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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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hakimashou posted:When May resigns or gets forced out the thread title should prob change to "Made June The End Of May" loving yes.
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I think the new title should be "This is good for Corbyn."
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So maybe it's too early to ask this, but is there any general consensus on why Labour flipped the table and gained like 30 seats? From my understanding the general consensus was that May was probably going to wring a majority out of the elections, and I figured back to back deadly terrorist attacks would be a Tory wet dream given the universal conservative love of fearmongering voters. But somehow she apparently hosed it all up in glorious fashion.
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Sydin posted:So maybe it's too early to ask this, but is there any general consensus on why Labour flipped the table and gained like 30 seats? From my understanding the general consensus was that May was probably going to wring a majority out of the elections, and I figured back to back deadly terrorist attacks would be a Tory wet dream given the universal conservative love of fearmongering voters. But somehow she apparently hosed it all up in glorious fashion. Because the Tories are bloody right cunts, that's why.
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Sydin posted:So maybe it's too early to ask this, but is there any general consensus on why Labour flipped the table and gained like 30 seats? From my understanding the general consensus was that May was probably going to wring a majority out of the elections, and I figured back to back deadly terrorist attacks would be a Tory wet dream given the universal conservative love of fearmongering voters. But somehow she apparently hosed it all up in glorious fashion. T R U M P
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kinda wierd how it's scotland of all places that's turning tory and not labour lol.
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jabby posted:So we're gonna have a Tory government because of Scotland. Awesome. Hope people learned their lesson about the SNP. Tartan Tories are tories all the same.
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axeil posted:That absolutely makes sense. It brings me back to thinking about last year and how utterly IIRC, Junker or one of the other top EU dudes said that withdrawing Article 50 is on the table and that the EU governing body would accept it. Art 50 is kind of worded like it's not really meant to be revokable, but they're clearly willing to be flexible because nobody in the EU really wants this to happen.
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Sydin posted:So maybe it's too early to ask this, but is there any general consensus on why Labour flipped the table and gained like 30 seats? From my understanding the general consensus was that May was probably going to wring a majority out of the elections, and I figured back to back deadly terrorist attacks would be a Tory wet dream given the universal conservative love of fearmongering voters. But somehow she apparently hosed it all up in glorious fashion. Youth vote, actually good and likeable policies and corbyn being The Boy.
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So, the Tories limp away to the brexit negotiation table like the mutilated mad cow that they are. Corbyn is safe as Labour leader and gets to lay all the blame for whatever shitshow brexit ends up becoming on the Tories well in time for the next election? Sounds like good news to me.
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Sydin posted:So maybe it's too early to ask this, but is there any general consensus on why Labour flipped the table and gained like 30 seats? From my understanding the general consensus was that May was probably going to wring a majority out of the elections, and I figured back to back deadly terrorist attacks would be a Tory wet dream given the universal conservative love of fearmongering voters. But somehow she apparently hosed it all up in glorious fashion. We won't be able to say for sure without more in depth vote analytics but he ran a positive campaign with a positive message and was straight with people. That counts for a lot after 30 loving years of utter bollocks from all parties. Why did trump win, other than racism?
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Al-Saqr posted:kinda wierd how it's scotland of all places that's turning tory and not labour lol. Just like in America it's the inbred whisky making hillbillies that ruin it for everyone else
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It's kind of interesting how much everyone seems to hate Tony Blair given that he's the only Labour leader to win an election since the 1970's. Obviously the Iraq War was plenty bad, so I get it, but he's still the only winner in four decades.
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Sydin posted:So maybe it's too early to ask this, but is there any general consensus on why Labour flipped the table and gained like 30 seats? From my understanding the general consensus was that May was probably going to wring a majority out of the elections, and I figured back to back deadly terrorist attacks would be a Tory wet dream given the universal conservative love of fearmongering voters. But somehow she apparently hosed it all up in glorious fashion. I'm very clear that the strong and stable campaign did not sit well amongst owners of wheat fields
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Jun 9, 2017 05:42
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Mister Adequate posted:There's no apparently way to do a soft Brexit without loving the border with the Free State. If it's soft enough to not gently caress the border it implies we're still utterly beholden to every single EU regulation etc., so Brexit would just mean we don't get any more say in making those regulations. Yep. The Brexit Referendum may be the most head-scracthing thing ever. If I'm in the Tory leadership right now I'm wondering if it's better to just call another election rather than risk a soft Brexit with DUP and people going "the gently caress was the point of all that?"
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Sinteres posted:It's kind of interesting how much everyone seems to hate Tony Blair given that he's the only Labour leader to win an election since the 1970's. Obviously the Iraq War was plenty bad, so I get it, but he's still the only winner in four decades. Tony Blair is a genocidal warcriminal oval office
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Sydin posted:So maybe it's too early to ask this, but is there any general consensus on why Labour flipped the table and gained like 30 seats? From my understanding the general consensus was that May was probably going to wring a majority out of the elections, and I figured back to back deadly terrorist attacks would be a Tory wet dream given the universal conservative love of fearmongering voters. But somehow she apparently hosed it all up in glorious fashion. She screwed up her manifesto so it looked the racist grandpa party was killing old people. She was also home secretary presiding over massive police cuts, screwing up her ability to capitalize on the secure conservative stereotype.
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Sinteres posted:It's kind of interesting how much everyone seems to hate Tony Blair given that he's the only Labour leader to win an election since the 1970's. Obviously the Iraq War was plenty bad, so I get it, but he's still the only winner in four decades. it's because he helped kill around a million people and set up labour to fail in a big way.
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Sinteres posted:It's kind of interesting how much everyone seems to hate Tony Blair given that he's the only Labour leader to win an election since the 1970's. Obviously the Iraq War was plenty bad, so I get it, but he's still the only winner in four decades. Third wayism also created the material conditions for the massive discontent that led to brexit et. al.
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Sinteres posted:It's kind of interesting how much everyone seems to hate Tony Blair given that he's the only Labour leader to win an election since the 1970's. Obviously the Iraq War was plenty bad, so I get it, but he's still the only winner in four decades. It's because he's the reason nobody else has won, hth.
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SpaceDrake posted:The media, especially the Conservative-friendly parts owned by Murdoch, would be ever more vicious, though. They literally called him a terrorist who will get Britain nuked, there's no next level for them to take it to
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Sinteres posted:It's kind of interesting how much everyone seems to hate Tony Blair given that he's the only Labour leader to win an election since the 1970's. Obviously the Iraq War was plenty bad, so I get it, but he's still the only winner in four decades. It's mostly because the post-Attlee Labour really struggled, and the actual labor disputes of the 70s didn't help. Jezza might actually turn it around and, next election, win it all for real. Also many see Blair as a straight-up war criminal regardless of anything else, so. meanwhile https://twitter.com/CNN/status/873035792192491520 christ, will the Tories even hit 310, I wonder. Are we looking at a flat out hung Parliament? More elections next fuckin' week?
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NewMars posted:Youth vote, actually good and likeable policies and corbyn being The Boy. Cool. OwlFancier posted:Why did trump win, other than racism? Populism, general voter ignorance, and Putin.
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TheRat posted:Tony Blair is a genocidal warcriminal oval office Who deserves the loving firing line and that's being generous to the little twit
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Sinteres posted:It's kind of interesting how much everyone seems to hate Tony Blair given that he's the only Labour leader to win an election since the 1970's. Obviously the Iraq War was plenty bad, so I get it, but he's still the only winner in four decades. Who cares if someone wins if they don't enact good policies
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Sydin posted:Populism, general voter ignorance, and Putin. Ok well one of those is applicable here.
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big fan of the cunting ittAl-Saqr posted:kinda wierd how it's scotland of all places that's turning tory and not labour lol. gently caress
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axeil posted:"the gently caress was the point of all that?" TBF that kinda seems to be the Tories thing nowadays.
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tekz posted:Who cares if someone wins if they don't enact good policies Preventing the other side from doing worse is something? It's not unfair to hate him for the Iraq War, of course, but any other plausible leader at the time would have done the same thing given the context of the time and alliance with the US. That doesn't excuse it, but he was still presumably better for the UK than the Conservatives would have been, though I suppose having Conservatives lose a war and discredit themselves for a generation would have ended up being good for Labour eventually.
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Sydin posted:So maybe it's too early to ask this, but is there any general consensus on why Labour flipped the table and gained like 30 seats? From my understanding the general consensus was that May was probably going to wring a majority out of the elections, and I figured back to back deadly terrorist attacks would be a Tory wet dream given the universal conservative love of fearmongering voters. But somehow she apparently hosed it all up in glorious fashion. The terror attacks didn't do their expected right-wing-aiding shite because the loving police cuts became a MASSIVE issue as a result. Labour has some other very popular proposals that got traction too. Aside from that, May was intensely unlikable and remote (e.g. sending Amber Rudd, whose dad died two days earlier, to do the TV debate while May stayed in a dark room meditating on Brexit) whilst Corbyn was extremely good on the stump and evidently convinced a lot of people that he was sincere.
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The best thing is that if the new parliament makes the country unrunnable then who called the loving election  Tories not winning is bad for tories.
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Sinteres posted:Preventing the other side from doing worse is something? It's not unfair to hate him for the Iraq War, of course, but any other plausible leader at the time would have done the same thing given the context of the time and alliance with the US. That doesn't excuse it, but he was still presumably better for the UK than the Conservatives would have been, though I suppose having Conservatives lose a war and discredit themselves for a generation would have ended up being good for Labour eventually. If it helps, Corbyn wouldn't have.
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Does Labour look like they'll have enough to form a coalition government? Is Labour + SNP + Lib Dem likely to be enough?
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OwlFancier posted:We won't be able to say for sure without more in depth vote analytics but he ran a positive campaign with a positive message and was straight with people. That counts for a lot after 30 loving years of utter bollocks from all parties. poo poo Dem candidate + poo poo minority/youth turnout And I say that as someone who voted for her in the primaries and volunteered for her in the general. Basically the UK had the opposite election we did.
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SpaceDrake posted:christ, will the Tories even hit 310, I wonder. Are we looking at a flat out hung Parliament? More elections next fuckin' week? There's 23 to go and the Tories will probably take 18-20 of them.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:If it helps, Corbyn wouldn't have. He may look plausible now, but he absolutely wasn't when Blair was elected.
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Sinteres posted:Preventing the other side from doing worse is something? It's not unfair to hate him for the Iraq War, of course, but any other plausible leader at the time would have done the same thing given the context of the time and alliance with the US. That doesn't excuse it, but he was still presumably better for the UK than the Conservatives would have been, though I suppose having Conservatives lose a war and discredit themselves for a generation would have ended up being good for Labour eventually. You can't fight delaying actions forever, "less bad" doesn't actually do good.
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Too close for comfort https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/873038426416701440
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OwlFancier posted:We won't be able to say for sure without more in depth vote analytics but he ran a positive campaign with a positive message and was straight with people. That counts for a lot after 30 loving years of utter bollocks from all parties. The fact that UKIP split roughly evenly between the Tories and Corbyn's Labour suggests that many people who voted for hard-right loonies don't sincerely believe in racist ideology nearly as much as they believe they're getting hosed by the system and want to vote for someone, anyone, who promises to help make their lives better. So I would say Hillary face planted mainly because she refused to offer anyone a better life and in fact swore up and down that it could never happen.
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