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Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Terror Sweat posted:

unfortunately the tree has spent too long being bent and has grown too big and stiff to bend back. the only thing you can do is pull it out from the roots

WILLOWS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. GOODNIGHT.

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Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

zegermans posted:

Twitter in general is a pile of poo poo for political discourse and should be shut down. This thread is in fact a better platform for arguing about poo poo, and it sucks!

well yeah, twitter is the worst platform for everything except for breaking news updates

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Crowsbeak posted:

I thought he was a progressive?

this is a very recent development in the history of Ro Khanna

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Vox Nihili posted:

well yeah, twitter is the worst platform for everything except for breaking news updates

its there to shitpost at talking heads, a job it does better than anything else

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Vox Nihili posted:

well yeah, twitter is the worst platform for everything except for breaking news updates

those reports are like always wrong though

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Crowsbeak posted:

I thought he was a progressive?

he tried to primary my congressman from the right in 2014 and failed, then tried from the left in 2016 and succeeded. he got a lot of tech and finance bux to replace a successful, long-serving progressive congressman

my hope is that he will just keep faking it until hes indistinguishable from an actual progressive. hes basically still in the process of inventing himself politically

Vox Nihili has issued a correction as of 17:17 on Jun 12, 2017

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

zegermans posted:

those reports are like always wrong though

nah, you just need to follow the right sources. it can actually be pretty helpful. it was definitely the top way to get up to the minute info for, e.g., predictit gambling (short of having insider info)

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

gonna own when the leftist west is in a cold war with hard right eastern europe

Zeta Taskforce
Jun 27, 2002

Terror Sweat posted:

unfortunately the tree has spent too long being bent and has grown too big and stiff to bend back. the only thing you can do is pull it out from the roots

zegermans posted:

WILLOWS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. GOODNIGHT.

The way willows work is they appear big and strong until one day the suddenly crack in half and you realize that the core had been rotting for years. Take whatever lesson you want from that.

Terror Sweat
Mar 15, 2009

zegermans posted:

WILLOWS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. GOODNIGHT.

willows are lame

I Am A Robot
Jul 1, 2006

Zeta Taskforce posted:

The way willows work is they appear big and strong until one day the suddenly crack in half and you realize that the core had been rotting for years. Take whatever lesson you want from that.

:tif: Bern it all down :tif:

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Vox Nihili posted:

he tried to primary my congressman from the right in 2014 and failed, then tried from the left in 2016 and succeeded. he got a lot of tech and finance bux to replace a successful, long-serving progressive congressman

my hope is that he will just keep faking it until hes indistinguishable from an actual progressive. hes basically still in the process of inventing himself politically

yup http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2014/10/15/ca17-khanna-mailer-honda-letter-create-buzz/

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008


TFW you throw out an internment camp survivor, former public school teacher, and lifelong public transit advocate (who literally procured the funds that make our local system work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Honda#Major_appropriations) for a tech bro

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Vox Nihili posted:

TFW you throw out an internment camp survivor, former public school teacher, and lifelong public transit advocate (who literally procured the funds that make our local system work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Honda#Major_appropriations) for a tech bro

ro khanna is the worst

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Joementum posted:

just makes it easier for the right to take over next time when you kill enthusiasm with technocracy

https://twitter.com/ReelPolitcast/status/874284987318767618

low-turnout low-engagement elections that are won by centrist technocrat types is kind of the best possible outcome for the washington consensus type of government. it was of course perfected in the US and to a lesser extent the UK and only recently went slightly awry in electing trump so prepare for 1000 takes in the nyt and wapo editorial pages about how france has just joined germany as the last bastions of western government

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Shear Modulus posted:

low-turnout low-engagement elections that are won by centrist technocrat types is kind of the best possible outcome for the washington consensus type of government. it was of course perfected in the US and to a lesser extent the UK and only recently went slightly awry in electing trump so prepare for 1000 takes in the nyt and wapo editorial pages about how france has just joined germany as the last bastions of western government

german elections actually have high turnout though (>70%)

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

modems no problems

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Agean90 posted:

its there to shitpost at talking heads, a job it does better than anything else

Posting flippant zingers at people who sniff their own farts is cool and extremely good

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015

Nonsense posted:

modems no problems

lol @ Bayrou becoming relevant by hanging to Macron's coattails.

Also the french election is a really annoying tale of the french left's inability to coordinate for more than a few months. France Insoumise vote share in a lot of places would have given them very close to the vote tallies needed to win first rounds, and in most of those they're not even making the runoffs because they ran like 4-5 candidates against each other instead.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Vox Nihili posted:

german elections actually have high turnout though (>70%)

i guess germans are just super enthusiastic to vote for bankers and technocrats

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

Zeta Taskforce posted:

The way willows work is they appear big and strong until one day the suddenly crack in half and you realize that the core had been rotting for years. Take whatever lesson you want from that.

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
Willow would've won

Now say that 10 times fast.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



if hillary was running in a german election she would have gotten 450 electoral votes

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Agnosticnixie posted:

lol @ Bayrou becoming relevant by hanging to Macron's coattails.

Also the french election is a really annoying tale of the french left's inability to coordinate for more than a few months. France Insoumise vote share in a lot of places would have given them very close to the vote tallies needed to win first rounds, and in most of those they're not even making the runoffs because they ran like 4-5 candidates against each other instead.

the socialist party also successfully scuttled itself into political death to punish their voters for voting for hamon, so that's cool

Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

Ro Khanna unseated Mike Honda using gobs of Silicon Valley money. I mean, it'd be nice if people like he and Kristen Gillibrand suddenly grew a conscience and/or saw where the wind was blowing, but then I remember that Gavin Newsom was once married to Kim Guilfoyle.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Shear Modulus posted:

i guess germans are just super enthusiastic to vote for bankers and technocrats

well their society is operating pretty nicely so the status quo doesnt look nearly as lovely there as it does here

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Shear Modulus posted:

i guess germans are just super enthusiastic to vote for bankers and technocrats

Generally germanys economic planning and social systems have been working out well for them so aren't really a hotbed of resentment like other western democracies. Remember Germany already has tuition free schools and college.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



the trick with germany is they are sticking with the old-style system where the immiseration and rent extraction is outsourced to other countries

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Shear Modulus posted:

the trick with germany is they are sticking with the old-style system where the immiseration and rent extraction is outsourced to other countries

Yeah was about to post this. Centers of imperialism naturally tend towards conservative dominance in politics.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Shear Modulus posted:

the trick with germany is they are sticking with the old-style system where the immiseration and rent extraction is outsourced to other countries

That more has to do with the euro currency system being fundamentally flawed (though it's perpetuated by Germany having no issue with the status quo) which results in nations whose economies fall apart having huge snowball issues. I don't really know what the current political trends are in Germany but Austria recently elected a loving green party member president so lol

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Shear Modulus posted:

the trick with germany is they are sticking with the old-style system where the immiseration and rent extraction is outsourced to other countries


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Yeah was about to post this. Centers of imperialism naturally tend towards conservative dominance in politics.

This excellent Max Streeck essay in the LRB describes that aspect of German political economy at length.

I would post excerpts but I'm still recovering from the Pens Stanley Cup win so someone else will have to do it.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

Joementum posted:

this is a very recent development in the history of Ro Khanna

Silicon Valley entrepreneurs are well known for fulfilling promises

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax
lol at electing some silicon valley billionaire and expecting him to fight for the poor

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

paranoid randroid posted:

Silicon Valley entrepreneurs are well known for fulfilling promises

the juicero of progressives

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

Concerned Citizen posted:

the juicero of progressives

lol

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

In some ways, it's actually good that we're seeing political opportunists disguise themselves as progressives, because they wouldn't be bothering if they didn't think there was something to gain in appealing to progressive ideas.

Doesn't make them good, but it's a good sign.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
A great example of how individual Germans at least view workers rights is that when Wal-mart tried to expand into Germany they were partially ran out of business because German shoppers hated how much walmart demeaned it's own employee's.

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme
in ro's case, it's blatantly because he knows the only possible threat to him in that district is a challenge from another democrat, and he thinks by hugging bernie he neutralizes that threat

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Concerned Citizen posted:

the juicero of progressives

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Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Concerned Citizen posted:

in ro's case, it's blatantly because he knows the only possible threat to him in that district is a challenge from another democrat, and he thinks by hugging bernie he neutralizes that threat

and if he keeps it up, hes right

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