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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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SA_Avenger posted:I agree with you. Just saying that they'll try to divert anger toward him to avoid other annoying question. I have also seem other newspaper report on the owners of the cladding company (the one which went under) showing their 1million $ house and aston martin. They'll need to blame individuals because they can't really blame decades of bad/capitalist policies. oh yeah, to clarify I didn't think you thought otherwise - only intention was to assist in callng the daily mail a bunch of arseholes, as is good and proper
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:loving amazing that after a campaign that collapsed in part because may wouldn't meet members of the public she's refused to meet any residents of glenfell tower when she went to visit this morning In her defence she might be swinging from the tower by now if she had.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:37
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Providing the structure is still in good condition then we could be looking at the first multi-storey gallows.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:39
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Brexit is going to be a massive loving disaster. It's also irreversible at this point. The best thing you can do as a remainer is pressure your MP to make sure the government pursues least damaging Brexit possible.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:39
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Julio Cruz posted:I guarantee Labour are doing the same thing. Prepare for every eventuality. They're literally emailing round telling people another election is on the way and please consider volunteering when it happens, it's not a secret.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:40
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Spangly A posted:no? why would you think that? Austerity is a series of policies designed to transfer wealth from the poorest to the richest. How would you go about transferring wealth from one group to another, when the wealth no longer exists? Will a post Brexit budget not have to deal with severely diminished tax receipts when inflation caused by the loss of 44% of your exports, importation through tariff and other trade barriers, widened trade deficit loss of businesses, increased unemployment, loss of much of the City to the EU27, exodus of high tax bracket skilled workers to the EU 27 and elsewhere, erosion of Further Education infrastructure due to a loss of revenue from foreign and especially EU 27 students, causes the economy to crash. What kind of socialism is possible in a Nation that has lost a functioning economy?
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Jun 15, 2017 16:42
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Mr Phillby posted:According to my facebook feed Corbin is a monster right now for trying to score cheap political points off the back of a tragedy. I mean the end result of "who could have seen this happening!??!" is that nothing changes. No one will be held accountable, no changes will be made and nothing will be learned. So it could happen again.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:43
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Lord_Adonis posted:Are the economic consequences of Brexit not harbingers of worse austerity to come? The EU is pro-austerity. Less so than the UK Conservatives though its true. There is never going to be an arrangement where UK citizens can become EU citizens by choice, that would mean that you could basically volunteer to have EU human rights despite living in dystopian little Britain, it would make no sense and be a clusterfuck.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:44
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Lord_Adonis posted:What kind of socialism is possible in a Nation that has lost a functioning economy? Socialism has survived worse conditions, comrade 
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Jun 15, 2017 16:45
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Lord_Adonis posted:How would you go about transferring wealth from one group to another, when the wealth no longer exists? Will a post Brexit budget not have to deal with severely diminished tax receipts when inflation caused by the loss of 44% of your exports, importation through tariff and other trade barriers, widened trade deficit loss of businesses, increased unemployment, loss of much of the City to the EU27, exodus of high tax bracket skilled workers to the EU 27 and elsewhere, erosion of Further Education infrastructure due to a loss of revenue from foreign and especially EU 27 students, causes the economy to crash. What kind of socialism is possible in a Nation that has lost a functioning economy? 
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Jun 15, 2017 16:45
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https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10154939461291939 watch this
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Jun 15, 2017 16:45
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Lord_Adonis posted:What kind of socialism is possible in a Nation that has lost a functioning economy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism  /\ gently caress u
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Jun 15, 2017 16:45
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Lord_Adonis posted:How would you go about transferring wealth from one group to another, when the wealth no longer exists? Will a post Brexit budget not have to deal with severely diminished tax receipts when inflation caused by the loss of 44% of your exports, importation through tariff and other trade barriers, widened trade deficit loss of businesses, increased unemployment, loss of much of the City to the EU27, exodus of high tax bracket skilled workers to the EU 27 and elsewhere, erosion of Further Education infrastructure due to a loss of revenue from foreign and especially EU 27 students, causes the economy to crash. What kind of socialism is possible in a Nation that has lost a functioning economy? You know how recently there's been some growth in the economy but it's all been concentrated in the hands of the very wealthiest? Well, imagine that, but there's a recession AND YET STILL the very wealthiest are getting richer. That's how you continue to move wealth from poor to rich during Brexit, and if your next comment is "the poor won't have any wealth left!!!": exactly.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:45
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Lord_Adonis posted:What kind of socialism is possible in a Nation that has lost a functioning economy? Kerala very clearly demonstrates that excess material wealth is not necessary to build a highly developed, high QOL, functioning society. The idea that the living standards of a country are related to GDP is not one that properly interacts with the evidence available.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:46
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nopantsjack posted:The EU is pro-austerity. Less so than the UK Conservatives though its true. I mean it's not like citizenship for sale is a new concept, it's just not one normally found outside the third world
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Jun 15, 2017 16:46
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fridge corn posted:Ask them to do a harry potter analogy next I will ask, tbh they may already have discussed this. I prefer the term "delightfully nerdy". The answer is "Malfoy's dad. Not Voldemort because even though he's evil he can do a speech and has lots of followers and Malfoy's dad was all look at me I've got the diary and lots of money and then when Voldermort came back it turned out he was all weak and cried a lot"
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Jun 15, 2017 16:47
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If we poor all starve to death then the rich will no longer be able to exploit us for our labour, and will have to work for their own subsistence with the means of production which they already own. This is how communism comes about 
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Jun 15, 2017 16:48
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nopantsjack posted:The EU is pro-austerity. Less so than the UK Conservatives though its true. I think that perhaps my choice to employ the word Austerity was inaccurate. The economic point I am trying to make is that Brexit will cause a massive fall in the income available to the exchequer (The kind of fall that simply raising taxes will not mitigate), which will necessitate further shrinkage of the state- it is the kind of loss of income that could precipitate national bankruptcy. As for an elective EU citizenship, I would agree that it would be unlikely to guarantee that your rights bequeathed by the EU would be respected by the UK government, rather that it would be a kind of ersatz citizenship that guarantees your right to free movement within the EU, affording you the ability to more easily escape Brexit Britain.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:49
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communism bitch posted:If we poor all starve to death then the rich will no longer be able to exploit us for our labour, and will have to work for their own subsistence with the means of production which they already own. That sure is a horseshoe Ayn Rand post.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:49
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communism bitch posted:If we poor all starve to death then the rich will no longer be able to exploit us for our labour, and will have to work for their own subsistence with the means of production which they already own. yeah I have absolutely no idea how people think social welfare is a result of a developed economic or capitalism, as opposed to being directly attacked when either case emerges in almost every possible example Lord_Adonis posted:I think that perhaps my choice to employ the word Austerity was inaccurate. The economic point I am trying to make is that Brexit will cause a massive fall in the income available to the exchequer (The kind of fall that simply raising taxes will not mitigate), which will necessitate further shrinkage of the state- it is the kind of loss of income that could precipitate national bankruptcy. No it isn't, no it won't. Low GDP does not equate to low QOL in this manner. In the nicest way this is simply not how econ works. It'll probably suck hard because corporations will scream like motherfuckers for five years but it won't have anything to do with brexit. Tax havens cannot bitch about loss of revenue, because they're tax havens.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:49
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gently caress yeah Akala.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:50
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Lord_Adonis posted:
I think thats quite plausible, a sort of Visa to Europe you can subscribe to.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:51
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Gum posted:I mean it's not like citizenship for sale is a new concept, it's just not one normally found outside the third world Actually it's super common, you just gotta have a lot of  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/shortcuts/2013/dec/10/want-to-buy-citizenship-super-rich-malta-passports
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Jun 15, 2017 16:52
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Macarius Wrench posted:Scary how quick you get a response on this thread in the middle of the day, awful lot of UKMT posters sitting on their good doctors sick notes. I can't think of many office jobs where you couldn't use the internet for personal reasons and still easily carry out your actual workflow without a problem.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:52
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Greece has lost one third of its economy in a few years thanks to austerity while remaining in the EU; even the Nazis didn't manage to do that much damage. There are definitely political and economic issues bigger than Brexit.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:53
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Tesseraction posted:gently caress yeah Akala. Can we give him a peerage and make him the Grime Minister for Talking Sense in a Corbyn government?
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Jun 15, 2017 16:53
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Looks like the same guy https://twitter.com/CharleeAnnie/status/875378589956485120 Basically saying that he already saw investor coming to see around (well now the place will be knocked down and they can build expensive building on it, state should just not let the building to be knocked down as a remembrance of the gently caress up)
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Jun 15, 2017 16:54
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MikeCrotch posted:Greece has lost one third of its economy in a few years thanks to austerity while remaining in the EU; even the Nazis didn't manage to do that much damage. There are definitely political and economic issues bigger than Brexit. tbh it's not like the abundance of directly contradictory evidence for 50 years has stopped politicians, thinktanks and corporate lobbyists pretending that GDP is directly correlated to welfare, qol, and the functioning of a state
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Jun 15, 2017 16:54
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The UK of 2017 is not Russia in 1917. We lack the resource base that the USSR was able to draw upon, enabling it to build a kind of autarkic socialism without having to beg for the kindness of the often hostile exporters of other nations. A revolution of that sort will be possible in Britain only when it occurs over much of the rest of the world, more or less simultaneously. A Communist Revolution in Britain today would serve only to isolate us further from the EU and international community, and would probably cause mass starvation and send us back to the 17th Century economically. Successful revolutions of this sort are only possible, absent of global revolution or powerful patron like the USSR, in a country like Russia or China, where the possibility to resort to autarky exists. Socialism will not save Brexit Britain.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:54
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Even if Brexit is going to be the worst thing ever this pearl clutching melodrama is pretty much the worst way to argue it The world isn't going to come to an end and regrettably wealth will continue to exist
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Jun 15, 2017 16:56
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Lord_Adonis posted:The UK of 2017 is not Russia in 1917. We lack the resource base that the USSR was able to draw upon, enabling it to build a kind of autarkic socialism without having to beg for the kindness of the often hostile exporters of other nations. A revolution of that sort will be possible in Britain only when it occurs over much of the rest of the world, more or less simultaneously. A Communist Revolution in Britain today would serve only to isolate us further from the EU and international community, and would probably cause mass starvation and send us back to the 17th Century economically. Successful revolutions of this sort are only possible, absent of global revolution or powerful patron like the USSR, in a country like Russia or China, where the possibility to resort to autarky exists. Socialism will not save Brexit Britain. I don't think anybody but the most devoted UKMTer was seriously suggesting the USSR as a good model of an effective socialist state.
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Lord_Adonis posted:The UK of 2017 is not Russia in 1917. We lack the resource base that the USSR was able to draw upon, enabling it to build a kind of autarkic socialism without having to beg for the kindness of the often hostile exporters of other nations I've already given you examples, inc Kerala which is the gold standard of development, and you keep pretending that socialism requires a high GDP. You're wrong.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:56
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You know I never did read that Chuck Tingle brexit novel but it must have been some dire stuff to make people this loving terrified.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I can't think of many office jobs where you couldn't use the internet for personal reasons and still easily carry out your actual workflow without a problem. Bit harder when you are stacking shelves in Tesco
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Jun 15, 2017 16:57
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Macarius Wrench posted:Bit harder when you are stacking shelves in Tesco Do you do much of that?
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Jun 15, 2017 16:58
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Macarius Wrench posted:Bit harder when you are stacking shelves in Tesco Well can you get back to it? Us pen pushers are trying to talk.
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OwlFancier posted:Do you do much of that? No, he's too busy desperately convincing himself he's trolling UKMT
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Chinese Gordon posted:Brexit is going to be a massive loving disaster. It's also irreversible at this point. The best thing you can do as a remainer is pressure your MP to make sure the government pursues least damaging Brexit possible. It could be reversed at any time.
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Jun 15, 2017 16:59
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Well I only ask because every supermarket I've worked in, almost nobody does 9-5, opening shift starts at 5 or 6 and closing shift finishes at 11 or 12 so most people finish or start sometime around the middle of the day.
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Pissflaps posted:It could be reversed at any time. in the next two years
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