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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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My redundancy package is way better lol.
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They can keep her, chuck her, call an election or cling on for dear life: the glory of what's happening right now is that, for the Tories, there are no winning moves left and every single remaining option is going to make them look even less strong and stable. As Napoleon said: "never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake". Get comfy and watch the Tories learn, the hard way, that there is indeed such a thing as a zero-sum game.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:05
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The toothless political commentary of smug liberal comedians is almost worse for me than the actual political trainwrecks they're joking about. It is genuinely grating.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:05
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Well, I can safely say boomers are indeed butt hurt. I have just been thrown out of my home. Well.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:06
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I like it.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:06
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Ludicro posted:Well, I can safely say boomers are indeed butt hurt. I have just been thrown out of my home. poo poo man. Got somewhere to crash?
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Jun 12, 2017 18:07
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Thanks Ants posted:Surely it's just a cashflow problem? The Clintons were "dead broke" after Bill got out of the presidency too.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:07
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communism bitch posted:I like it. Pretty patronising from the interviewer though - "wow, you're telling me that you young people can tell when people are bullshitting them?"
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Jun 12, 2017 18:09
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I want my meme prime minister
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Jun 12, 2017 18:10
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Payndz posted:The Primeme Minister. Prime Meme-ister.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:10
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Ludicro posted:Well, I can safely say boomers are indeed butt hurt. I have just been thrown out of my home. Is this a revenge eviction?
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Jun 12, 2017 18:12
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Ludicro posted:Well, I can safely say boomers are indeed butt hurt. I have just been thrown out of my home. For voting Labour?
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Jun 12, 2017 18:13
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Obliterati posted:They can keep her, chuck here, call an election or cling on to dear life: the glory of what's happening right now is that, for the Tories, there are no winning moves left and every single remaining option is going to make them look even less strong and stable. As Napoleon said: "never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake". Get comfy and watch the Tories learn, the hard way, that there is indeed such a thing as a zero-sum game. Pfft the clear winning move is to back down from forming a minority government, allow corbyn to become pm, get may to resign, abstain on the humble address to let his government go through "in the national interest" but then launch a coordinated obstructionist programme to cripple all legislation and continually deny a vote to dissolve parliament until labour crumbles to a compromise across the aisle position on one or two bits of legislation to get anything passed at all and then field a no confidence motion as the complex supply and confidence arrangement start fraying. 
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Jun 12, 2017 18:14
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See they're rolling with the new mindless rhetoric. Out with Strong and Stable, in with Get On With The Job. Christ, anyone else getting Hot Fuzz "Greater Good" vibes? I suppose a hooded cabal is a fitting mental image for the Tories.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:15
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The trick there of course being to allow the right wing of the party to push for watered down versions of campaign promises that will pass an obstructionist voting bloc of semi coordinated Tory + DUP and enrage those who came out for corbyn
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Jun 12, 2017 18:16
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kustomkarkommando posted:Pfft the clear winning move is to back down from forming a minority government, allow corbyn to become pm, get may to resign, abstain on the humble address to let his government go through "in the national interest" but then launch a coordinated obstructionist programme to cripple all legislation and continually deny a vote to dissolve parliament until labour crumbles to a compromise across the aisle position on one or two bits of legislation to get anything passed at all and then field a no confidence motion as the complex supply and confidence arrangement start fraying. i don't think right wingers understand the concept of giving up power willingly
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Jun 12, 2017 18:16
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DeadButDelicious posted:See they're rolling with the new mindless rhetoric. Out with Strong and Stable, in with Get On With The Job. Christ, anyone else getting Hot Fuzz "Greater Good" vibes? I suppose a hooded cabal is a fitting mental image for the Tories. Well Somerset voted Tory by a wide margin, so it's fitting I suppose.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:17
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Has anyone pointed this out yet?Pissflaps posted:It's difficult to take YouGov's constituency modelling seriously when you see examples of its output such as this:
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Jun 12, 2017 18:18
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Do party candidates tend to stump up their own cash / go into personal debt to fund their campaigns here? I know we're much more controlled than the US when it comes to spending limits but May's comments on financial difficulty might have had to do with that.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:20
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Because he's a spineless neoliberal little weasel who will say anything to further his paymasters cause That's everyone in media. Ludicro posted:Well, I can safely say boomers are indeed butt hurt. I have just been thrown out of my home. Jesus christ  You got somewhere you can go?
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Jun 12, 2017 18:20
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Party Boat posted:Do party candidates tend to stump up their own cash / go into personal debt to fund their campaigns here? I know we're much more controlled than the US when it comes to spending limits but May's comments on financial difficulty might have had to do with that. More like they have £2k+/month mortgages they can't pay for anymore. Maybe they employed their spouse as an assistant or whatever too.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:24
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baka kaba posted:It always feels like a contractual requirement to keep the stoner college students on board. I've seen bits where he seems genuinely angry about the issue he's talking about, and then he has to visibly grit his teeth and do the LOL PHOTOSHOP bit before he can get back to the actual important stuff The American media cycle is driven by the TV news networks, so they have the Daily Show and all the things it's spawned. The British media cycle is driven by the newspapers, so we have Private Eye.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:27
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I forget about an excellent comedy tactic - abstain to allow labour to form a government, then vote down or amend to hell their budget with a tactical agreement withe DUP. Loss of supply by convention would in similarly circumstances previously lead to an election but thanks to the FTPA it wouldn't this time, so abstain on a confidence motion "as the country can't afford an election" but insist the weight of convention means a defeated budget = the pm must resign
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Jun 12, 2017 18:31
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In conclusion parliament is a diverse place and there's lots of fun things you can do don't steal my ideas ty
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Jun 12, 2017 18:32
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kustomkarkommando posted:I forget about an excellent comedy tactic - abstain to allow labour to form a government, then vote down or amend to hell their budget with a tactical agreement withe DUP. Loss of supply by convention would in similarly circumstances previously lead to an election but thanks to the FTPA it wouldn't this time, so abstain on a confidence motion "as the country can't afford an election" but insist the weight of convention means a defeated budget = the pm must resign Britishpolitics.txt
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Jun 12, 2017 18:33
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There is genuinely nothing that the Conservatives can do right now that they are not already doing. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture. 1) You call an election (that a fair number of your own MPs do not want) on the basis of securing a Strong and Stable mandate to go hard into the Brexit negotiations 2) You fight a terrible election 3) You lose your (albeit slim) majority Unless you have someone immediate and obvious to step up, universally liked within the party and with a big enough personality in the public sphere, any leadership contest (ousting the sitting Prime Minister immediately after an election you "won") will destroy your image as strong and stable for a long time. There are at least two or three potential candidates that will split the party down the Remain and Leave lines. So what can you do? Try and immediately rally around the PM, proclaim yourselves as the best option to continue the work and try and form a government ASAP. It's clear from the debacle with the DUP at the weekend that they were trying to get a coalition/S+C deal done without anyone really thinking about it. They could put together a watered down Queen's Speech in time for next Monday and probably gotten it through, and kept themselves going for a few months. Instead the DUP are deliberately dragging their heels to (I think) get the best deal for themselves. The longer it goes on the more time Labour can trot people out to the press shouting about the "Coalition of Chaos". The 1922 committee cannot possibly get her to resign now as it would basically hand the government over to Labour. They have to hope that the Queen's Speech will go through smoothly (and I sense that Corbyn is going to do everything in his power to stop that from happening). Any other action will absolutely lead to an election in 6 months. edit: I'm probably not saying anything new to you guys but I wanted to put some thoughts I've had in my head down and I might crosspost this elsewhere.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:34
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kustomkarkommando posted:Pfft the clear winning move is to back down from forming a minority government, allow corbyn to become pm, get may to resign, abstain on the humble address to let his government go through "in the national interest" but then launch a coordinated obstructionist programme to cripple all legislation and continually deny a vote to dissolve parliament until labour crumbles to a compromise across the aisle position on one or two bits of legislation to get anything passed at all and then field a no confidence motion as the complex supply and confidence arrangement start fraying. I have a friend that essentially believes this, and the bit I have the hardest time agreeing with is the idea the Tories are that competent
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Jun 12, 2017 18:38
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Trin Tragula posted:The American media cycle is driven by the TV news networks, so they have the Daily Show and all the things it's spawned. The British media cycle is driven by the newspapers, so we have Private Eye. Makes sense, but surely there's a space for popular entertainment stuff with a strong political bent. I mean we used to have stuff like that, like with Mark Thomas I guess, and sometimes someone gets mad on HIGNFY, but usually it's 'thing? *snark*' and that's the end of it. Not exactly whipping people up. I dunno though, I don't watch much TV so maybe there is stuff on BBC Three Ludicro posted:Well, I can safely say boomers are indeed butt hurt. I have just been thrown out of my home. poo poo, what happened? Did you have a Labour sign up or something? Get some good legal advice if you can, surely they can't just throw you out like that
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Jun 12, 2017 18:39
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Party Boat posted:Do party candidates tend to stump up their own cash / go into personal debt to fund their campaigns here? I know we're much more controlled than the US when it comes to spending limits but May's comments on financial difficulty might have had to do with that. For the major parties? No. However CCO is completely skint and it's various big-business backers are probably a bit more reticent to pump cash into them quickly while they're still shambolic - not a good potential ROI there. Labour however proved in this election that they can raise money (from all those entryists we were being told had no real loyalty to the party) at a spectacular rate, to the point they may actually have broken even on it.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:40
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Trin Tragula posted:The American media cycle is driven by the TV news networks, so they have the Daily Show and all the things it's spawned. The British media cycle is driven by the newspapers, so we have Private Eye.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:42
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goddamnedtwisto posted:For the major parties? No. However CCO is completely skint and it's various big-business backers are probably a bit more reticent to pump cash into them quickly while they're still shambolic - not a good potential ROI there. Labour however proved in this election that they can raise money (from all those entryists we were being told had no real loyalty to the party) at a spectacular rate, to the point they may actually have broken even on it. Member subs are enough on their own to pay for the most expensive election they have ever fought every 6 months. Not counting short money, donations or union money.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:43
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baka kaba posted:Makes sense, but surely there's a space for popular entertainment stuff with a strong political bent. I mean we used to have stuff like that, like with Mark Thomas I guess, and sometimes someone gets mad on HIGNFY, but usually it's 'thing? *snark*' and that's the end of it. Not exactly whipping people up. I dunno though, I don't watch much TV so maybe there is stuff on BBC Three His Dad can throw him out of
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Jun 12, 2017 18:45
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Britishpolitics.txt "In this time of national change we at the conservative party understand the need for consensus as we approach our exit of the European union. That's why we stood aside and allowed Labour to form a government, we recognised that many in the country spoke in one voice to say that they did not want five more years of conservative government and to ignore our loss of mandate would imperil the unity of the country. However, with this extremist budget Mr Corbyn seems dead set on pursuing narrow ideological interest over national consensus, he seems to have forgotten that he too did not win a mandate in the last election and is intent on railroading through a divisive budget that will endanger out economy in this most trying of times. Mr Corbyn has shown no interest in reaching across to us as equal partners, instead choosing to silence the voices of those who voted conservative by putting party above nation. We commit ourselves to resist this budget for the few, not the many, and call on Mr Corbyn to reconsider his position - he is prime minister of the United kingdom of great Britain and northern ireland first and leader of the labour party second"
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Jun 12, 2017 19:07
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baka kaba posted:poo poo, what happened? Did you have a Labour sign up or something? Sorry I should specify this was my parents house. I moved back a few years ago after my relationship broke down and I lost my flat, since then I bounced back, met my current girlfriend and have spent a few days a week there while we house hunt as it's a 20 minute walk from work rather than a 37 mile drive. Basically she started arguing with me almost as soon as I came through the door (I'd been staying with my girlfriend since Thursday as usual). Tried to avoid the discussion as I know it never ends well, but ended up responding as she seemed convinced that the Tories won, Labour lost, and that all "you young people" voted for Corbyn because we wanted free handouts. She blew her top when I commented that the Tories view the sick and disabled as scroungers (she is disabled) and screamed at me repeatedly to pack my stuff and get out. Luckily I was able to go back to my girlfriends place which is where I am now. Bit of a shock tbh.
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Jun 12, 2017 19:08
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brb am preparing my leadership challenge against Theresa May
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Jun 12, 2017 19:10
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notaspy posted:Have we got an updated list of who is loyal and who is a plotter within the Labour Party? Ukmt getting saucy today
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Jun 12, 2017 19:10
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I'm genuinely shocked by this level of self awareness. I just assumed they repeated it until this bollocks until they believed it.
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Jun 12, 2017 19:11
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notaspy posted:Have we got an updated list of who is loyal and who is a plotter within the Labour Party? way back but supposedly Corbyn and McDonnell see Rebecca Long-Bailey as their successor.
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kustomkarkommando posted:"In this time of national change we at the conservative party understand the need for consensus as we approach our exit of the European union. That's why we stood aside and allowed Labour to form a government, we recognised that many in the country spoke in one voice to say that they did not want five more years of conservative government and to ignore our loss of mandate would imperil the unity of the country. However, with this extremist budget Mr Corbyn seems dead set on pursuing narrow ideological interest over national consensus, he seems to have forgotten that he too did not win a mandate in the last election and is intent on railroading through a divisive budget that will endanger out economy in this most trying of times. Mr Corbyn has shown no interest in reaching across to us as equal partners, instead choosing to silence the voices of those who voted conservative by putting party above nation. We commit ourselves to resist this budget for the few, not the many, and call on Mr Corbyn to reconsider his position - he is prime minister of the United kingdom of great Britain and northern ireland first and leader of the labour party second" Nice fanfic. Ludicro posted:Sorry I should specify this was my parents house. I moved back a few years ago after my relationship broke down and I lost my flat, since then I bounced back, met my current girlfriend and have spent a few days a week there while we house hunt as it's a 20 minute walk from work rather than a 37 mile drive. Man, that's harsh. Hope things work out for you. Not Operator posted:I'm genuinely shocked by this level of self awareness. I just assumed they repeated it until this bollocks until they believed it. In case you haven't noticed, Tories are also collectively dumb.
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