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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Remember: A vote for ScotLab is a vote for Dugdale, not for Corbyn. In what sense is this true? Serious question. It's a national election, is Scottish Labour a meaningfully distinct entity from the rest of the Labour party at Westminster? How does more Labour MPs from Scotland equate to anything other than more chance of Corbyn winning?
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Miftan posted:Oh sorry, I meant more like Sunday times, I guess? Maybe shops open at 10-11 instead? Where all non-essential work is paused but obviously public transport and such are on. That's how it's done in Israel and it seems to work pretty well. Last election turnout was 72.3% though obviously there are other factors. I'm fairly certain turnout would be lower if you made it a bank holiday or a weekend because people would piss off to Ikea or Thorpe Park or wherever, and the sort of person with shifts harsh enough that they can't make it when the polls are open are the type who are also not going to be able to make it at a weekend.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:16
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kustomkarkommando posted:You've got to register it as a description with the electoral commission - Looking at it this year the Tories added "The Conservative and Unionist Party" (which I guess they must have stopped using) "Conservatives" and "Scottish Conservative Party Candidate" Just in case people forgot, Aberdeen Labour "made it happen" if "it" was going into coalition with the Tories and independents to lock out the majority SNP councillors, getting themselves kicked out of the party in the process, leaving Aberdeen City Council being run by a coalition of 9 Tories and 13 independents.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:16
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peanut- posted:In what sense is this true? Serious question. It's a national election, is Scottish Labour a meaningfully distinct entity from the rest of the Labour party at Westminster? Yes, Scottish Labour are significantly to the right of Corbyn's Labour. A lot of the PLP that opposed Corbyn are ScotLab MPs. So by voting for ScotLab, you're voting for the MPs who spent the last few years trying to ratfuck Corbyn out of the leadership.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:17
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:This is what I was talking about when I expressed my worries at Labour splitting the vote in Scotland. This is dumb. A vote for ScotLab is a vote for the local candidate, the national leader & the overall leader, as well as for the party in general. And if you think the SNP can't lose the seat to the Tories, voting Labour is OK. Not as easy a choice as it would be if ScotLab were lead by someone less useless, but hey ho.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:17
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I'm fairly certain turnout would be lower if you made it a bank holiday or a weekend because people would piss off to Ikea or Thorpe Park or wherever, and the sort of person with shifts harsh enough that they can't make it when the polls are open are the type who are also not going to be able to make it at a weekend. That's fair enough. I'm used to something else obviously but I guess it's probably a cultural thing at this point so I'll drop it. Do you think there are other ways to increase voter turnout other than making sure politics is about people's lives instead of a game that toffs play?
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Jun 7, 2017 11:18
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:A lot of the PLP that opposed Corbyn are ScotLab MPs. So by voting for ScotLab, you're voting for the MPs who spent the last few years trying to ratfuck Corbyn out of the leadership. Mate, there is one Scottish Labour MP, you may as well have just said ALL THE SCOTLAB MPS HATE CORBYN! A vote for Rhea Wolfson is not a vote against Corbyn you plonker.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:18
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Yes, Scottish Labour are significantly to the right of Corbyn's Labour. A lot of the PLP that opposed Corbyn are ScotLab MPs. So by voting for ScotLab, you're voting for the MPs who spent the last few years trying to ratfuck Corbyn out of the leadership. But they will still be Labour MPs subject to the Labour whip if Corbyn wins. I mean you might think they're cunts, but the idea that voting for Scottish Labour candidates doesn't support Corbyn's election campaign seems like a stretch
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Jun 7, 2017 11:19
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MikeCrotch posted:There's no evidence that it would decrease turnout, but it does appear that weekend voting being adopted doesn't increase turnout within a country. Yeah, having to register to vote is pretty absurd IMO. If Corbs wins he should change it to automatic registration if at all possible.
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https://twitter.com/HKesvani/status/872183539588091904 First time I've not hated a landlord.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:23
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How about compulsary voting. Make an option for 'none of the above'. Or how about direct democracy done using an app, or for those watching at home, the red button.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:24
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Miftan posted:That's fair enough. I'm used to something else obviously but I guess it's probably a cultural thing at this point so I'll drop it. I'm not sure if just increasing turnout for the sake of turnout is actually a goal worth pursuing. Reduce friction to voting, sure, but turnout already varies massively between successive elections, because it turns out that a lot of people don't vote not because it's too hard but because they're just sick of politics and/or don't believe their vote matters. Address that - make it so that peoples votes can actually have an effect - and turnout will probably drift up, but I seriously doubt it'll ever go above 80%, and I don't think there's anything being added to the political life of the country by forcing low/no-information/enthusiasm voters to the polls. e: to be clear I'm not making an elitist "If you can't be bothered to vote you don't count" argument here - I'm saying it's up to political parties to actually get through to the low-information/low-enthusiasm voters. However I would back a ban, enforced by murderdrone, of anyone having loud political opinions in the pub or on social media if they didn't vote in the last election. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Jun 7, 2017 11:25
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peanut- posted:In what sense is this true? Serious question. It's a national election, is Scottish Labour a meaningfully distinct entity from the rest of the Labour party at Westminster? On a yellow-draped platform an orator of the Inner Party, a small lean man with disproportionately long arms and a large bald skull over which a few lank locks straggled, was haranguing the crowd. A little Rumpelstiltskin figure, he gripped the neck of the microphone with one hand while the other, enormous at the end of a bony arm, clawed the air menacingly above his head. His voice, made metallic by the amplifiers, boomed forth on how Scottish Labour was merely a branch office of London Labour. It was almost impossible to listen to him without being first convinced and then maddened. At every few moments the fury of the crowd boiled over and the voice of the speaker was drowned by a wild beast-like roaring that rose uncontrollably from thousands of throats. The most savage yells of all came from the schoolchildren. The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker's hand. He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the narratives were different. Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Scottish labour were not at all a branch office of London Labour! They were a quite separate party! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong narrative on them. It was sabotage! There was a riotous interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. mediadave fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Jun 7, 2017 11:25
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CptAwesome posted:How about compulsary voting. Make an option for 'none of the above'. Australia being a racist shithole with offshore detention camps for refugees seems like a strong case against compulsory voting.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:26
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Nice piece of fish posted:Is there seriously grassroots enthusiasm for the Corb? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT_QlrSP6dE I just did a YouTube search for 'Jeremy Corbyn speech crowd' and picked a recent one. He's drawing enormous crowds everywhere he goes. At a different speech earlier in the campaign:  Theresa May has been keeping her speeches hidden, private and only allowing select supporters to attend. (I did an image search for 'May speech crowd' and one of the first results was a little too on the nose.) Earlier this week: Tories told to cheer and clap during Theresa May’s visit. IF the youth actually come out and loving vote, we can win this.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:26
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Someone please remind me how the NI MPs affect majority threshold. Should be 326 for a majority but it's actually less? YouGov have the Tories on 304, Labour 266, LD 12 and SNP 46. Would a repeat of the 2010 coalition be enough to hold in practice, or would the Tories be totally hosed and we'd be looking at a Lib/Lab/Nat deal?
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Jun 7, 2017 11:27
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peanut- posted:But they will still be Labour MPs subject to the Labour whip if Corbyn wins. Alright. ScotLab are cunts, and their entire manifesto seems to just be "The SNP Are Bad". Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a Labour majority. But I don't want a Scottish Labour MP again, especially since my local MP for a long time was Jackie Bailie who was a big wheel in the Unionist campaign during the IndyRef. So I do hold a grudge. CptAwesome posted:How about compulsary voting. Make an option for 'none of the above'. Compulsory voting means political messaging becomes even more populist and reactionary. See: Australia.
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forkboy84 posted:Australia being a racist shithole with offshore detention camps for refugees seems like a strong case against compulsory voting. All that heat just gets them worked up. Understandable.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:29
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sassassin posted:I don't care about pronouns or skin colour, Abbot was awful. What makes you think that?
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Jun 7, 2017 11:30
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Anyone know where Corbyn is today? Was hoping he might be in Manchester so I could go along.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:32
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sebzilla posted:Someone please remind me how the NI MPs affect majority threshold. Should be 326 for a majority but it's actually less? The only real effect is Sinn Fein not taking their seats, so it lowers the amount needed for an outright majority by a few seats. Most of the other NI parties have established links or traditional common-cause with Westminster parties so that figures in when you're talking about minority government though.
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Sinn Fein and the speaker mean that the actual number for a majority is 322. And the Tories can probably get support from the 10ish DUP/UUP seats in westminster, even if the Tories don't make a deal with the lib dems. So really, Tories have to drop below 310 seats to not form a minority government I imagine (Assuming that Lib Dem/DUP support is mutually exclusive).
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Jun 7, 2017 11:33
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josh04 posted:What makes you think that? She couldn't do maths on tv. Carol Vorderman for PM.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:34
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The Bodger and Badger guy passed away today.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:34
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Miftan posted:the left historically doesn't do very well with Jewish people I mean, not always true  A whole bunch of the OG Bolshevists (and other Russian left parties) were Jewish.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:34
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CptAwesome posted:How about compulsary voting. Make an option for 'none of the above'. I'd go with automatic registration, the ability to vote online and PR, but all this is academic, because neither the Tories nor Labour want that, because it's against their narrow political interests.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:35
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I'm still attacking any form of hope but by gawd corbs has done better with this campaign than I could have ever dared entertain. Absolutely smashed it.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:35
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sebzilla posted:Someone please remind me how the NI MPs affect majority threshold. Should be 326 for a majority but it's actually less? The Lib Dems, Labour and the SNP leaders have all gone on record ruling out a formal coalition.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:35
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sassassin posted:She couldn't do maths on tv. Twice Nightly Whiteley would have gotten my vote, had he not gone to the big dictionary corner in the sky.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:36
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minema posted:Anyone know where Corbyn is today? Was hoping he might be in Manchester so I could go along.
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ultrabindu posted:The Bodger and Badger guy passed away today. Going to eat an enormous bowl of mashed potato tonight in tribute.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:36
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ultrabindu posted:The Bodger and Badger guy passed away today. It's things like this, not accidents of geography, history, politics, linguistics, or taste in crisp flavours, which will ensure this thread remains inscrutable to outsiders.
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CottonWolf posted:I'd go with automatic registration, the ability to vote online and PR, but all this is academic, because neither the Tories nor Labour want that, because it's against their narrow political interests. Oh god not online voting. I do not trust the government to make a IT infrastructure which wouldn't be hacked, and it makes allegations of foul play much easier.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:37
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minema posted:Anyone know where Corbyn is today? Was hoping he might be in Manchester so I could go along. scotland iirc
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nothing to seehere posted:Oh god not online voting. I do not trust the government to make a IT infrastructure which wouldn't be hacked, and it makes allegations of foul play much easier. This video gets posted every time someone brings up the idea of online voting, but it's a pretty good rundown of why online voting is a terrible idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI
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Jun 7, 2017 11:39
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mediadave posted:Are we getting polls today? *banging knife and fork on table* POLLS POLLS POLLS POLLS
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Jun 7, 2017 11:40
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Jose posted:if abbot is in such ill health she's been pulled now then standing for election is a bit of an issue there's no time for the local party to select another candidate. the only fair when to handle the situation is to run the election as scheduled. then possibly have a by-election.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:41
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CptAwesome posted:*banging knife and fork on table* POLLS POLLS POLLS POLLS Polllllsss for the polll goddddddddd. Seriously though I'm mildly addicted to checking the BritainElects Twitter feed.
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feedmegin posted:I mean, not always true I've yet to meet a Jew who was born/raised east of Poland that didn't loving hate the USSR. Lots of OGs were Jewish (even marx) but I don't think that translated to the next generations. There's a much bigger presence of Jews in the Unions, I think, than other lefty organisations. Still this is academic because the biggest hurdle between Jews and the modern left is Israel.
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