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InequalityGodzilla
May 31, 2012

SMP posted:

Superman has his roots in being a hero for the working class / socialist.

e:


http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/helen-lewis-hasteley/2011/07/superheroes-superman-graphic
Wasn't there some alternate history comic where he landed in the Soviet Union instead of Kansas and become the communist ubermensch?

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

InequalityGodzilla posted:

Wasn't there some alternate history comic where he landed in the Soviet Union instead of Kansas and become the communist ubermensch?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Red_Son

Serf
May 5, 2011


Gorn Myson posted:

All of them except the Marvel movie heroes that I like.

Tony Stark is a communist imo.

china mieville's rejected iron man pitch

gee, i wonder why marvel rejected it

SMP
May 5, 2009

InequalityGodzilla posted:

Wasn't there some alternate history comic where he landed in the Soviet Union instead of Kansas and become the communist ubermensch?

It's been a while since I read it but I seem to recall it being pretty pro-capitalist and ends with Lex Luthor owning Superman with logic.

yoober
Nov 21, 2010

Phobophilia posted:



rowling isn't an ally, but she isn't an outright opponent.

actually she has a billion dollars so she is an opponent

SMP
May 5, 2009

Given what her books have done to generations of liberals and her endorsement of lib dems over Corbyn, I'm inclined to say that yes, she is an opponent.

Breadallelogram
Oct 9, 2012


Dimebags Brain posted:

Matt got drunk and gave a great speech on Periscope.

just catching up on the thread and this is very very good, thanks for posting it here

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

Phobophilia posted:

remember the rl stephens interview where problematic people are still useful as part of the movement. rowling can still be reached with a class message

This x1,000,000

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

InequalityGodzilla posted:

I'd argue that your username-sake is also a good example of fantasy not being trash. Pratchett commented on plenty of social issues in his writing.

:ssh: I realized this as I was typing that post lol

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


I mean, it would be nice to think that, but she's a loving billionaire. How do you reach someone like that with a class message?

Martian Manfucker
Dec 27, 2012

misandry is real

CortezFantastic posted:

Not a book but I found this Richard Wolff speech to be really illuminating. Really good for people not too deep into leftism to grasp and understand concepts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4&t=2s

drat that's a pro click. gonna be forwarding this to liberals I argue with since he does a way better job explaining it than I could ever do.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
no billionaire, no matter how nice you think they are or how much you enjoy the books they wrote, is ever going to help get us to where we need to be. some amount of expropriation is going to have to take place and they will not voluntarily surrender their vast wealth and the power that comes with it.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan
Did she every succinctly state WHY she hates Corbyn? I never saw it if she did.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


If Rowling was using her billions to support labor and leftist organizations (and not just cutting the odd check now and then, like really supporting in proportion with her wealth and influence) I'd probably feel different. But lol at any rich person ever paying more than lip service to stuff that helps others at their expense.

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010
Rl's interview is very much about reaching out to everyone in your shop floor and community, and not about getting the billionaire wizard lady to lead the revolution. You can't reach her with a class message. She isn't in your class.

InequalityGodzilla
May 31, 2012

Crazycryodude posted:

I mean, it would be nice to think that, but she's a loving billionaire. How do you reach someone like that with a class message?

I've found that a guillotine is a very effective way of delivering a stern message about class differences between the rich and the poor.

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010
imagine using your brain so little that you have enough mental energy left over to care about the politics of a lady who wrote a book about wizards 15 years ago

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010
im glad the dumb rear end posters in this thread got to the bottom of the important issues and decided that JK Rowling = Voldemort from the movies and the writers of old superman comics = Khaleesi from the TV show

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
All of these leftists complaining about billionaires seem to forget that Soros signs your checks.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Moist von Lipwig posted:

Did she every succinctly state WHY she hates Corbyn? I never saw it if she did.

he was a RADICAL TEARING LABOUR APART (by winning multiple times with a landslide). Basically typical centrist 'oh my god by saying stuff and FORCING me to say I don't agree and then somehow acting like I'M wrong you're basically doing a civil war'.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

papa horny michael posted:

All of these leftists complaining about billionaires seem to forget that Soros signs your checks.

he stiffed me.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
From 1952:



little munchkin posted:

imagine using your brain so little that you have enough mental energy left over to care about the politics of a lady who wrote a book about wizards 15 years ago

harry potter appears to be the atlas shrugged of american liberalism so

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

little munchkin posted:

imagine using your brain so little that you have enough mental energy left over to care about the politics of a lady who wrote a book about wizards 15 years ago

This is like 20% of people at least.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

sexpig by night posted:

he was a RADICAL TEARING LABOUR APART (by winning multiple times with a landslide). Basically typical centrist 'oh my god by saying stuff and FORCING me to say I don't agree and then somehow acting like I'M wrong you're basically doing a civil war'.

Oh well gently caress that poo poo. If she doesn't do an about face after this election than lmao

Big Coffin Hunter
Aug 13, 2005

little munchkin posted:

imagine using your brain so little that you have enough mental energy left over to care about the politics of a lady who wrote a book about wizards 15 years ago

good news, this is the majority of the population and we need to win them over

apropos of nothing i stand in solidarity with juggalos

CARL MARK FORCE IV
Sep 2, 2007

I took a walk. And threw up in an English garden.

Big Coffin Hunter posted:


apropos of nothing i stand in solidarity with juggalos

Solidarity with Juggalos in our mutual quest for a just, equitable flat earth.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan
My home town is like the only place in Canada I've ever seen juggalos but they're good people at heart.

Pharmaskittle
Dec 17, 2007

arf arf put the money in the fuckin bag

I've only known two juggalos personally and they were some of the dumbest most racist people I've ever known, but if we can turn them into commie cannon fodder or whatever, ok

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Serf posted:

china mieville's rejected iron man pitch

gee, i wonder why marvel rejected it
Whenever I see Iron Man in a Marvel movie, I'm genuinely baffled as to how anyone can see him as the good guy.

Crazycryodude posted:

Captain America is a New Deal Democrat who grew up poor in Brooklyn during the Depression and literally punched Nazis. If we're being realistic he's probably the most lefty of the bunch.
The weird thing is that he turned into a crazy-as-gently caress sovcit libertard in the movies, but people see it as progressive because he's ambiguously gay.

Pharmaskittle posted:

I've only known two juggalos personally and they were some of the dumbest most racist people I've ever known, but if we can turn them into commie cannon fodder or whatever, ok
Juggalos exist so that liberals can mock the poor and feel good about it.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Halloween Jack posted:

Whenever I see Iron Man in a Marvel movie, I'm genuinely baffled as to how anyone can see him as the good guy.

he furthers the harmful idea of the benevolent billionaire, but he's funny so people like him

he's also not wrong in his desire to put superhumans under the control of a governing body so there's that

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

Tony Stark probably held fundraisers for Clinton in 2008 and 2016.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Serf posted:

he furthers the harmful idea of the benevolent billionaire, but he's funny so people like him

he's also not wrong in his desire to put superhumans under the control of a governing body so there's that
In fact he makes it very clear that he just wants a veneer of legitimacy so he can keep doing the exact same thing. He's the perfect liberal billionaire.

Honestly the MCU is pretty liberalism.txt in that the audience is told that it's a meaningful conflict, then constantly encouraged to see everything in terms of conflicting personalities, because the underlying issues are so absurd.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Halloween Jack posted:

In fact he makes it very clear that he just wants a veneer of legitimacy so he can keep doing the exact same thing. He's the perfect liberal billionaire.

Honestly the MCU is pretty liberalism.txt in that the audience is told that it's a meaningful conflict, then constantly encouraged to see everything in terms of conflicting personalities, because the underlying issues are so absurd.

he totally wants to just shift the blame over to someone else when they inevitably get innocent people killed

he's really just one step away from the only logical course of action

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
super hero's

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Serf posted:

he totally wants to just shift the blame over to someone else when they inevitably get innocent people killed

he's really just one step away from the only logical course of action



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjgDSgxT0lk

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
The GCC episode is excellent.

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010

Pharmaskittle posted:

I've only known two juggalos personally and they were some of the dumbest most racist people I've ever known, but if we can turn them into commie cannon fodder or whatever, ok

cool juggalo fact: ICP started referring to their fans and "ninjas" in order to get them to stop using the n-word so much

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010
shut the gently caress up about pop culture poo poo you people are just as embarrassing as everyone you make fun of

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prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

little munchkin posted:

cool juggalo fact: ICP started referring to their fans and "ninjas" in order to get them to stop using the n-word so much

That sounds like the band might have their hearts in the right place, at least.

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