Tom Perez B/K/M? This poll is closed. |
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B | 77 | 25.50% | |
K | 160 | 52.98% | |
M | 65 | 21.52% | |
Total: | 229 votes |
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Abe Lincoln didn't have views of black people that we would call acceptable today, but we can still acknowledge him as a good role model, for the context of the society he was in. Same with FDR. But you can't say that about Hillary, at all.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 00:40 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 05:45 |
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braniac five has often been observed "jacking it" to old footage from auschwitz (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 00:41 |
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JeffersonClay posted:lol the post I quoted said it happened a long time ago and it wasn't noteworthy given the social mores of the time. That's the archetypal defense of slavery. So is slavery bad. Or is it okay if the African American slaves have ""low emotional intelligence"" according to a nondoctor who read a book and diagnosed the people polishing her silver.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 00:46 |
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rudatron posted:Slavery had already been outlawed by other countries by the time of the civil war, and abolition as a movement had already existed for a while, and gained traction. Its not a valid comparison. The apologists for chattel slavery in the American south say it happened a long time ago and it wasn't outside the norm of moral behavior at the time, and they are wrong. You said the Japanese internment happened a long time ago and wasn't outside the norm of moral behavior at the time, and you are wrong. VitalSigns posted:is it okay if the African American slaves have ""low emotional intelligence"" Nobody suggested they did. Hillary suggests murderers have low emotional intelligence, which is supported by a massive amount of peer-reviewed research.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 00:52 |
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Brainiac Five posted:So in other words, internment was justifiable and excusable. Wow, I am sure WampaLord will apologize and admit he was wrong any second now. Internment isn't justifiable. It just reveals different things about the person who did it. And, you might note, though you won't note, that the entire conversation we've been having revolves around what these things say about the people who did them. We're not comparing internment and prison slavery, we're comparing what internment says about FDR to what prison slavery says about Hillary. And also how the way you defend someone says a lot about you. Like saying FDR was good overall in spite of internment doesn't tar you with his position on interment, but defending Hillary's view on prison slavery does tar you with her position on prison slavery.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 00:53 |
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VitalSigns posted:So is slavery bad. Clearly defending slavery isn't bad because the first priority is screaming at the subhuman backstabber shillaries.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 00:53 |
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Futuresight posted:Internment isn't justifiable. It just reveals different things about the person who did it. And, you might note, though you won't note, that the entire conversation we've been having revolves around what these things say about the people who did them. We're not comparing internment and prison slavery, we're comparing what internment says about FDR to what prison slavery says about Hillary. Yeah, you'd go to bat for someone actively oppressing people for their race and insist it's worse to make racist statements about an observed racist situation. Hitler was by far better than Hillary, you see, because his murder of six million Jewish people didn't involve exploiting them, unlike Killary singlehandedly inventing prison labor in 1866. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 00:55 |
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rudatron posted:Abe Lincoln didn't have views of black people that we would call acceptable today, but we can still acknowledge him as a good role model, for the context of the society he was in. Same with FDR. So racism is OK if you like the person's politics, but it's a cudgel to use against those you don't like. Weren't you ranting about social justice as a conspiracy against the white poor a few pages back, and suggesting liberals who oppose racism are only motivated by white guilt?
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 00:56 |
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JeffersonClay posted:
You forgot to answer whether slavery is okay
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 00:58 |
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VitalSigns posted:You forgot to answer whether slavery is okay It is if you're enslaving white people.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 00:58 |
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This whole thing over the past couple pages is an excellent example of centrists using dumb bullshit to distract from the real problems we face.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 00:59 |
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WampaLord posted:This whole thing over the past couple pages is an excellent example of centrists using dumb bullshit to distract from the real problems we face. This post is a good example of phony leftists insisting racism is a distraction and racists are good people.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:00 |
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Nosfereefer posted:braniac five has often been observed "jacking it" to old footage from auschwitz Nosfereefer posted:In both the cases of India and the US, a peaceful resolution was made possible by the long standing traditions of rule by law. The western philosophy of the right of the individual, as a fundamental part of both law and morality, has enabled movements such as King's or Gandhi's to reach resolutions vis-a-vis the central governments without resorting to violence. The Oriental Mind, however, knows not of such concepts, where the only respected authority is borne through violence. Their collectivist societies can thus only achieve changes due to outside military pressure (see: the Mongol Invasion, western influence in the 19th century).
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:01 |
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Holy cats.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:02 |
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Futuresight posted:Internment isn't justifiable. It just reveals different things about the person who did it. And, you might note, though you won't note, that the entire conversation we've been having revolves around what these things say about the people who did them. We're not comparing internment and prison slavery, we're comparing what internment says about FDR to what prison slavery says about Hillary. Internment was prison slavery. FDR had Japanese internees building infrastructure in Arizona for zero pay. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4310157&page=1 Internees didn't even get trials. VitalSigns posted:You forgot to answer whether slavery is okay Slavery is bad. A more nuanced take: Chattel slavery is worse than Japanese internment slavery, which is worse than prison slavery, which is worse than wage slavery.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:05 |
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It is hilarious that you brought this up, s if you read that very thread one more page, you would see I was joking. Why are you tying so hard to helldump people?
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:06 |
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Nosfereefer posted:It is hilarious that you brought this up, s if you read that very thread one more page, you would see I was joking. Why are you tying so hard to helldump people? is helldumping clicking on rapsheets now excuse me, since im relatively new to sa, but i was under the impression that helldumping was not clicking on rapsheets can somebody give me the lowdown e: also, """"jokes"""" based on being a bigot, hilarious ha ha ha
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:07 |
WampaLord posted:This whole thing over the past couple pages is an excellent example of centrists using dumb bullshit to distract from the real problems we face. Obamacare is better than single-payer. -2020 DNC platform.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:08 |
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Nosfereefer posted:It is hilarious that you brought this up, s if you read that very thread one more page, you would see I was joking. Why are you tying so hard to helldump people? It certainly seems really believable given all your disgusting posts in this thread that you were joking when you made another disgusting post.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:08 |
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JeffersonClay posted:Chattel slavery is worse than Japanese internment slavery, which is worse than prison slavery, which is worse than wage slavery.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:09 |
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Nosfereefer posted:It is hilarious that you brought this up, s if you read that very thread one more page, you would see I was joking. Why are you tying so hard to helldump people? Because if they can scream "I found someone saying something racist!" enough, it'll distract from centrism being an empty shell of an ideology. It's transparently obvious.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:09 |
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RedSpider posted:Obamacare is better than single-payer. So have you shot up your local Democratic Party office yet or is your attempt to purge the centrists limited to making posts on the Internet
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:09 |
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Brainiac Five posted:It certainly seems really believable given all your disgusting posts in this thread that you were joking when you made another disgusting post. whatever makes you sleep at night, you loving ghoul
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:09 |
Brainiac Five posted:So have you shot up your local Democratic Party office yet or is your attempt to purge the centrists limited to making posts on the Internet I thought the congressmen shooter today was you, but you were still posting.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:11 |
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WampaLord posted:Because if they can scream "I found someone saying something racist!" enough, it'll distract from centrism being an empty shell of an ideology. It's transparently obvious. nobody cares what you think, pal hey here's a thought: maybe we can be leftist and espouse leftist and progressive policy ideals like ubi or gmi, indexing minimum wages to inflation or median wages, justice and penal system reform, single payer, etc. AND not be racist whoooooaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:11 |
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Brainiac Five posted:So have you shot up your local Democratic Party office yet or is your attempt to purge the centrists limited to making posts on the Internet Holy gently caress B5, jumping to poo poo like this over a non-offensive jokey post is what gets you probated. stone cold posted:nobody cares what you think, pal Why bother trying to "call out" every unpure poster you see? What does it gain you? Owning 4-6 people on the SA forums isn't going to make the country less racist.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:11 |
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JeffersonClay posted:So racism is OK if you like the person's politics, but it's a cudgel to use against those you don't like. Weren't you ranting about social justice as a conspiracy against the white poor a few pages back, and suggesting liberals who oppose racism are only motivated by white guilt? I literally explain the exact point I'm making, and in the first sentence of this paragraph, you absolutely mangle it. You then go on to put even more words in my mouth. I didn't make either of those claims, and I never once used the word 'conspiracy'.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:12 |
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Nosfereefer posted:whatever makes you sleep at night, you loving ghoul What makes me sleep at night is the thought of forcing Bernie voters to take pop quizzes on Fanon and giving them electric shocks when they give the wrong answer. Well, one of the things that does.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:12 |
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Brainiac Five posted:What makes me sleep at night is the thought of forcing Bernie voters to take pop quizzes on Fanon and giving them electric shocks when they give the wrong answer. Well, one of the things that does. ok
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:13 |
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JeffersonClay posted:Slavery is bad. A more nuanced take: Agreed. And in none of these cases does the enslaved's "emotional intelligence" justify enslaving them, even if the American justice system were a perfect barometer of such a thing and free of racial bias, which it demonstrably isn't. Yes? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jun 15, 2017 |
# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:13 |
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WampaLord posted:Holy gently caress B5, jumping to poo poo like this over a non-offensive jokey post is what gets you probated. it doesn't "gain" me anything; it simply informs everybody that that person is a bigot if you can't see anything worthwhile in that, then sorry that you suck like, are you gonna also tell me that punching nazis is bad and we should debate them instead
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:13 |
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WampaLord posted:Holy gently caress B5, jumping to poo poo like this over a non-offensive jokey post is what gets you probated. It's the right thing to do, you living incarnation of MLK's White Moderate.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:13 |
Brainiac Five posted:What makes me sleep at night is the thought of forcing Bernie voters to take pop quizzes on Fanon and giving them electric shocks when they give the wrong answer. Well, one of the things that does. This is what a bitter Abuela supporter looks like.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:14 |
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stone cold posted:hey here's a thought: maybe we can be leftist and espouse leftist and progressive policy ideals like ubi or gmi, indexing minimum wages to inflation or median wages, justice and penal system reform, single payer, etc. AND not be racist So you mean be Bernie? Like I mean, honestly, that's pretty much all we wanted out of Hillary. But she refused to support half these things. Why did you feel like she was the right choice in the primary?
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:14 |
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stone cold posted:it doesn't "gain" me anything; it simply informs everybody that that person is a bigot Well, for example, I think everyone knows that Call Me Charlie voted for Trump now, you can probably stop announcing it every time he posts. stone cold posted:like, are you gonna also tell me that punching nazis is bad and we should debate them instead No, but that's a non-sequiter, unless you plan on punching bad SA posters.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:15 |
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RedSpider posted:This is what a bitter Abuela supporter looks like. Do you know who Fanon is?
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:15 |
stone cold posted:it doesn't "gain" me anything; it simply informs everybody that that person is a bigot Look at this guy supporting violence against congressmen and public officials.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:15 |
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NewForumSoftware posted:So you mean be Bernie? drat, nice gotcha. I guess we've gotta denounce reparations as centrist identity politics now.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:16 |
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VitalSigns posted:Agreed. No one suggested low emotional intelligence justifies slavery, only that low emotional intelligence is correlated with violent crime.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:16 |
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WampaLord posted:Well, for example, I think everyone knows that Call Me Charlie voted for Trump now, you can probably stop announcing it every time he posts. well since you seem to be ok hanging around racists i thought that was a reasonable question like what is not to be gained by pointing out when people are doing a bigotry and shaming them for that are we scared of hurting bigot feelings now, friend e: RedSpider posted:Look at this guy supporting violence against congressmen and public officials. lmao, but also for future reference i am not a guy
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:16 |