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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Guavanaut posted:

And a fourth in a field in Pennsylvania? :tinfoil:

lol

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Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

spectralent posted:

He's lost an election while having had to fight his party almost as much as the opposition, and will have come drat close. That's not a result that says he's inherently hopeless and could never win, as claimed; that suggests short sighted idiots sabotaged a good thing.

When has he been 'fighting his party' during this election?

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Hope is the first step in the road to disappointment

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

SkySteak posted:

Didn't Yougov, at one point predict a victory for Scottish Independence? Optimism isn't worthless but I would be a bit more careful on basing hope upon a sole poll!
Yougov's two polls and their model (which are all pretty similar to each other) aren't actually the most exciting ones, those would be the two from Survation that suggest a Labour coalition.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

spectralent posted:

He's lost an election while having had to fight his party almost as much as the opposition, and will have come drat close. That's not a result that says he's inherently hopeless and could never win, as claimed; that suggests short sighted idiots sabotaged a good thing.

Plus his polls and favourability ratings have shot up since the election campaign, now the public have read the manifesto and seen what he actually stands for, and seen him give speeches and interviews which weren't edited into a 30-second hit piece for the BBC website.

Imagine where he'd be now if he hadn't spent 18 months being portrayed as an unelectable, weak, indecisive, anti-Semitic Communist by members of the media and of his own party.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Sky News posted:

The Tories are unleashing Boris Johnson to attack Jeremy Corbyn in the tense final days of the General Election campaign.

With one new opinion poll suggesting the Tory lead over Labour is down to just one point, the Foreign Secretary will say the thought of Mr Corbyn as Prime Minister makes him "shudder".

gently caress guys, might as well pack it in.

quote:

On Brexit, the Prime Minister is also promising new trade structures to make sure all parts of the UK benefit from leaving the EU.

A new Board of Trade will bring together leading figures from business and politics across all four corners of the UK.

The Conservatives will also seek to establish a network of new HM Trade Commissioners around the world to promote British exports, seek inward investment and drive UK trade policy overseas.

Newsflash: Tories release boring policy on trade that no-one understands.

quote:

Labour is returning to another issue on which the Tories have looked vulnerable during the campaign, Mrs May's social care plans - branded a "dementia tax" by opponents.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has branded the Tory manifesto - including scrapping the pensions "triple lock" and changes to social care - "the single biggest attack on pensioners in a generation".

Labour highlighted public health research that found the fuel allowance was responsible for a 46% fall in excess winter deaths between 2000 and 2012 - accounting for 4,277 less deaths out of the drop of 9,298.

Meanwhile Labour continues to attack extremely unpopular plans on social care and accuse the Tories of trying to kill pensioners.

It's hard to believe they are still being this poo poo even in the closing days of the campaign.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
given everyone's going into their post-loss slapfights ahead of time i guess he probably is going to win now, just because the gods love loving with us

StoicFnord
Jul 27, 2012

"If you want to make enemies....try to change something."


College Slice
Piss flaps, I know that your currently tying your personal identity to the "Corbyn must lose" idea. I get it. We all get it.

FFS, we all went into this knowing the liklihood of winning was remote. I've voted Corbyn twice for leader. I knew that when May called the election.

I am personally amazed at the effort and progress made in the Campaign. It's been really inspirational.

And I cling to that small hope that we will get the upset we all hope for.

I kinda hope you want that upset too.

I'm not blind to the challenge. I'm not blind as to the expectation that we will lose. Don't mistake the Hope expressed here as some sort of delusion.

We knew it was an insurmountable challenge.

You don't have to say the same stuff. It's okay, we get it. I get it.

If it happens, it'll be amazing. But it probably won't.

But I think how far we've come and I think that deserves some acknowledgement, don't you?

Anyway, I'm going to try to pass that hope I have down again. I don't think I can deal with my own disappointment and the tears of my friends, people that see their life in risk.

Take care.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

So is it good weather or bad weather that's bad for Corbyn on polling day

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
No Hope Plz.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Namtab posted:

So is it good weather or bad weather that's bad for Corbyn on polling day

I think we're relying on really good youth turnout, so good weather would be better. Although if a tornado or something were to strike the Home Counties that'd be OK too.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

People itt still trying to debate the guy who spent the last two years calling for Corbyn to step down and clear the way for anyone else

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Lol its all kicking off
https://twitter.com/NYCMayor/status/871768812894531584

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Julio Cruz posted:

I think we're relying on really good youth turnout, so good weather would be better. Although if a tornado or something were to strike the Home Counties that'd be OK too.

I live here so I'd prefer that didn't happen

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Pissflaps posted:

When has he been 'fighting his party' during this election?

One example of many, although I will concede things have calmed down since the election was called. He's still 'fighting' his party in the sense they are not actively supporting the national campaign.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/01/labour-front-bench-not-says-former-corbyn-shadow-minister-michael/

On the plus side, Tom Watson has obviously decided he likes the way the wind is blowing and started laying into Theresa May:

quote:

In a speech to Labour supporters in Birmingham on Monday, the party's deputy leader will say Mrs May's track record proves she cannot be trusted.

He will say that as Home Secretary, she repeatedly failed to reduce immigration, and slashed the number of police officers.

"This election campaign is making a few things about Mrs May abundantly clear," he will say. "Remember how she promised us she wouldn’t call it? Eight times.

"She said there was ‘no need’ for a general election, that it would ‘introduce a note of instability’ to the country, that ‘it wasn’t going to happen'.

"That tells you all you need to know about Tory promises. And it tells you a lot about our Prime Minister."

Ken Clarke was infamously recorded describing Mrs May as "a bloody difficult woman", a description she has tried to use to her advantage.

But Mr Watson will say: "The Tories are trying to cover up the fact that May goes to pieces when criticised, that she gets flustered, she flounders.

"Theresa May isn’t a bloody difficult woman. She’s a woman who’s finding this all a bit too bloody difficult.

"She likes to tell us that she’s strong and stable. A Ronseal politician - it does exactly what it says on the tin. Closer inspection of a Ronseal tin reveals that what it actually says on there is “may perform poorly in unpredictable conditions” and “will need replacing within five years”.

"Whatever the result, whether she wins or loses, and even if she increases her majority, she will come out of the last seven weeks a diminished figure."

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

Namtab posted:

So is it good weather or bad weather that's bad for Corbyn on polling day

Sheet ice would be good to take out all the olds

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Why is the election on a weekday? I've actually lived in the UK and voted in an election before but I could have sworn that was on a weekend.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Namtab posted:

People itt still trying to debate the guy who spent the last two years calling for Corbyn to step down and clear the way for anyone else

When Corbyn fails to defeat the worst Tory campaign in living memory it will take a brave person to continue insisting I am wrong.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

freebooter posted:

Why is the election on a weekday? I've actually lived in the UK and voted in an election before but I could have sworn that was on a weekend.

Lower turnout is good for tories.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

El ingenioso político don Corbyn de la Hoz y el Martillo

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



freebooter posted:

Why is the election on a weekday? I've actually lived in the UK and voted in an election before but I could have sworn that was on a weekend.

Fairly sure it's always been on a Thursday.

Which again, gives advantage to parties where:

1) Supporters are retired and can go and vote
2) Supporters work reasonably middle-class jobs where they can come in late or take a bit of time off

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

freebooter posted:

Why is the election on a weekday? I've actually lived in the UK and voted in an election before but I could have sworn that was on a weekend.

It's been Thursday for as long as we've been alive.

I think it's because that's the day people are least likely to be drunk.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

When Corbyn fails to defeat the worst Tory campaign in living memory it will take a brave person to continue insisting I am wrong.

When Corbyn wins I'm campaigning for my friends, the mods, to ban you

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Righto. Is there a specific reason it's Thursday? I remember the US having Tuesday for some specific 19th century reason about farmer's market days being on Saturday.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

If you want to poison your mind with some hope, remember how everyone keeps saying that leader rating is a good indicator on who wins the election? Here's the latest from yougov (a few days old):

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/871113524310925312

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

Fans posted:

I think it's because that's the day people are least likely to be drunk.

It is actually related to the likelihood of being drunk.

quote:

UNTIL 1918, polling at General Elections took place over several days and at one time different constituencies could complete polling on different days, thereby - it was alleged - creating a bandwagon effect for a successful political party. The 1918 Representation of the People Act restricted polling to one day (except for Orkney and Shetland until 1929). Since 1918 a General Election has always been on a Thursday, except for 1918, 1922, 1924 and 1931. The reason for choosing Thursday, it is said, was as follows. On Fridays the voters were paid their wages and if they went for a drink in a public house they would be subject to pressure from the Conservative brewing interests, while on Sundays they would be subject to influence by Free Church ministers who were generally Liberal in persuasion. Therefore choose the day furthest from influence by either publicans or Free Church clergymen, namely Thursday. Although these influences are much less significant today, the trend towards Thursday becoming a universal polling day has continued, because Urban District Councils and Rural District Councils all polled on a Saturday until they were abolished under the 1972 Local Government Act. Their successor District Councils poll on a Thursday and the Parish Council polling day was changed from Saturday to Thursday at the same time.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.
Let's see how those police cuts effected the two places in the UK I could actually call home:


orange sky
May 7, 2007

Kokoro Wish posted:

Let's see how those police cuts effected the two places in the UK I could actually call home:




looks good

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

We live in the worst possible timeline.

Labour will win just barely, and the PLP will promptly stab Corbyn in the back in favor of some Blairite shithead. Literally none of the Labour manifesto's proposals will come to pass. With the electorate soured on Labour's non-delivery on their promises, 3 decades of Tory rule is ushered in at the next election.

There. Now whatever happens, I can go "it could've been worse"

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I am getting frighteningly close to feeling hope help

Snipee
Mar 27, 2010

Namtab posted:

When Corbyn wins I'm campaigning for my friends, the mods, to ban you

I haven't been following the thread religiously. Is this still part of your plan to seduce Pissflaps?

Anyways, holy poo poo at the crime stats. What a weird situation when the left is suddenly more "tough" on crime than the right.

Benjamin Arthur
Nov 7, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

When Corbyn fails to defeat the worst Tory campaign in living memory it will take a brave person to continue insisting I am wrong.

You're a thick dickhead attention whore who thought Corbyn was leading Labour to it's destruction and you should get a life rather than making bad posts in this thread your whole life

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Kinda funny, the survation vote share for Labour of 40.5% is only 0.2% away from matching Tony Blair's landslide victory in 2001.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Benjamin Arthur posted:

You're a thick dickhead attention whore who thought Corbyn was leading Labour to it's destruction and you should get a life rather than making bad posts in this thread your whole life

:eyepop:

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Skinty McEdger posted:

It is actually related to the likelihood of being drunk.

drat, that's hilarious and wonderful. Furthest day away from the influence of a pub or a church.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Snipee posted:

Anyways, holy poo poo at the crime stats. What a weird situation when the left is suddenly more "tough" on crime than the right.

It's also nice Corbyn's promoting some sound policing strategies while "WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WE LIKE FOR ANY REASON OR TERRORISTS WIN" is being shown to have utterly failed.

oh no now I'm feeling hope too

Benjamin Arthur
Nov 7, 2012
Either Corbyn will become PM or Corbyn will likely face a leadership battle against useless flaps approved red Tory who he will smash. So you may as well eat a dick and join the Tories mate

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Can someone bring down all the hope in this room by pointing out the other times polls pointed to a tighter race only for labour to be humiliated?

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Pissflaps posted:

When Corbyn fails to defeat the worst Tory campaign in living memory it will take a brave person to continue insisting I am wrong.

You already are wrong. Whether he wins or loses he should have had the support of his party. They chose to believe, like you, that it was impossible for him to win and set about making it a self-fulfilling prophecy. Worst Conservative campaign in history? Meet most backstabbing party of imbeciles who have utterly betrayed their leader and the Labour membership. They cancel each other out.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Al-Saqr posted:

Can someone bring down all the hope in this room by pointing out the other times polls pointed to a tighter race only for labour to be humiliated?

Well last time was Ed Milliband vs David Cameron.

Now it's hopeful jam granddad vs thatcher without the sex appeal.

It's up to you whether you think the current situation is comparable.

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