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| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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| Liberal Democrats |
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| UKIP |
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| Plaid Cymru |
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| Green |
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| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Accurate summary of the new reshuffle https://twitter.com/Mr_JDTraynor/status/873917315720642560 June 11th, 1937 - Case of Trotskyist Anti-Soviet Military Organization finishes with the defendants all being executed, except Yan Gamarnik who shot himself rather than face the inevitable torture & forced confessions. The most famous man executed in this trial was Marshall Tukhachevsky. His bloodspattered confession remains in the archives, though sadly since Putin came into power the archives aren't nearly as open to academics as they were during the 90s. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jun 11, 2017 |
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Skinty McEdger posted:I wonder if Trumps new reluctance about a state visit is because someone on Fox news mentioned there was strong opposition to seeing Orangemen in government. Noice
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Jun 11, 2017 17:40
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Why do I feel this GIF will be getting a lot of good use for the next year.
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Jun 11, 2017 17:41
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The only thing that might stabilize this government is the knowledge that rebelling could bring it down and trigger an election that the Tories will lose. It's so weak that they might be afraid of breaking it.
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Jun 11, 2017 17:44
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Id prefer that same-sex marriage in NI was pushed as a human rights necessity rather than a ploy to get one over on the tories, you've got to organize with the majority of parties that support it here who are frozen out of Westminster and left without a voice with the collapse of stormont and form a cross political front on the issue
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kustomkarkommando posted:Id prefer that same-sex marriage in NI was pushed as a human rights necessity rather than a ploy to get one over on the tories, you've got to organize with the majority of parties that support it here who are frozen out of Westminster and left without a voice with the collapse of direct rule and form a cross political front on the issue Couple of NI questions. Who are the parties that support same sex marriage there? What caused the SDLP and UUP collapses?
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Jun 11, 2017 17:47
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Jose posted:definitely saving that  about how big his majority is, and the last thing he retweeted is this:https://twitter.com/2tribesgotojaw/status/873938715571363841 How lucky the people the people of Poole are to have him.
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Jun 11, 2017 17:50
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If WW2 had ended with Fat Man and Little Boy failing to detonate and Japan annexing the west coast, I guess.
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Jun 11, 2017 17:52
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Skinty McEdger posted:Couple of NI questions. Who are the parties that support same sex marriage there? What caused the SDLP and UUP collapses? Sinn Fein, Alliance, Greens, PBP and SDLP all support same sex marriage and the UUP are split on the issue with members being allowed to vote as they wish (with the newest leader saying he would vote against but most importantly not veto it if it passed, which it did do last time it was voted on before the DUP vetoed it). The UUP and SDLP have been collapsing for some time - the SDLP has struggled to define itself after the peace process and the increasing polarization of politics as the DUP and SF feed off each others successes and its pro-life stance alienates progressive voters while its moderate nationalism has struggled to find purchase with a younger generation frustrated with the moribund political process. The UUP has been facing mass voter flight to the DUP after the early bumps in the peace process when the DUP attacked them for being too accommodating on the issue of IRA decommissioning and their recent attempts to position themselves as a more liberal version of Unionism (with the former leader encouraging transfer votes to the SDLP) without ditching their conservative social values didn't really appeal to anyone. kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jun 11, 2017 |
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Jun 11, 2017 17:55
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The Jeremy Paxman interview showed up in my recommended videos, so I'm watching it, and all I can think of is how loving much I want him to shut his loving mouth and let Corbyn answer his questions. This is almost as bad as American "journalists"
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For the record after the last NI Assembly election there is now a clear majority in favour of same sex marriage - if the vote was ran today it would probably cut 55 for / 35 against. The issue is that with 30 votes you can lodge a "petition of concern" that means any bill must secure a majority of all self declared nationalist members of the assembly (easy done) and a majority of all unionists in the assembly (DUP controls the majority so a no go). Previously the DUP could do this easily by themselves but they lost the number of seats needed to do this at the last election. They've got 28 so you'd need 2 people to sign up to the DUP - Jim Allister of the TUV, a party EVEN FURTHER TO THE RIGHT of the DUP, would definitely do it. The UUP have 10 MLAs, 4 will vote in favour - of the remaining 6 the vast majority of them have said they will not sign a petition with only one saying that he would. If that last fucker couldn't be whipped into some sense it would be blocked again. (That is of course if Alliance and the SDLP could sort out their abstentions which where about 8 people combined which would still put you in majority territory) kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Jun 11, 2017 |
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Jun 11, 2017 18:12
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Apraxin posted:Jesus, the only thing in this guy's twitter bio about being an MP is a The people of Poole deserve him.
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Jun 11, 2017 18:15
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that's going to huge lenghts to be a dick to gay couples
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Jun 11, 2017 18:16
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Joda posted:The Jeremy Paxman interview showed up in my recommended videos, so I'm watching it, and all I can think of is how loving much I want him to shut his loving mouth and let Corbyn answer his questions. This is almost as bad as American "journalists" Paxman started to sniff his own farts after the Michael Howard interview became famous. The older he's got, the more he's relied on being a cantankerous twat rather than actually being a political journalist. Sadly, he got away with it because most politicians actually won't answer a straight question in many situations. But if you're interviewing Corbyn, he probably will, unless he utterly disagrees with the pretext of the question.
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Jun 11, 2017 18:16
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Joda posted:The Jeremy Paxman interview showed up in my recommended videos, so I'm watching it, and all I can think of is how loving much I want him to shut his loving mouth and let Corbyn answer his questions. This is almost as bad as American "journalists" It was awful, but tbh I think it came over pretty well: Paxman's considered both an upstanding, highbrow journalist and a vicious attack dog, and Corbyn came out of that making the interviewer look like a boorish oaf. That's like having a salesman knock on your door and you selling them a nice tea towel and a set of tupperware. Compare Tim Farron on Andrew Neil: same basic interview style (repeated interruptions, ignoring answers, general rudeness) from a generally more oafish presenter, but without that CorbynTM-brand sincerity & charisma he just looked like a sniveling
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Jun 11, 2017 18:19
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So what about the guy on Question Time stating austerity definitely HAS NOT happened then, eh?
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Jun 11, 2017 18:19
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Interesting stuff here: https://twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/873944017523945472
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Jun 11, 2017 18:19
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dispatch_async posted:Interesting stuff here: Phew, lucky the Tories didn't gain any ground from the SNP, that'd be a disaster
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Jun 11, 2017 18:23
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dispatch_async posted:Interesting stuff here: she went full hillary
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Jun 11, 2017 18:25
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So Theresa May wants to lead the Brexit negotiations and yet it's going to take her a week to negotiate a simply agreement with a party that broadly agrees with her.
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Jun 11, 2017 18:29
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Ugh, Read the bread book!
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Jun 11, 2017 18:32
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Borrovan posted:Phew, lucky the Tories didn't gain any ground from the SNP, that'd be a disaster Not much of the SNPs movement really shows up on that UK-wide (GB-wide?) graph due to the SNP just standing in a tenth of the seats, but the Ashcroft poll (big pdf here) has, of the GE2015 SNP voters, 80% staying with SNP, 12% going Labour, 6% Tory and 2% Lib Dem. Haven't seen any Scotland-specific crosstabs yet to go into this further but theories I've seen floated in the thread so far for this not explaining the full SNP -> Tory shift is a) '15 SNP voters being less motivated to vote in the first place because of a pretty dull SNP campaign, leading to less votes overall and b) Labour voters switching to the Conservatives at the same time (likely those very concerned with stopping indyref2), making the SNP -> Lab and Lab -> Tory look like a simple SNP -> Tory in the overall figures.
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dispatch_async posted:Interesting stuff here: Mainly that lynton Crosby didn't get the blame
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Is she stubbornly clinging on because she's just that bloody-minded, or is it more a case that her resigning now would make a bad situation apocalyptic so she's just sort of going through the motions? It feels weird to see her doing a cabinet reshuffle when Tory MPs are on TV openly saying she needs to step down and that the backbenchers will basically force her to if she doesn't convince them in this meeting tomorrow.
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Jun 11, 2017 18:39
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Can someone explain what Corbs said on Marr? He said they'd amend the Queen's Speech to include key bits of their manifesto, but if the amendment passes the tories still form the government, correct? So it's basically a political play to make the tories and whoever votes for the Queen's Speech to vote down their popular policies?
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Kreez posted:Voting registration question that I'd be grateful if anyone could answer. Asking for "a friend" of course. I'm not sure on this, but I think the key word is "resident" (to register to vote in the normal way in the UK). But as residence in the UK seems to be an informal affair involving gas bills I feel like one could get away with things in a way that may or may not be against the spirit of the rules and/or fraud.
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Jun 11, 2017 18:46
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The Mail reported that she wanted to resign but was told in no uncertain terms by the senior Tories she was going nowhere. They're having a tough enough time trying to get through a Queens speech as it is, with a leadership battle going on it would be even worse. Realistically the reshuffle today was an attempt to appear to be doing anything but in truth she doesn't have the capital to alienate anyone. The only thing she achieved was getting Green in, who is a long term ally, but looking at the rest of the cabinet it's filled with people who want her job or who are already tarnished by association. And that's one of the big problems for the Tories now. They need to get some new blood in who aren't tarnished, but May doesn't have the capital to be able to do so. All of the moves against her advisors were a frantic attempt to try and shift the blame away from her ministers but all of them have that same scent of failure to them. The only two who perhaps have a better image now than at the start of the election are Hammond, because of all the gossip about May trying to sideline him during the campaign, and Rudd who has a sympathy bump.
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Miftan posted:Can someone explain what Corbs said on Marr? He said they'd amend the Queen's Speech to include key bits of their manifesto, but if the amendment passes the tories still form the government, correct? So it's basically a political play to make the tories and whoever votes for the Queen's Speech to vote down their popular policies? correct me if I'm wrong but the DUP are only far right on social issues and were actually against most of the Tories' economic policy so he might be able to get some decent stuff into the Queen's speech if they vote for it?
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Jun 11, 2017 18:49
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Miftan posted:Can someone explain what Corbs said on Marr? He said they'd amend the Queen's Speech to include key bits of their manifesto, but if the amendment passes the tories still form the government, correct? So it's basically a political play to make the tories and whoever votes for the Queen's Speech to vote down their popular policies? He's basically saying that's how he would form a minority government - by trying to work across party lines to get at least some of his obviously very popular policies into the speech and hope some Tories support it. I think realistically it would never happen, but the Tories are in such a shambles now, and May so despised by huge swathes of the party, he has nothing to lose by taking that position. It puts more pressure on May to step aside because Labour are there waiting to capitalise on the absolute mess she's made.
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Miftan posted:Can someone explain what Corbs said on Marr? He said they'd amend the Queen's Speech to include key bits of their manifesto, but if the amendment passes the tories still form the government, correct? So it's basically a political play to make the tories and whoever votes for the Queen's Speech to vote down their popular policies? I'm assuming he'll force an amendment on given EU citizens permanent residency in the hopes it shatters the tories and reversing some of the cuts the DUP oppose to force them to split off.
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Baron Corbyn posted:correct me if I'm wrong but the DUP are only far right on social issues and were actually against most of the Tories' economic policy so he might be able to get some decent stuff into the Queen's speech if they vote for it? I think it'd be a stretch to expect the DUP to do anything that would benefit Jeremy Corbyn.
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Apraxin posted:Jesus, the only thing in this guy's twitter bio about being an MP is a Thats my mp and I regularly call him a poo poo
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Andrea Leadsom is now the leader of the house
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The year is 2018. It has been twelve months since Britain has had a government, since no-one wants to touch the radioactive hot potato that is Brexit. Hundreds of miles away, in an office in Brussels, Michel Barnier sits at a desk, idly drumming his fingers. Outside, a flock of starlings swoops past.
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Miftan posted:Can someone explain what Corbs said on Marr? He said they'd amend the Queen's Speech to include key bits of their manifesto, but if the amendment passes the tories still form the government, correct? So it's basically a political play to make the tories and whoever votes for the Queen's Speech to vote down their popular policies? The Opposition always tries to amend the Queens speech, previous convention was that if the speech was amended it would be considered a loss of confidence (usually the opposition would specifically try to amend the speech to say the house had no confidence in the government) - though the Fixed Term Parliament Act has now defined precisely what no confidence means so you'd have to follow the wording outlined in it rather than secure a simple amendment on one issue. It's a test and if a single amendment passes May will absolutely be expected to resign
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Jose posted:Mainly that lynton Crosby didn't get the blame The Crosby/Timothy battle behind the scenes is fascinating, because clearly it appears like Crosby has won, but a huge amount of the criticisms of the campaign in the right wing press is of tactics that have Crosby's finger prints all over it. Crosby apparently took control about two weeks out, which you can clearly see with the shift in tone to all IRA all the time, but that was as ineffective as anything else. If Crosby does have more control next election then expect it to be all negative all the time, and as previous campaign directors have pointed out you can't do that without something aspirational to balance it out. Long term Crosby winning could be bad for the Tories, particularly if they fail to bring in someone with new ideas.
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Spoke to a 20 year old lad at work today who voted Tory. He said of he was 18 he would have voted Labour for the free tuition, but as he's already been at uni 2 years there was no point 
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