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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Skinty McEdger posted:The big switch I've noticed is that the right wing shitheads aren't going after Corbyn directy now in their attacks having more or less decided he's untouchable, but they're going after his base and the people who voted for him, trying to undermine the nature of the votes he received and arguing through the most mental of gymnastics that they don't really count for one reason or another. I noticed something similar last night in the comments from a few Tory talking heads that were being interviewed over the night. The wording was too similar - I think there is a concious effort to try to push the narrative that Corbyn only won as many votes as he did because of dumb naive kids (who clearly can't be trusted to make decisions) accepted his outright impossible bribes on tuition fees and other things that can't possibly ever be done because there is no magic money tree. Its designed to delegitimise his support - as its only stupid naive kids who will change their minds once they grow up and learn how the real world works. Its of course bitter, spiteful lies from bitter spiteful Tories. That said, Labour needs some to spread some solid talking points amongst its members to defeat this narrative before it settles and becomes commonly accepted (you can bet your life the Mail and Sun will begin spreading it)
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TheRat posted:This is way above my level, but my STA100 professor would have given me the evil eye if I tried to draw that line looks like an R-squared of about 0.1, solid stuff alright
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Jun 9, 2017 17:17
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kzin602 posted:As an American looking in from the outside, what is the subtext of UK vs GB? the island of Great Britain does not include the geographical island of Ireland, which is where North Ireland sits over time unionist sentiment in Belfast has drifted from "PROTESTANT ASCENDANCY, THUMP EM BOYS" to "oh god Westminster is going to ditch us like they ditched everyone else aren't they" so there's a bit of sting in being excluded
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ronya posted:yup. for the DUP, terms between NI and GB have to be at least as good as the terms between NI and RoI, so open borders and single market are critical Here's what I don't understand: they don't seem all that interested in keeping ties with RoI, why wouldn't they just be in favor of hard brexit then? The things they want seem perfectly compatible with what the conservatives are aiming for. At first I assumed they wanted a soft brexit to retain the open border, but they don't want a special status, so what then? That sounds like they want to just straight up leave the EU and close the border..? I'm not British so I'm probably missing something obvious here. e: quote:Essentially, the DUP want the status quo to be maintained, since it keeps the peace (and keeps them in significant power in NI) and keeps them in the Union. They want to maintain the open Ireland border simply because it's key to the Good Friday agreement actually functioning. Oh, I see. So it's not likely they'll just go "gently caress it" and switch to hard brexit then. Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jun 9, 2017 |
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Dennis Skinner just took his seat again. I think Corbyn's gonna be around for a while yet
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kzin602 posted:As an American looking in from the outside, what is the subtext of UK vs GB? GB is the biggest island, where most of England, Wales and Scotland is. It's a bit like calling the US Olympic team Team Contiguous 48 States. So, inaccurate, although: possibly not worth being a priority in talks to run the country?
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Great Britain is the big island (Wales, England, Scotland) and the United Kingdom includes NI and the various small islands.
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Shibawanko posted:Here's what I don't understand: they don't seem all that interested in keeping ties with RoI, why wouldn't they just be in favor of hard brexit then? The things they want seem perfectly compatible with what the conservatives are aiming for. it is what the Tories sitting comfortably in London would want, yes but if you are running for office in Belfast it is quite important to have "☑ did not restart the Troubles" on your CV
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Jun 9, 2017 17:20
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Fans posted:Dennis Skinner just took his seat again. I think Corbyn's gonna be around for a while yet David Winnick lost the seat he's held since 1979. He's 84 and looked absolutely devastated 
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Jun 9, 2017 17:20
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:tories don't need it for a majority with dup but if labour get it then even with dup then all it takes is 1 tory rebel to stop any vote. Nah, remember Sinn Fein doesn't sit so the actual workable majority is 322
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Shibawanko posted:Here's what I don't understand: they don't seem all that interested in keeping ties with RoI, why wouldn't they just be in favor of hard brexit then? The things they want seem perfectly compatible with what the conservatives are aiming for. Hi, my name's the IRA and I'm back.
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Jun 9, 2017 17:21
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kzin602 posted:As an American looking in from the outside, what is the subtext of UK vs GB? UK = Extent of the State which is governed by UK government, includes NI and the various little islands around GB. GB = Largest landmass in the British Isles, England, Wales, Mainland Scotland. British Isles = All islands including the Republic of Ireland.
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Jun 9, 2017 17:21
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ronya posted:it is what the Tories sitting comfortably in London would want, yes Also, the NI economy will eat poo poo with a hard border. Which would also play into the violence of course
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Jun 9, 2017 17:21
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Murderion posted:He gazed up at the enormous face. Two years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the white beard. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two jam-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Jezza. I don't claim to be Captain Statistics but what does it mean to have 'Proportion of people aged 18-25' at a negative? How is this measure better than just 'Percentage of people aged 18-25'?
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Jun 9, 2017 17:22
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communism bitch posted:Labour could actually be dead this morning if everything else had played out the same but with a Blairite in charge. The core of Blairism as a political strategy was to: - downplay history, strategy, ideology and tradition - use triangulation to find the set of left wing policies that can win an election held right now - communicate those policies effectively It's kind of confusing to call Corbyn a Blairite, because Blairism has become the name for a traditionalist faction stuck with outdated assumptions. But Blairism is what he has done. It's just just the result of doing that for the electorate of 2017 looks different than doing it for that of 1997.
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Jun 9, 2017 17:22
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Explain the jam thing to stupid American? I am assuming the dinner egg thing is just twitter
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https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/873162092358111232 Ok this made me snicker.
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Jun 9, 2017 17:23
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Guardian Liveblog posted:
It's another good ol' Tory wheel of knives.
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spiderbot posted:Great Britain is the big island (Wales, England, Scotland) and the United Kingdom includes NI and the various small islands. And Team GB is going to need to keep Uist sweet when lifting a massive fuckoff boulder finally makes it as an Olympic sport. E: OwlFancier posted:British Isles = All islands including the Republic of Ireland. That's its slave name please refer only to the North Atlantic Archipelago in future. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Jun 9, 2017 |
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Jun 9, 2017 17:23
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SpaceDrake posted:Essentially, the DUP want the status quo to be maintained, since it keeps the peace (and keeps them in significant power in NI) and keeps them in the Union. They want to maintain the open Ireland border simply because it's key to the Good Friday agreement actually functioning. Quoting myself but it's worth noting that disruption of the status quo would be bad for a lot of folks; Sinn Fein is also okay with things as they are now, but they would be way less okay with a hard border and NI becoming more part of the UK exclusively (and they're probably already incensed that the hated Ulsterites are becoming part of a ruling coalition). While it wouldn't be easy to reactivate the IRA (it's been a while and the kids these days aren't as radical and didn't dig the violence anyway) some of Sinn Fein might sure try, if the alternative is being cut off from Eire again thanks to the goddamn DUP. Saw that earlier. It is delicious like sweet cream.
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Jun 9, 2017 17:24
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Fans posted:Dennis Skinner just took his seat again. I think Corbyn's gonna be around for a while yet campaigning a GE is really exhausting work, it's a strain even on healthy mid-40s people
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Jun 9, 2017 17:25
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/873162092358111232 It's loving hilarious that after Corbyn the IRA man meeting with shinners the Tories are now negotiating with the UDA's political arm to form a government 
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Jun 9, 2017 17:25
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Explain the jam thing to stupid American? He's lovely.
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Jun 9, 2017 17:25
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ronya posted:it is what the Tories sitting comfortably in London would want, yes Right. That's a weirdass position though. They were in favor of leaving, but apparently want the single market and open borders intact somehow, yet not to such an extent that northern Ireland becomes more economically linked with the republic? That's some very specific and unlikely scenario right there.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Explain the jam thing to stupid American? Corbyn makes his own jam
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Jun 9, 2017 17:26
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TACD posted:add this to the OP please he's switched the axes it doesn't detract from the gradient so it'd be nitpicking to complain really
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Jun 9, 2017 17:26
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Playstation 4 posted:Hi, my name's the IRA and I'm back. good thing the DUP is the political arm of the Ulster Resistance and the Ulster Defence Association then, they can get all their terrorist acts sanctioned by the UK government now. Kinda like they did back in the troubles.
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kzin602 posted:As an American looking in from the outside, what is the subtext of UK vs GB?  a diagram is easier than words
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Jun 9, 2017 17:27
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That DUP woman has the face of one of those tiny face Mitt Romney memes. What the gently caress?
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Jun 9, 2017 17:27
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I mean, I dunno if you're strictly required to be an MP to hold a cabinet position but, uh, that might be a bit difficult.
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Jun 9, 2017 17:29
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The daily mail, of course, is going to somehow equate talking to the IRA as being a bigger sin than actually giving the keys to number ten to the UDA.
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Jun 9, 2017 17:29
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Explain the jam thing to stupid American? You put it on toast and call it Jelly
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Shibawanko posted:Right. it is the story of pretty much all of the white-island-in-a-sea-of-darkest-Africa former empire, so wars have been fought over this, but by TYOOL 2017 nobody has the energy (or the Cold War supply lines) to get up to such ruckus. hence the passive-aggressive approach instead
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Jun 9, 2017 17:30
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Saw someone pointing this out in Guardian comments:quote:What? Am I hallucinating through tiredness? Here’s an extract from May’s speech in front of Number 10:
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Explain the jam thing to stupid American? Jam is good and so is legendary Jam Man Jeremy Corbyn.
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