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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Some mail hacks are under the impression one of the DUP's demands will be an end to investigations into the armed forces and police during the troubles and an increased amount of attention given to the paramilitaries. Take it with a pinch of salt as the same hacks also seem to think that the DUP will demand the hardest of hard Brexits.
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The DUP where never going to ask for a rollback of LGBT rights in the UK. Nor do they care to ask for it. All they want is a protection of their personal fiefdom, they'll want the Tories to refuse to legislate for same sex marriage in the event of direct rule. And really asking a British party to please continue to ignore NI is hardly a massive ask is it kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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Jun 10, 2017 16:21
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Skinty McEdger posted:Some mail hacks are under the impression one of the DUP's demands will be an end to investigations into the armed forces and police during the troubles and an increased amount of attention given to the paramilitaries. Oh they want this a lot. So do a lot of Tory backbenchers. So does the house of commons select defence committee who recommended it, and that's a cross party committee with labour representation (John spellar mind) This is a big issue in NI currently and is going to on the DUPs ask list, though it may be too expensive
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Jun 10, 2017 16:23
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Bacon Terrorist posted:There's a list of DUP demands on twitter somewhere (saw it on the BBC live feed and am phone posting) and they are all about money rather than gay rights or abortion etc, seem reasonable until you get to the final few which are all 'SINN FEIN AND THE REPUBLICANS MUST SUFFER' This one? It's from 2015 but unlikely to have changed much. 
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Jun 10, 2017 16:23
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One of the old hallmarks of authoritarianism is the state using wide, sweeping and widely-unenforceable laws to de facto criminalise large swathes of the population. These laws can then be selectively applied to punish undesirables. But the tories would never do that by introducing an impotent ban on crypto and then only using the laws to punish brown people for using Telegram.
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Jun 10, 2017 16:24
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Sarah Bellum posted:This one? It's from 2015 but unlikely to have changed much. of course there's a specific bullet point about flags, of course there is
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Jun 10, 2017 16:27
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EmptyVessel posted:One of my favourite examples of Discordian wind-up was Robert Anton Wilson sending a Pope card to Ian Paisley Snr. We used to send an old school Labour and Republican friend of ours a picture of one royal or another on his birthday for a giggle. Occasionally we would get it back with a slogan scrawled on it. The papers used to refer to him as 'firebrand socialist' when he was a councillor and his daughter was Corbyn's agent. Sadly he died recently much too young but he would be loving this and I expect still pissed.
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Jun 10, 2017 16:29
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I like the very specific "gently caress SF" bullet point about suspending allowances for parties that don't take their seats. This is fine and won't cause any problems down the road.
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Jun 10, 2017 16:30
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Skinty McEdger posted:Take it with a pinch of salt as the same hacks also seem to think that the DUP will demand the hardest of hard Brexits. I can see it. If they could make the Irish border 'harder' as in limit trade from the papists in the south, it would mean the place would have to rely on the UK more.
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Jun 10, 2017 16:32
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CottonWolf posted:I have not read the text of the Good Friday Agreement, but surely this would be massively against it in spirit, even if not technically breaking it? Apparently this is the bit: https://m.imgur.com/a/j1uLN (why the gently caress is it so difficult to link to photos on Imgur now?)
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Jun 10, 2017 16:34
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If they had to choose between border checks when crossing to GB or a giant 30ft wall around the border theyd probably opt for the wall
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Jun 10, 2017 16:35
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communism bitch posted:One of the old hallmarks of authoritarianism is the state using wide, sweeping and widely-unenforceable laws to de facto criminalise large swathes of the population. These laws can then be selectively applied to punish undesirables. Acaila posted:I hate that I have to ask this, but...what's the Enclosures? This led to a lot of commoners being relatively free of government or feudal interference, and some of them even adopted nomadic lives on large commons, no law against having a house there if it's on wheels. Then the three revolutions happened (Glorious/bourgeois, Agricultural, and Industrial) and a bunch of the land was enclosed and they were unceremoniously kicked off with no compensation and had to find work in the new factories and were treated like poo poo so that private landowners could have a bigger field. This then led to the conditions that a German big beardy man would analyze shortly after.
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Jun 10, 2017 16:36
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knox_harrington posted:Apparently this is the bit: Uh, not really no
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Jun 10, 2017 16:37
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batman, no 
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Jun 10, 2017 16:37
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Sarah Bellum posted:This one? It's from 2015 but unlikely to have changed much. im the constitutional stability and complete reform of the legislature
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Jun 10, 2017 16:40
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Just to remind everyone the conservatives ARE unionists, Theresa May had previously already underscored before this election that when it comes to the constitutional question they are not neutral. The GFA does not demand governmental neutrality on the constitutional question, it demands the government works to protect both communities and acknowledge the consent principle. A deal with the DUP is not explicitly against the GFA but the Tories giving excessive concessions to unionists on contentious issues with nationalists rather than honouring the principle of negotiation would be against the spirit
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Jun 10, 2017 16:41
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Still baffled at the number of people who seem convinced that this election was a disaster for Labour 'They lost!'. It's as if they don't quite get the distinction between tactical and strategic objectives. Corbyn is clearly the victor here. All I can hear is the sound of a thousand goalposts being dragged over the dirt. It's a very similar situation to the immediate post-indyref SNP. Losing the battle won them the war. Maybe not having this in recent memory makes it harder for people down in England to pick up on?
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Jun 10, 2017 16:45
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https://imgur.com/a/E8IRA Donation Done. Congrats Sebzilla!
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Jun 10, 2017 16:45
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So the whole "DUP supported a literal terrorist genocide" is even more  than I thought:
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Jun 10, 2017 16:46
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ThomasPaine posted:Still baffled at the number of people who seem convinced that this election was a disaster for Labour 'They lost!'. It's as if they don't quite get the distinction between tactical and strategic objectives. Corbyn is clearly the victor here. All I can hear is the sound of a thousand goalposts being dragged over the dirt.
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Jun 10, 2017 16:47
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Cast your mind back to 2010 when Cameron negotiated an actual electoral alliance with the UUP and both parties registered themselves as the Conservatives and Unionist - New Force, with the UUP running in NI explicitly in alliance with the Tories
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Jun 10, 2017 16:47
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https://twitter.com/parliawint/status/873567745975226369 hahaha
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Jun 10, 2017 16:50
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Watching a party turn on itself and openly brief against it's leader turns out to be loving hilarious when it's not your party.
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Jun 10, 2017 16:52
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I think it's mostly from foreign posters who don't understand how weak and untenable the government May's attempting to form is. I'm American and it doesn't seem hard to see how 'In such a poo poo position that they're reliant on a crazy ethnoregionalist extremist party to claim even a fig-leaf of a coalition majority' is weak as poo poo.
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Jun 10, 2017 16:53
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 funniest timeline: a few by-elections later, the DUP gets their way on this, Sinn Fein take their seats and trigger PREMIER CORBYN (BACKED BY THEM TERRISTS FOR REALSIES)
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Jun 10, 2017 16:54
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Night10194 posted:I'm American and it doesn't seem hard to see how 'In such a poo poo position that they're reliant on a crazy ethnoregionalist extremist party to claim even a fig-leaf of a coalition majority' is weak as poo poo. you're missing the sense of rabid terror of abandonment that haunts the northen irish unionist
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Jun 10, 2017 16:55
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ThomasPaine posted:Still baffled at the number of people who seem convinced that this election was a disaster for Labour 'They lost!'. It's as if they don't quite get the distinction between tactical and strategic objectives. Corbyn is clearly the victor here. All I can hear is the sound of a thousand goalposts being dragged over the dirt. The people shouting "Labour lost!" are the same ones talking about the Tory's "Big win" over the SNP
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Jun 10, 2017 16:55
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spud posted:I'll donate £100 to the samaritans if Ober deletes his account. I will give a "LotofDrugs" tm coupon to the goon that pays enough to whatever charity to have spud jam at least 3 potatoes [size agree'd upon itt], into each of spuds own holes for the duration of forever.
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Jun 10, 2017 16:57
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TinTower posted:So the whole "DUP supported a literal terrorist genocide" is even more 
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Jun 10, 2017 17:00
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Acaila posted:It may well just be Highland kids. I know forkboy went to school not too far from me so it is a local thing for us. This was already answered but essentially a parallel to the Clearances - the theft by landowning aristos of common land. There's a good book called "Stop, Thief! The Commons, Enclosures, and Resistance" that gives a good overview of the history of this phenomenon around the world. It's pretty cheap on kindle too i think.
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Jun 10, 2017 17:02
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I can't believe he ate the book lol
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Jun 10, 2017 17:04
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Gum posted:The people shouting "Labour lost!" are the same ones talking about the Tory's "Big win" over the SNP Yeah I mean in the general media not on SA. Does reek a bit of desperation.
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Jun 10, 2017 17:06
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TinTower posted:So the whole "DUP supported a literal terrorist genocide" is even more Yeah, but you have to remember the British were still colonial 'drat those savages, kill them all until they like us' to everyone in the world. A family member was tortured and killed back at that time by the Black and Tans, he was coming home from mass and they tortured him, slit his throat and forced his catholic bible down into his neck. If you want to see true bigotry hatred, heres a speech from one of the British Commanders at the time: quote:“If a police barracks is burned or if the barracks already occupied is not suitable, then the best house in the locality is to be commandeered, the occupants thrown into the gutter. Let them die there – the more the merrier.Should the order (“Hands Up”) not be immediately obeyed, shoot and shoot with effect. If the persons approaching (a patrol) carry their hands in their pockets, or are in any way suspicious-looking, shoot them down. You may make mistakes occasionally and innocent persons may be shot, but that cannot be helped, and you are bound to get the right parties some time. The more you shoot, the better I will like you, and I assure you no policeman will get into trouble for shooting any man.”
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Jun 10, 2017 17:07
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bessantj posted:May wearing orange, very prescient. I hope they double down on this attitude rather than figuring it out
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Jun 10, 2017 17:08
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cool justifying terrorism, forums user happy hippy.
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Jun 10, 2017 17:08
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it's a little upsetting that people are actually paying attention to northern ireland for once and it's making us look like monsters
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Jun 10, 2017 17:09
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Tesseraction posted:I can't believe he ate the book lol
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Jun 10, 2017 17:10
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:cool justifying terrorism, forums user happy hippy. Eh? Where.
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Jun 10, 2017 17:12
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Help Im Alive posted:it's a little upsetting that people are actually paying attention to northern ireland for once and it's making us look like monsters Well they're only paying attention to the DUP so what do you expect
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Help Im Alive posted:it's a little upsetting that people are actually paying attention to northern ireland for once and it's making us look like monsters SF must be loving the fact that as it turns out, that when they actually discover they exist, the English hate the DUP.
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