UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed.
Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
Total:	1817 votes

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Firos: Apr 30, 2007; Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism

jabby posted:

Holy gently caress that party political broadcast for Labour was powerful stuff. Genuinely nearly had me in tears.

Link?

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:11

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jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Firos posted:

Link?

Was just on the Beeb, not sure it's been released elsewhere yet.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:12

Extreme0: Feb 28, 2013; I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!

Got my Postal Vote in and I've noticed that the Scottish Labour candidate is based in Glasgow and the Scottish Lib Dem candidate is based in Edinburgh. They couldn't even bother to field candidates in Kilmarnock and Loudoun and expect to get somewhere?

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:12

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

jabby posted:

This is hilarious on the other hand:

The random Trump diss slays me.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:14

Lord_Adonis: Mar 2, 2015; by Smythe

ThomasPaine posted:

Diane Abbot is really just playing into a frustrating trend amongst the supposed 'left'.

People have an instinctive gut reaction when people say 'white people are scum' because they hear it as 'as a white person you are scum'. And really, why wouldn't they? They are angry at having responsibility for the historical processes and interactions of power between various peoples laid at their feet when they, personally, had nothing to do with any of it. The meaning perceived to the listener (gently caress you) is totally different to the meaning intended by the speaker (historical processes have led white people to occupy and defend privileged positions, and therefore a structurally white power structure has emerged and persists to this day). And this is compounded when actually the white person concerned is rarely an elite and reinforces power structures in only the most superficial and incidental way.

The whole set-up of 'white people' is also fundamentally flawed because that the hell does 'whiteness' even mean. Was Bobby Sands 'white' when the British Army was subjecting him to appalling treatment in jail while occupying Ireland and harassing its Catholic population? Certainly it's interesting how the use of the term 'fenian' in the Irish context has significant parallels to the term 'friend of the family' in the US one. There's a racialised element at play in both but I'd usually see that as a post-hoc rationalisation of colonialism. An inferior 'race' is any population that becomes colonised - or rather finds itself trampled by the global power structure. Had Africa been predominantly white are we really going to suggest that the slave trade would never have happened? Of course it would have, and the same old justifications and racialisation would take place. By this argument are the poor whites of an industrialised country not racialised - or something similar - in their own way? Losurdo's Liberalism book that is regularly recommended in this thread has a heap of examples of the way the European working class were considered essentially a different species during the 18th and 19th centuries.

So really I think moving away from this strange racialised discourse that idpol seems to have latched onto wholesale is a hugely important move, and instead we should focus on appreciating and explaining the actual structures of power behind our social relationships and why, yes, these have let to a situation in which being black makes a person disproportionately likely to be worse off and subject to bigotry. But try doing this amongst the 'woke liberal' brigade and all you get are a heap of people complaining about how little they care about 'white tears' and how privilege needs to be checked etc etc. It's not helpful and it directly plays into the hands of the elites by driving people against one another. And I believe there are almost certainly a few people who do actually get this but are deliberately provocative in their language because they're making a rhetorical point, but it's something to be very careful of. Taunting potential comrades during a period of resurgent fascism is..well dangerous. I guess this also applies to 'men' and 'cis' and whatever too.

tldr: idpol sucks guys seriously

I dare say that when 'responsibility' and the stated or unstated need for 'restitution' are 'laid at the feet' of a White person- or at least a White person who doesn't earn much more than the median salary, the question in the White person's mind asks what this would mean for their job, house, ability to support their family, and mundane material considerations like this- it is a kind of open ended question with an uncertain answer that people are likely to reflexively ignore or react negatively to.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:16

TomViolence: Feb 19, 2013; PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Race-making has historically served two purposes: rationalising the imperial project and undercutting class solidarity. I think the main problem with the contemporary discourse around race is that it comes in the wake of the collapse of political blackness and as such it serves the latter purpose far more than it strengthens bonds of solidarity between workers. However, there's an alarming tendency to want to throw the baby out with the bathwater on the part of modern white leftists, when really what needs to be done is we need to reclaim the discourse of identity politics for the left by reinjecting it with class politics and a materialist understanding of race, gender and sexuality.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:22

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

MiddleOne posted:

The random Trump diss slays me.

I want an "other youth slang" t-shirt

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:22

deletebeepbeepbeep: Nov 12, 2008

May is back out visiting people in the streets again.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15329378.Why_was_Theresa_May_hiding_from_the_voters_in_a_dark_warehouse_on_the_edge_of_Edinburgh_/

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:24

GEORGE W BUSHI: Jul 1, 2012

Extreme0 posted:

Got my Postal Vote in and I've noticed that the Scottish Labour candidate is based in Glasgow and the Scottish Lib Dem candidate is based in Edinburgh. They couldn't even bother to field candidates in Kilmarnock and Loudoun and expect to get somewhere?

the Lib Dem candidate in my seat (Swansea East) was based in loving London.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:34

Tigey: Apr 6, 2015

Baron Corbyn posted:

the Lib Dem candidate in my seat (Swansea East) was based in loving London.

To be fair its probably hard to find people willing to stand for the Lib Dems these days

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:35

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

Tigey posted:

To be fair its probably hard to find people willing to stand for the Lib Dems these days

You underestimate how much a few non-Tories hate Corbyn.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:36

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Firos posted:

Link?

Found it on Iplayer. Everyone should watch this, and share it when it's available on YouTube. It's another by Ken Loach, and boy can you tell.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:37

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Lord_Adonis posted:

It looks increasingly like anyone who is hell-bent on maintaining their rights as a citizen of the EU is going to have to think about emigrating to one of the EU 27, whether one is a Tory, Labour or Lib Dem voter. If, like me you lack the funds to emigrate in the near future, then I guess it sucks to be us.

I don't lack the funds. I just can't speak a foreign language which would make getting a basic job hard and my degree isn't stem so I doubt I could get anything career based either. I would just be moving to a place where I don't know anyone and adding a language barrier.

What is even the standard method of emigrating? Find a job first then move, or move and then look for a job?

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:37

willie_dee: Jun 21, 2010; I obtain sexual gratification from observing people being inflicted with violent head injuries

Baron Corbyn posted:

the Lib Dem candidate in my seat (Swansea East) was based in loving London.

Same as the Tory Candidate in Bristol, shes London based, never had a real job, never lived here, and is the daughter of some super loaded landed gentry and cousin of Jacob Rees Mog. She is horrific.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:40

Firos: Apr 30, 2007; Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism

jabby posted:

Found it on Iplayer. Everyone should watch this, and share it when it's available on YouTube. It's another by Ken Loach, and boy can you tell.

gently caress.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:44

Don't Lol me: Sep 6, 2004

jabby posted:

Found it on Iplayer. Everyone should watch this, and share it when it's available on YouTube. It's another by Ken Loach, and boy can you tell.

Christ that got to me, I expect you get to personally experience those kinds of anecdotes pretty often. gently caress the tories.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:45

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Regarde Aduck posted:

I don't lack the funds. I just can't speak a foreign language which would make getting a basic job hard and my degree isn't stem so I doubt I could get anything career based either. I would just be moving to a place where I don't know anyone and adding a language barrier.

What is even the standard method of emigrating? Find a job first then move, or move and then look for a job?

Ireland exists. It's also possible to get by in English in many smaller European countries. That was certainly my experience in Norway. (I found the job first) I agree it depends what jobs you have skills for though.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:49

Antifa Poltergeist: Jun 3, 2004; "We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"

Regarde Aduck posted:

I don't lack the funds. I just can't speak a foreign language which would make getting a basic job hard and my degree isn't stem so I doubt I could get anything career based either. I would just be moving to a place where I don't know anyone and adding a language barrier.

What is even the standard method of emigrating? Find a job first then move, or move and then look for a job?

Not british, but as someone who worked in the uk ,germany and Spain,the Later if you are really proficient in the native language,if not the former.you might try companies that run Call centers they usually hire english speakers to work abroad,though again, knowing extra languages is a big Plus.try looking up companies like teleperformance. Otherwise find a country with a big expat community and try to find a job in retail in those enclaves.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:52

Prince John: Jun 20, 2006; Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Regarde Aduck posted:

I don't lack the funds. I just can't speak a foreign language which would make getting a basic job hard and my degree isn't stem so I doubt I could get anything career based either. I would just be moving to a place where I don't know anyone and adding a language barrier.

What is even the standard method of emigrating? Find a job first then move, or move and then look for a job?

There's always Ireland? In finance, I believe Germany is English in the workplace, but you'll need to learn it ASAP to get involved socially with anything.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:55

Gort: Aug 18, 2003; Good day what ho cup of tea

https://twitter.com/PiaGuerra/status/871769551259582464

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:57

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

This been posted here yet?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/871295013560471552

It's yer boy Corbyn resurrecting the corpse of Scottish Labour like Jesus with a Lazarus who kept screaming that they just wanted to be dead.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:57

stev: Jan 22, 2013; Please be excited.

Gonzo McFee posted:

This been posted here yet?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/871295013560471552

It's yer boy Corbyn resurrecting the corpse of Scottish Labour like Jesus with a Lazarus who kept screaming that they just wanted to be dead.

I almost forgot Scotland would gently caress us.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 19:59

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

ChainsawCharlie posted:

Not british, but as someone who worked in the uk ,germany and Spain,the Later if you are really proficient in the native language,if not the former.you might try companies that run Call centers they usually hire english speakers to work abroad,though again, knowing extra languages is a big Plus.try looking up companies like teleperformance. Otherwise find a country with a big expat community and try to find a job in retail in those enclaves.

I'm having to think about this right now as my gf wants me to move to Barcelona with her in the autumn, and on the one hand it would be amazing, but on the other hand the only Spanish I know is how to tell her I love her. Half considering taking an OU course in IT while working shity jobs for a couple years and just basically starting over, but it's a scary prospect.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:00

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

ChainsawCharlie posted:

Otherwise find a country with a big expat community and try to find a job in retail in those enclaves.

Of course those communities are currently kinda under a question mark come Brexit...

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:00

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Gonzo McFee posted:

This been posted here yet?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/871295013560471552

It's yer boy Corbyn resurrecting the corpse of Scottish Labour like Jesus with a Lazarus who kept screaming that they just wanted to be dead.

If ScotLab split the vote enough to give the Tories a base in Scotland, I'm going to be loving annoyed.

Also, another one here for "Would emigrate somewhere else, if I had any money at all". I've got family in Canada who are apparently doing pretty well, but I couldn't even afford a flight out there, let alone living there.

Gyro Zeppeli fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jun 5, 2017

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:00

haakman: May 5, 2011

Oberleutnant posted:

I'm having to think about this right now as my gf wants me to move to Barcelona with her in the autumn, and on the one hand it would be amazing, but on the other hand the only Spanish I know is how to tell her I love her. Half considering taking an OU course in IT while working shity jobs for a couple years and just basically starting over, but it's a scary prospect.

Can I have your job then because apart from the poshos it sounds quite interesting for a history buff?

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:02

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

Steve2911 posted:

I almost forgot Scotland would gently caress us.

By voting against the Tories in far greater proportion than rUK?

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:06

blunt: Jul 7, 2005

big scary monsters posted:

By voting against the Tories in far greater proportion than rUK?

By splitting the SNP vote and letting Tories in.

(This is, ironically, bad for Jeremy Corbyn)

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:07

stev: Jan 22, 2013; Please be excited.

big scary monsters posted:

By voting against the Tories in far greater proportion than rUK?

By splitting the non-Tory vote to oblivion.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:09

Raeg: Jul 7, 2008; The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.

blunt posted:

By splitting the SNP vote and letting Tories in.

(This is, ironically, bad for Jeremy Corbyn)

If anything, it's splitting the Tory vote, they're the tandem campaigning on being anti-Sturgeon here.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:10

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Tesseraction posted:

I was just making a joke about The Office tbh. But still at least Gervais is supporting the Right Choice here.

I know, but I've had a really lovely day with jobs taking an hour longer than they should and then getting stuck on the Isle Of Wight until half six

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:11

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Raeg posted:

If anything, it's splitting the Tory vote, they're the tandem campaigning on being anti-Sturgeon here.

ScotLab are (understandably) banking on people not realizing ScotLab don't support Corbyn. Anecdotal evidence, but I've spoke to a few people who have swung from SNP to Labour because they like Corbyn, not realizing that Kezia's Krew would stick the knife in as soon as they possibly could.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:12

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

haakman posted:

Can I have your job then because apart from the poshos it sounds quite interesting for a history buff?

Realtalk: if you love history don't ever think of being an archivist. It's not about history. Become an historian instead. They're the ones who get to do all the fun stuff.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:13

Raeg: Jul 7, 2008; The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

ScotLab are (understandably) banking on people not realizing ScotLab don't support Corbyn. Anecdotal evidence, but I've spoke to a few people who have swung from SNP to Labour because they like Corbyn, not realizing that Kezia's Krew would stick the knife in as soon as they possibly could.

Both Tory and Labour's entire campaign are the unionist vote, surely a split of the unionist vote ends up helping the SNP.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:14

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/871580240337817600

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:14

Antifa Poltergeist: Jun 3, 2004; "We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"

Oberleutnant posted:

I'm having to think about this right now as my gf wants me to move to Barcelona with her in the autumn, and on the one hand it would be amazing, but on the other hand the only Spanish I know is how to tell her I love her. Half considering taking an OU course in IT while working shity jobs for a couple years and just basically starting over, but it's a scary prospect.

If you dont have any kids or sick relatives or anything its amazing and something that every young person should do because its awesome to discover new places and meet new people even if for 3/4 years.its also looks really good in a cv. I actually lived in Barcelona and its an amazing city.Spanish is probably the easiest of the romance languages to pick up and if memory serves me barcelona has a huge uk expat community.just give up on ever learning catalan though.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:15

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

I know, but I've had a really lovely day with jobs taking an hour longer than they should and then getting stuck on the Isle Of Wight until half six

Yikes mate, sorry to hear that

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:17

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Tesseraction posted:

Yikes mate, sorry to hear that

was originally due back at 5, but I pushed it back to 6 as I was getting behind. Ended up getting to Fishbourne just after 5 and then the 6pm ferry was delayed by 45 minutes

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:18

double nine: Aug 8, 2013

https://twitter.com/unisontweets/status/871802585585418241

could be neat/useful to persuade your co-worker tory maybe perhaps

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:19

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Extreme0: Feb 28, 2013; I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!

Raeg posted:

Both Tory and Labour's entire campaign are the unionist vote, surely a split of the unionist vote ends up helping the SNP.

Not if the votes are coming from SNP to Labour. This is why as much I was like to vote Labour. I can't really take the risk of spliting the vote where the Tories can come in. Plus it dosen't help that the Scottish Labour candidate is nowhere near our constituency.

# ? Jun 5, 2017 20:19

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