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Labour | 907 | 49.92% | |
Theresa May Team (Conservative) | 48 | 2.64% | |
Liberal Democrats | 31 | 1.71% | |
UKIP | 13 | 0.72% | |
Plaid Cymru | 25 | 1.38% | |
Green | 22 | 1.21% | |
Scottish Socialist Party | 12 | 0.66% | |
Scottish Conservative Party | 1 | 0.06% | |
Scottish National Party | 59 | 3.25% | |
Some Kind of Irish Unionist | 4 | 0.22% | |
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian | 3 | 0.17% | |
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist | 36 | 1.98% | |
Misc. Far Left Trots | 35 | 1.93% | |
Misc. Far Right Fash | 8 | 0.44% | |
Monster Raving Loony | 49 | 2.70% | |
Space Navies Party | 39 | 2.15% | |
Independent / Single Issue | 2 | 0.11% | |
Can't Vote | 188 | 10.35% | |
Won't Vote | 8 | 0.44% | |
Spoiled Ballot | 15 | 0.83% | |
Pissflaps | 312 | 17.17% | |
Total: | 1817 votes |
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forkboy84 posted:Who'd you have to replace her? Best odds you can get on Boris, the bookies favourite, is 6/1. Amber Rudd the 2nd favourite, then Philip Hammond. Not sure Rudd would stand much chance in the light of the past few days though. no idea. it seems so unlikely that we'll be in that position that you might as well pick an outside wildcard. David Cameron why not
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:31 |
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forkboy84 posted:Who'd you have to replace her? Best odds you can get on Boris, the bookies favourite, is 6/1. Amber Rudd the 2nd favourite, then Philip Hammond. Not sure Rudd would stand much chance in the light of the past few days though. The Saudi Arabia thing is bad for Rudd, but the right-wing papers have been laying the groundwork to cast her as a heroic martyr to May's cowardice, so I don't think she's dead and gone yet.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:32 |
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forkboy84 posted:Who'd you have to replace her? Best odds you can get on Boris, the bookies favourite, is 6/1. Amber Rudd the 2nd favourite, then Philip Hammond. Not sure Rudd would stand much chance in the light of the past few days though. Boris has "star power", but he is too discredited in the eyes of many after the leave campaign and is seen as a bit too unpredictable. I'm sure Leadsom, Fox, and a few randomers (Davies?) would chuck their hat in the ring too. Maybe a return for Gove?
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:32 |
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NotJustANumber99 posted:So when Theresa May is quoted this morning as supporting 'shoot to kill' wtf does she mean or any of the assembled journalists understand her to mean? She means she's a proper 'ard lad who'd give them terrists a right rollicking you best believe yourself. Not like that posh wanker Corbyn who'd hug a jihadi amirite.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:32 |
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Oberleutnant posted:I remember that for me it was more about wanting to keep the Tories out, than having any really positive feelings for Labour. I feel positive about the Lab manifesto this time. It's not left wing enough to satisfy me personally, but right now I'll settle for having a government that isn't actively trying to kill all poor and disabled people.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:33 |
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mediadave posted:Ask me if I disagree with the UVF I'll ask you to gently caress off. Can you gently caress off? Oberleutnant posted:Andrea Leadsom Coral have her at 100/1 if you actually think that. Cerv posted:no idea. it seems so unlikely that we'll be in that position that you might as well pick an outside wildcard. Gideon to ride in on his Evening Standard horse to save the party? Actually, if we're talking about wildcards, what about Ruth Davidson? Drop her into the first available safe seat at a by-election? Convince some backbencher to step down in favour of a cushy job for a wealthy Tory donor?
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:34 |
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I only just realised your username was "spectralent" I've been somehow misreading it as "spectraltaint" since forever.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:35 |
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forkboy84 posted:I'll ask you to gently caress off. no.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:35 |
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forkboy84 posted:Coral have her at 100/1 if you actually think that.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:36 |
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Ewan posted:Home Sec --> PM is a relatively normal progression. Home and Foreign are famous for putting people you don't really want to become future PM.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:37 |
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Realised today that it's just about a year since people were demanding that the previous Tory PM resign. Of course he then went on and did, but not really in the way anyone wanted. https://vimeo.com/162545657
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:38 |
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Oberleutnant posted:I only just realised your username was "spectralent" I've been somehow misreading it as "spectraltaint" since forever. This somehow makes me happier than the namtab thing.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:38 |
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mediadave posted:I'm ambivalent about Corbyn, I guess his persistent habit of prevarication (being unable to denounce the IRA without also denouncing loyalist groups, being unable to denounce antisemitism without also denouncing all other racism, etc) hits me the same way the immigration cup hit lots of you. Which I still think is stupid, Ed's immigration policy was more open than Corbyn's is now, but nevermind. I do take the point that Corbyn has enthused and inspired people in a way that most PLP candidates couldn't. We will see if it actually shakes out that way, of course. I think he was way too optimistic about nuanced positions translating across the media but they look to have a better handle on it recently. Being against nuclear weapons is a logical viewpoint as they are impossible to use without armageddon, we have NATO and it's very expensive but to a lot of people that would just translate into being a pussy, even the French have nukes.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:38 |
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Carecat posted:I think he was way too optimistic about nuanced positions translating across the media but they look to have a better handle on it recently. Being against nuclear weapons is a logical viewpoint as they are impossible to use without armageddon, we have NATO and it's very expensive but to a lot of people that would just translate into being a pussy, even the French have nukes. Bet those big bleeding heart liberals wouldn't even glass iran for no reason though.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:39 |
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Guavanaut posted:Is it? I can only think of Churchill and Callaghan. I think there was another one but pre-20th century so Lord Aristocratic Cravatlace or something.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:41 |
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Could a sufficiently weak Conservative majority, either reduced or only marginally bigger than pre-election, be enough for May's resignation? Or would she need to lose the majority entirely before her stepping down becomes plausible?
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:41 |
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Carecat posted:I think he was way too optimistic about nuanced positions translating across the media but they look to have a better handle on it recently. Being against nuclear weapons is a logical viewpoint as they are impossible to use without armageddon, we have NATO and it's very expensive but to a lot of people that would just translate into being a pussy, even the French have nukes. I was having exactly the same argument back in the first leadership run... https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3734026&pagenumber=58&perpage=40#post448873920 but I voted Corbyn then and will now.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:41 |
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Well, guess what John Woodcock has been up to? Showing gratitude for Momentum coming to his constituency to campaign on his behalf & just growing the gently caress up? https://twitter.com/BBC_Cumbria/status/871641385639837696 That'll be no then. How much longer until he gets the whip removed & punted out of the party?
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:42 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Obviously shoot to kill is not current policy. Somebody should tell that to the BBC because they keep saying that it is (1:14): https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/871686888070889474
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:43 |
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forkboy84 posted:Well, guess what John Woodcock has been up to? Showing gratitude for Momentum coming to his constituency to campaign on his behalf & just growing the gently caress up? they should have done it before the election just like that other oval office Danczuk. I'm pretty sure Barrow & Furness is going to the Tories no matter what so at least he's probably loving off hopefully forever.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:44 |
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Halisnacks posted:Could a sufficiently weak Conservative majority, either reduced or only marginally bigger than pre-election, be enough for May's resignation? Or would she need to lose the majority entirely before her stepping down becomes plausible? No, I think failing to deliver a crushing victory would be enough given how awful her campaign's been so far. This was meant to be a formality, and they've come out severely bloodied. Unless it turns out the entire time everything was wrong and they were really ahead and had nothing to worry about they'll be out for blood.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:44 |
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mediadave posted:I'm ambivalent about Corbyn, I guess his persistent habit of prevarication (being unable to denounce the IRA without also denouncing loyalist groups, being unable to denounce antisemitism without also denouncing all other racism, etc) hits me the same way the immigration cup hit lots of you. Which I still think is stupid, Ed's immigration policy was more open than Corbyn's is now, but nevermind. I do take the point that Corbyn has enthused and inspired people in a way that most PLP candidates couldn't. We will see if it actually shakes out that way, of course. I mean, I gotta say I think Corbs is 100% correct here.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:46 |
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The postal votes that are in at the moment show the Tories with an 11% lead.
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spectralent posted:No, I think failing to deliver a crushing victory would be enough given how awful her campaign's been so far. This was meant to be a formality, and they've come out severely bloodied. Unless it turns out the entire time everything was wrong and they were really ahead and had nothing to worry about they'll be out for blood. Yeah, anything less than a landslide and her head will roll. Even though they're still going to win, she's embarrassed the party and thrown away what should have been an easy victory.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:47 |
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Daveman23 posted:The postal votes that are in at the moment show the Tories with an 11% lead. On one hand old people do a lot of postal voting and they're meant to be voting tory anyway. On the other hand hope is a lie.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:48 |
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All right time for some midnight mail snatchin' lads. Meet me at the local sortin office.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:49 |
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Daveman23 posted:The postal votes that are in at the moment show the Tories with an 11% lead. That is very encouraging if it is the case. Who polled it?
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:50 |
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Daveman23 posted:The postal votes that are in at the moment show the Tories with an 11% lead. This sort of thing comes out every election but how do people know this? Aren't they counted on the night along with the normal votes?
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:50 |
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spectralent posted:No, I think failing to deliver a crushing victory would be enough given how awful her campaign's been so far. This was meant to be a formality, and they've come out severely bloodied. Unless it turns out the entire time everything was wrong and they were really ahead and had nothing to worry about they'll be out for blood. I think anything other than a significant increase in the Tory majority will leave May's position untenable, as the largest unforced error in UK political history.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:50 |
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Daveman23 posted:The postal votes that are in at the moment show the Tories with an 11% lead. You know who postal votes? Old people (and me).
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:50 |
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Ewan posted:Fair enough - seems I'm talking bollocks on that one. Obvs there's May herself to add to that too...
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:50 |
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Pretty sure they don't count postal votes until the day and they certainly don't release them as a poll.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:50 |
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Daveman23 posted:The postal votes that are in at the moment show the Tories with an 11% lead. Aren't postal votes supposed to remain sealed until the day of the election?
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:51 |
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Halisnacks posted:Could a sufficiently weak Conservative majority, either reduced or only marginally bigger than pre-election, be enough for May's resignation? Or would she need to lose the majority entirely before her stepping down becomes plausible? Less than Cameron means the knives will be out imo. Edit: Even a minor increase from Cameron would be problematic for her.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:51 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Aren't postal votes supposed to remain sealed until the day of the election? They're opened to be verified, but shouldn't be counted afaik.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:52 |
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Halisnacks posted:Could a sufficiently weak Conservative majority, either reduced or only marginally bigger than pre-election, be enough for May's resignation? Or would she need to lose the majority entirely before her stepping down becomes plausible? it depends if the police cuts angle keeps getting pushed after the election I think.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:53 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I think anything other than a significant increase in the Tory majority will leave May's position untenable, as the largest unforced error in UK political history. How would this untenable position be acted on though? I will give the Tories that they seem committed to power above all (see: the swift falling behind May with minimal bickering in the last Tory leadership election). How could they pretend to be the "strong and stable" party with their 3rd leader in less than two years?
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:54 |
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Daveman23 posted:The postal votes that are in at the moment show the Tories with an 11% lead. What's your source?
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:54 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I think anything other than a significant increase in the Tory majority will leave May's position untenable, as the largest unforced error in UK political history. Brexit will probably be regarded in the long one as a bigger self-own.
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:56 |
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Halisnacks posted:How would this untenable position be acted on though? I will give the Tories that they seem committed to power above all (see: the swift falling behind May with minimal bickering in the last Tory leadership election). How could they pretend to be the "strong and stable" party with their 3rd leader in less than two years? Looking hypocritical hasn't stopped them doing stupid poo poo before?
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# ? Jun 5, 2017 13:56 |