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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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I mean I can see why targeted Facebook ads are really attractive for a political campaign but this suggestion that they're full-on mind control and we're all dancing on the puppet-strings of the marketing types is just lol edit: 147: the highest possible break in the glorious
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Voting for Corbyn would require them to swear an oath of allegiance to the Crown so I don't think they're likely to just do that for the craic. Or they could opt to take it in Scottish Gaelic, and replace 'Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth' with 'a tub of rubber ducks' safe in the knowledge that nobody speaks Scottish Gaelic.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:27
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:This is what I was talking about when I expressed my worries at Labour splitting the vote in Scotland. Mugsbaloney fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Jun 7, 2017 12:29
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peanut- posted:I don't get your point, it's not actually written by a Tory staffer or anything. I would have assumed it had more to do with those shock wins being against poo poo campaigns wracked by scandals.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:30
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:This is the position I'm taking. At least look up your constituency results before deciding on a party. If the Tories are a threat where you're voting in Scotland, please just vote SNP. I know tactical voting is horrible and cynical, but I'm sure even the Labour supporters in this thread would broadly agree that they'd rather have the SNP in power in any given constituency than the Tories.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:32
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BigHandsVince posted:I'd love to be in a constituency where a Labour vote from me would not be for someone who has repeatedly and consistently undermined Corbyn. That is not the case. None of the names in your graphic have much of a chance of winning. Clearly no, Labour have no chance of winning in at least 55 of the Scottish seats though. The only way to change that? Voting for good Labour candidates. In places like Dundee West, Airdrie & Shotts, Motherwell and Wishaw, Dunfermline, Glasgow South West, etc. Voting for an SNP candidate over one of those when you want to return a Corbyn government & the SNP have stated they won't go into coalition, that's loving stupid. If I lived in Moray, I'd vote for Angus Robertson. If I lived in Livingston I'd vote for Rhea Wolfson. As it is, my candidates are all mediocre at best & I'll probably only vote Labour because it's a safe SNP seat.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:33
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forkboy84 posted:This is dumb. A vote for ScotLab is a vote for the local candidate, the national leader & the overall leader, as well as for the party in general. And if you think the SNP can't lose the seat to the Tories, voting Labour is OK. Not as easy a choice as it would be if ScotLab were lead by someone less useless, but hey ho. Yeah this is what I'm thinking basically
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Jun 7, 2017 12:34
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Lots of indecision on this thread. Not what Labour needs from the youth vote.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:36
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jBrereton posted:tbf one of the great advantages Marx had was literally never living in anything other than capitalist luxury. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3252FSW7OC4
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Jun 7, 2017 12:36
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Coohoolin posted:Just in case people forgot, Aberdeen Labour "made it happen" if "it" was going into coalition with the Tories and independents to lock out the majority SNP councillors, getting themselves kicked out of the party in the process, leaving Aberdeen City Council being run by a coalition of 9 Tories and 13 independents. Necessary fact correction: 1) The SNP are not a majority on Aberdeen City Council, they are the largest plurality with 19 of the 45 councillors. 2) You got the number of Labour and Tory councillors backwards. It's 11 Tory, 9 Labour. 3) The Labour/Tory/LD coalition is not new, it is a continuation of the previous administration.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:37
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forkboy84 posted:The choice in Ochil is between a Tory & an ex-Tory. Voting for a good Labour Party candidate is entirely justifiable. Even an ex-Tory in the SNP follows the goddamm party whip. Look at her loving voting record. https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25274/tasmina_ahmed-sheikh/ochil_and_south_perthshire/votes How you can say that's not preferable to a literal Tory MP and risk letting in an actual Tory MP to appease your principles is dumb dumb dumb.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:38
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Coohoolin posted:Even an ex-Tory in the SNP follows the goddamm party whip. Look at her loving voting record. Well seeing as I know nobody in Ochil & South Perthshire, & no one here lives there, my enduring dislike of that particular opportunist doesn't really look like it'll make any difference.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:40
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Coohoolin posted:Even an ex-Tory in the SNP follows the goddamm party whip. Look at her loving voting record. Once a Tory, always a Tory, doesn't matter how much tartan you dress it up in.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:44
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I for one refuse to apologise for Scotting up UKMT just now on the basis that currently Scotland is part of the UK *strokes goatee*
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Jun 7, 2017 12:48
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For Poll-watchers, Survation are publishing their final poll at 10pm tonight, and last election this was the poll of theirs which gave the right Tory/Labour voteshare which they sat on - So it might be accurate.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:49
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I'd rather have a Tory voting on the SNP whip than a Tory voting on the Tory whip.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:49
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Every tactical voting site says that I should vote Lib Dem but I just can't bring myself to do it
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Jun 7, 2017 12:53
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Mugsbaloney posted:I for one refuse to apologise for Scotting up UKMT just now on the basis that currently Scotland is part of the UK *strokes goatee* Fie, perfidious Scots!  Also  Conservative party billboard van overturns in the wind overturns on M6 - Van was delivering message about Brexit while driving along M6 posted:Social media users mocked the Tories' "strong and stable" slogan after a party advertising van overturned on a windy motorway.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:56
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Every tactical voting site says that I should vote Lib Dem but I just can't bring myself to do it Don't you want to be a part of the #libdemfightback?
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Jun 7, 2017 12:57
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Every tactical voting site says that I should vote Lib Dem but I just can't bring myself to do it If you wrote lib den you'll get labour. A good thing
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Jun 7, 2017 12:59
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https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/872408921205551104 dreadful smear tactic, making your opponent libel you constantly
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Jun 7, 2017 13:01
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Flatscan posted:Once a Tory, always a Tory, doesn't matter how much tartan you dress it up in. Consistently voted against use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas Consistently voted for investigations into the Iraq war Consistently voted against replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system Almost always voted for more EU integration Consistently voted against a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU Almost always voted for a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK Consistently voted for UK membership of the EU Consistently voted against military action against ISIL (Daesh) Consistently voted for paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability Almost always voted against a reduction in spending on welfare benefits Consistently voted against raising the threshold at which people start to pay income tax We don’t have enough information to calculate Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh’s position on increasing the rate of VAT. Consistently voted against higher taxes on alcoholic drinks Consistently voted for higher taxes on banks Almost always voted against more restrictive regulation of trade union activity We don’t have enough information to calculate Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh’s position on reducing capital gains tax. Consistently voted against reducing the rate of corporation tax Voted a mixture of for and against measures to reduce tax avoidance Has never voted on stronger tax incentives for companies to invest in assets Consistently voted for new high speed rail infrastructure Consistently voted against an equal number of electors per parliamentary constituency Consistently voted against fewer MPs in the House of Commons Consistently voted for a wholly elected House of Lords Consistently voted for removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords Almost always voted for transferring more powers to the Welsh Assembly Consistently voted for transferring more powers to the Scottish Parliament Voted a mixture of for and against more powers for local councils Consistently voted against a veto for MPs from England, Wales and Northern Ireland over laws specifically impacting their part of the UK Generally voted for a lower voting age Consistently voted against a stricter asylum system Consistently voted against requiring the mass retention of information about communications Almost always voted against stronger enforcement of immigration rules Generally voted against mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities Has never voted on merging police and fire services under Police and Crime Commissioners Almost always voted for measures to prevent climate change Consistently voted against greater regulation of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) to extract shale gas Consistently voted for new high speed rail infrastructure 
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Jun 7, 2017 13:02
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Fat American here, but this seems concerning: https://twitter.com/theresa_may/status/872181737933217794 Is she role playing V for Vendetta or something?
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Jun 7, 2017 13:03
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Coohoolin posted:Also, there is zero loving chance that SNP MPs would vote for anything other than a Corbyn government (leaving themselves open to be accused of getting a Tory government would ruin them), and many SNP MPs are further to the left than Corbyn (Black, Shepherd). There are something like 12 seats where Tories might beat the SNP in Scotland, and people leaving the SNP to vote Labour will risk splitting the vote and letting in the Tories. The one current Labour MP, Ian Murray, is virulently anti-Corbyn, and would probably be part of any future Blairite coup attempt. the rank hypocrisy, you were happy to advocate before the opposite direction of travel.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:03
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https://twitter.com/anna_shaffer/status/872396597157560320 priorities Diane, priorities
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I'd saying moaning about protesters drinking a cuppa is a little different to not giving eastern European jews moderate amounts of side-eye for not liking the USSR which was founded 35 years after the death of Marx.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:07
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Thats a p.cool story. She seems like a nice person so I wish she: 1. Recovers from whatever issue she currently has; 2. Wasn't being abused 3. Was better at her role.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:08
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Guavanaut posted:They can make a solemn affirmation instead of an oath if they choose, but that assumes it's the God part that the object to and not the Crown part. Why would Shinners speak in Scottish Gaelic rather than Gaeilge?
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Jun 7, 2017 13:13
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https://twitter.com/EditinKing/status/872170702765531138 Here have something fun that isn't election misery.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:15
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Cerv posted:the rank hypocrisy, you were happy to advocate before the opposite direction of travel. Excuse me? WeAreTheRomans posted:Why would Shinners speak in Scottish Gaelic rather than Gaeilge? Is Gaeilge maybe not an official UK language? Dunno. Gaidhlig is though.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:17
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Coohoolin posted:Except don't be an idiot in Berwickshire, Dumfriesshire, Ayr, or Ochil, because the Tories might win there. Goddammit FPTP is a lovely cynical voting system, so use it cynically and pragmatically. The problem with this line of thinking is it treats constituencies like fiefs of the SNP which cannot be challenged, when in several of these cases the SNP have won once, two years ago. They do not have some ordained right to demand fealty from other parties.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:17
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Every tactical voting site says that I should vote Lib Dem but I just can't bring myself to do it Same. I'm lucky enough to live in a solid Labour constituency (although not as solid as I'd like) but if I was in a marginal I'm genuinely not sure I could bring myself to vote Lib Dem. I'm hoping against hope that it's possible to form an anti-Tory alliance without them.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:20
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Ewan posted:https://twitter.com/EditinKing/status/872170702765531138 This is the Britain I like and identify with, not red thumb-headed man demanding nuclear holocaust.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:20
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MikeCrotch posted:The problem with this line of thinking is it treats constituencies like fiefs of the SNP which cannot be challenged, when in several of these cases the SNP have won once, two years ago. They do not have some ordained right to demand fealty from other parties. It means you need to decide what's more important, the importance you attach to a lovely cynical vote in principle, or not having Tory MPs.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:21
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Is Gaeilge maybe not an official UK language?
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Jun 7, 2017 13:22
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Guavanaut posted:They can make a solemn affirmation instead of an oath if they choose, but that assumes it's the God part that the object to and not the Crown part. The affirmation still requires you to affirm loyalty to the Queen, which Sinn Fein will never do. There's also a deeper ideological issue in that Sinn Fein fundamentally contests Westminster's legitimacy in legislating for Northern Ireland, the assembly is seen to emanate from popular sovereignty through the good Friday referendum which is why they attend and participate, not so for Westminster. Then you have the fact that abstention is written into the party constitution and taking your seat is grounds for immediate expulsion from the party - the constitution would need to be rewritten which would require a general ard fheis with members voting to alter the constitution, an event that could very likely cause a split in the party as the decision to end abstention to the Dail did. Also SF only just floated the idea of actually participating in a coalition government in Ireland this year and had previously refused to endorse or participate in any government they where not the majority party in. Its just not going to happen
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Jun 7, 2017 13:22
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I've got a good egg on my Facebook who posted this, might be worth some of you reposting it if you're in labour/snp marginals (if only there were any)quote:A final plea to would-be SNP voters ahead of tomorrow.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:23
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Sanitary Naptime posted:I've got a good egg on my Facebook who posted this, might be worth some of you reposting it if you're in labour/snp marginals (if only there were any) Waste of time when the possible maximum they could get would be 5. Maybe.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:27
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Graun Live Blog posted:Theresa May has run “the most disastrous campaign in living memory”, Leanne Wood, the Plaid Cymru leader, said this morning. Speaking at the Ystradfechan Recreational Grounds in Treorchy, Wood said: 
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BigHandsVince posted:Waste of time when the possible maximum they could get would be 5. Maybe. Agreed, there is no point in doing basically anything.
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