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God forbid that someone would blame the director for poor action scenes in a movie they directed.Wandle Cax posted:But no, a director known for small scale drama films was not chosen for her expertise in fight choreography and action scenes for this $200 whatever million film! That seems like a miscalculation, to be honest.
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Wandle Cax posted:Yeah i'm sure she had an input but I mean she literally would not have staged choreographed and directed the action scenes Wandle Cax posted:this $200 whatever million film! I posted behind-the-scenes footage of her directing some of the action scenes and the production budget was $149 million, you're making a lot of dumb assumptions and getting really worked up about this film for some weird reason.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I posted behind-the-scenes footage of her directing some of the action scenes and the production budget was $149 million, you're making a lot of dumb assumptions and getting really worked up about this film for some weird reason. Whoa buddy calm down there. Of course she was directing such pivotal scenes involving key character moments and things like that, she is the director of the film. All I am saying which I did not think would cause such a meltdown is that director is not solely responsible for staging and filming all action scenes in a film like this which apparently is not common knowledge, and that a statement like i guess the action in this movie sucks because Jenkins is not proficient at directing action is a bit simplistic.
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Jun 12, 2017 11:36
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I'ts not 'common knowledge' because you're wrong.
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Wandle Cax posted:Whoa buddy calm down there. Of course she was directing such pivotal scenes involving key character moments and things like that, she is the director of the film. All I am saying which I did not think would cause such a meltdown is that director is not solely responsible for staging and filming all action scenes in a film like this which apparently is not common knowledge, and that a statement like i guess the action in this movie sucks because Jenkins is not proficient at directing action is a bit simplistic. well why not posted:Directors direct everyone, including the second unit directors. They're still responsible for everything filmed, ultimately.
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Jun 12, 2017 11:59
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I think what's throwing people off here is the concept that directors are not necessarily choreographers. They direct choreography, but that's just a small part of what creating an action setpiece entails, or else why would you even hire choreographers at all? That being said...accounts from the cast, combined with video footage, would suggest that Jenkins was in fact pretty hands-on and involved and engaged in the process of creating action scenes.  But even still, even seeing those screenshots and gifs?...without actually being on set to observe the process, it's still hard to say just how much of those kinds of scenes a film owes directly to the director and not to the other hands in the pot. Not that it ultimately matters, methinks, since the action in WW was generally pretty great. 
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BrianWilly posted:Not that it ultimately matters, methinks, since the action in WW was generally pretty great. Agreed.  
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It's passable, but way below the high standard set by Snyder. It doesn't have the same force and impact, which is rather ironic for a movie about one of the most destructive conflicts in human history. Even the set-pieces are really unambitious.
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Jun 12, 2017 12:23
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:high standard set by Snyder. loving lol.
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Jun 12, 2017 12:24
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Well yeah, she's hands on in making the action scenes, like I said. But she most likely didn't personally direct every action scene filmed. I could be wrong, but I'll have to read her say that she did such a thing. Like I said, it's very rare. Only a handful of directors do it, and usually they have a good visual stamp and want to keep it up. It's not a good thing or a bad thing. It's just a thing.
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Steve2911 posted:loving lol. hate it or love it, the guy is almost peerless at action directing. Movies would look very different if it wasn't for 300, Watchmen, Suckerpunch etc.
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well why not posted:hate it or love it, the guy is almost peerless at action directing. Movies would look very different if it wasn't for 300, Watchmen, Suckerpunch etc. pre-empting the judakel post: yeah they'd look a lot better am i right fellas???
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BrianWilly posted:
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well why not posted:hate it or love it, the guy is almost peerless at action directing. Movies would look very different if it wasn't for 300, Watchmen, Suckerpunch etc. He did not originate that kind of highly stylized action. I'd argue his synthesis of styles can be traced back to The Matrix, if not further for individual aspects.
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ungulateman posted:pre-empting the judakel post: yeah they'd look a lot better am i right fellas??? Well... Yes.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Agreed. I thought the action was great. Most of the action seemed like pretty standard fare. Quick cuts as the hits land with a few long shots to emphasize a particularly elaborate move. It's basically what we see in most action movies that aren't centred around elaborate fight/stunt choreography.
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Jun 12, 2017 14:24
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Do they ever explain why a demigoddess would be flat as a surfboard? I assume that's like...the central mystery of the story.
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Jun 12, 2017 14:44
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I'm assuming you're talking about Gal Gadot's boobs. Aside from being a pretty creepy thing to say, she's not particularly flat-chested. Unless you're comparing her to how, like, Frank Cho draws Wonder Woman, but his style is almost entirely cheesecake.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:Do they ever explain why a demigoddess would be flat as a surfboard? I assume that's like...the central mystery of the story. WTF? She looks completely normal. Maxim pics  
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Charlz Guybon posted:WTF? She looks completely normal. Uh, sorry dude, but she's less than a D-cup so she isn't a REAL female superhero!!! Sorry, I don't make the rules 
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Jun 12, 2017 15:00
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Here's how Frank Cho thinks Wonder Woman should look: So, I guess if she's not that particular confluence of cheesecake and beefcake she's not really Wonder Woman?
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Jun 12, 2017 15:07
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Something tells me posting your stash of titty pics isn't owning the original dummy.
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Phylodox posted:Most of the action seemed like pretty standard fare. Quick cuts as the hits land with a few long shots to emphasize a particularly elaborate move. It's basically what we see in most action movies that aren't centred around elaborate fight/stunt choreography. Ive seen it twice now and ww grabbing the k98(?) rifle from one dude, knocing him the gently caress out and then blocking bullets and back handing another guy right before breaking it against her back 
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poptart_fairy posted:Something tells me posting your stash of titty pics isn't owning the original dummy. Dont interrupt people when they are owning themselves. -Sun tzu
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It mostly avoided that loving terrible sliding stutter step movement that looks so weird and weightless whenever superman moves fast over a short distance, up until the end at least. The action would probably have looked great if every goofy flip hadn't been in slomo. The first time she deflected a bullet in slowmo was great. By the end I never needed another.
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Jun 12, 2017 15:38
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I thought the slowmo backflips were cool, but there's maybe one or two too many. I also think that CGI jumping has to go in general, with the Captain America movies being the worst offenders of this by far. The running leap that suddenly launches someone 20 metres (via digitally-erased wires) just never works for me. It's always floaty and odd looking.
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ShineDog posted:It mostly avoided that loving terrible sliding stutter step movement that looks so weird and weightless whenever superman moves fast over a short distance, up until the end at least. The superspeed is MoS and BvS is loving awesome, get out of here. 
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Jun 12, 2017 15:57
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I can forgive WW doing all those things because literal Demi-Goddess. 
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ShineDog posted:It mostly avoided that loving terrible sliding stutter step movement that looks so weird and weightless whenever superman moves fast over a short distance, up until the end at least. When Faora did this in MoS to that group of soldiers, it was loving awesome.
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Drifter posted:The superspeed is MoS and BvS is loving awesome, get out of here. 
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teagone posted:When Faora did this in MoS to that group of soldiers, it was loving awesome.  fuk yea
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The third girl from the bottom knows what's up.
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ungulateman posted:pre-empting the judakel post: yeah they'd look a lot better am i right fellas??? I mean, they would. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Drifter posted:The superspeed is MoS and BvS is loving awesome, get out of here. It is not very good. It's the worst action Snyder has ever done. Also Wonder Woman's action scenes are great because what those scenes are about is great. So you can divorce it from context and study them, but that would take away the main reason why that scene rules. That No Mans Land scene is pure visual storytelling, just how a good action scene should be.
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I can't imagine watching Man of Steel and thinking any of the action is bad. It looks good even when it's a lovely GIF.
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Regarding 2nd Unit directors, my understanding is that they're primarily for "non-principal" photography- i.e., photography not involving the principal actors. This includes stunts sometimes, but it's primarily about being efficient- being able to prep and shoot some scenes at the same time the main unit is shooting scenes with the cast. Anyway the No Man's Land sequence was quite good- you get an excellent sense of what Diana is capable of, particularly when she starts using the lasso.
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SleepCousinDeath posted:I can't imagine watching Man of Steel and thinking any of the action is bad. It looks good even when it's a lovely GIF. Yeah sorry, if this is bad action and the worst Snyder has done it says some awful poo poo about the current state of comic book movies, because it is among the best of the current bunch. And while I get the point about context, I think we can hope for well shot and executed scenes that are also telling good stories (which I believe the Snyder scenes are but I guess ymmv)
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Wonder Woman had good action, and a few of the bits were really inspired - I particularly liked the flying knee through the wall and onto the roof, and the time they didn't even show her beating a guy but just had half the building unceremoniously collapse. However, MoS's Kryptonian fights represent the pinnacle of cinematic superhero action combat and I fear we'll never see their like again.
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It's too much. It's a visual nightmare of CGI. I can't stand it. Wonder Woman was a tad bit better because I actually like Wonder Woman and all the characters. So as boring as the big CGI nightmare at the end of that was, I gave a little bit of a crap about it.
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What? We're talking about Man of Steel, not Transformers. You can always see who's doing what or where they've been sent flying or whatnot.
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