in the end. KOGAHAZAN!! fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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