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B B posted:So, uh, Ben Sasse is a pretty loving weird dude, turns out: Carlyle has mostly fallen out of modern recognition because he was one of Hitler and Goebbels' favorite philosophers.
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AnoHito posted:So, what, he's just going to lock himself in the Oval Office? Who do you really think is going to support him doing this? I have a hard time believing the police/secret service wouldn't just throw him out, let alone, say, the military turning on its own country. There was a serious concern Nixon would cite protesters as a justification to militarize the area around the White House and then refuse to give it up.
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Ben's Assy is a loving goober weirdo and the credit the media has given him for being "moderate" is absolutely unearned.
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Jun 15, 2017 18:48
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B B posted:So, uh, Ben Sasse is a pretty loving weird dude, turns out: Man, I thought it was just going to be a boring, "Kids these days; GET OFF MY LAWN!" but this sounds weird to the point where I want to read it. Nebraska, you never cease to impress me.
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The authority of the presidency does not come from living in the Whitehouse. It comes, at least in principle, from the will of American citizens. If Trump loses in 2020, that next January he loses all of his authority. And although in those months after the election he may cry and scream and throw his toys out of his crib, nothing short of a constitutional amendment or coup de'tat backed by the military can change that.
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TheScott2K posted:Ben's Assy is a loving goober weirdo and the credit the media has given him for being "moderate" is absolutely unearned. This is every Republican "moderate" because the media is desperate for someone not loving evil, stupid, or both to be a member of that party since it's one of only two that govern this country so they have to make fantasy versions of these guys to prop up, see Kasich, McCain, Ryan, etc.
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Ben Sasse also recommends randomly jumping around corners or faking emergencies to scare your kids when they are as young as possible to help them grow thick skin and become men. Lotta weird unsolicited parenting tips in his book. (Also says that the most recent generation is self-centered, but Boomers and "the Greatest Generation" aren't because Boomers had to live through the Cold War and "The Greatest Generation" didn't pick that name for themselves. That's it.)
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BlueberryCanary posted:The authority of the presidency does not come from living in the Whitehouse. It comes, at least in principle, from the will of American citizens. If Trump loses in 2020, that next January he loses all of his authority. And although in those months after the election he may cry and scream and throw his toys out of his crib, nothing short of a constitutional amendment or coup de'tat backed by the military can change that. Also the institutions most like the Gestapo in the US all super hate Trump lol.
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Kekekela posted:Trump picked up 4 net points in the Gallup today. (59/36 to 57/38) That's a three-day average so he probably got a fair bump from this. Anecdotal evidence based on the number of assholes I've had to block on fb for "radical leftwing" bullshit posts supports the theory. God how are otherwise normal people so loving dumb. it's one poll, dude
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Ben Sasse also recommends randomly jumping around corners or faking emergencies with your kids when they are as young as possible to help them grow thick skin and become men. And that's why you always leave a note!
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Ruh-Roh! The slow drip of information to ensure that all the juices get absorbed is 
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Still can't believe our President is such a gently caress-up that a Congressman is shot by a political opponent and the news is back on him in 13hrs.
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In his book, Sasse also recommends pulling your kid out of public school and giving them a "hybrid education" where you home-school them two days a week and bring them to work with you three days a week.
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Rotacixe posted:The slow drip of information to ensure that all the juices get absorbed is Love this analogy.
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sean10mm posted:Also the institutions most like the Gestapo in the US all super hate Trump lol. Any and all militaristic/violent support for Trump will come from right-wing extremist citizens ala Alex Jones and Bundy.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Does anyone like me? Everybody likes you.
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Sasse also said he started charging his kids for rent and dinner when they were 8 and paid them the exact amount he charged them in allowance for doing their chores and washing his car. This prepared them to be men and not adult children. His kids are going to grow up to be Mormon Patrick Batemen.
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Pollyanna posted:Any and all militaristic/violent support for Trump will come from right-wing extremist citizens ala Alex Jones and Bundy. Yeah I'll take the FBI in a fight over some cowardly old hicks any day of the week
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100% none of these things were done to Sasse when he was young
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah I'll take the FBI in a fight over some cowardly old hicks any day of the week The diabetus staffel?
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Alter Ego posted:Yes, Donald. Taunt the special prosecutor, by all means. 1) Taunt special prosecutor 2) Demand special prosecutor recuse himself because he doesn't like you after all the nasty things you've said Believe it or not, this was attempted back in the day by Rob Ford (Toronto's crack smoking mayor) versus Bill Blair (Toronto's police chief) investigating said crack smoking and organized crime connections. I don't think it worked, but it was tried by another unhinged guy not qualified for his elected post against corruption charges, so it'd fit. Javes posted:Whenever the democrats retake the Congress it would be nice to have some of these governmental norms that we've apparently taken for granted codified into law. Trump has shown us that any norm or formality not explicitly law will be abused. Basically this. The USA can't rely on norms, decorum and "well, nobody would *actually* do that" anymore. If your rules require congress to agree the rules apply to you, then they're not rules. Trump is a guy playing Monopoly arguing that the rules don't explicitly say cheating isn't allowed, so he can just take money from the bank. And when he's caught, he can point out there's nothing in the rules about punishing people who get caught cheating, so what are they gonna do? Congress is the rest of the players realizing they need this guy for the ride home, so they can't just ban him.
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Prester Jane posted:I wanted to reply at length to Skex but the only practical way to do so was to break hist post up and respond to each section. I hope Skex and the thread won't mind. Also I think that you are making a mistake to think of the current crop of natavists as being a functioning power block while they are in fact a large number of different factions that have found common cause on some issues where they have formed an alliance, which btw is a huge part of why even though they have managed to get their hands on the levers of power, they are having difficulties pushing their agenda through. The only thing that these different nativist groups have in common is this abstract idea of disliking liburels and a FYGM attitude. They were able to form a coalition to get power but now that they have it they can't reach a common cause on what to do with it. Prester Jane posted:They found themselves under immense scrutiny from a Federal Government that was both willing and fully capable of making them experience dire consequences for criminal activity. At present this situation will not repeat itself because the Federal government is not interested and completely unwilling to punish the militia movement. In point of fact the Trump government is starting to work hand in hand with militias by coordinating with them on patrols of the border with Mexico to publicly stating (in the wake of the Portland attack) that GOP officials needed to start hiring right wing militias for protection from Antif/leftists. See current special counsel investigating Russian meddling. Just because it's not obvious and public doesn't mean that it's not happening. It's just that these sorts of things tend to take time to get going. The FBI has been turned against them at this point thanks to Trump's incompetence and the majority of the intelligence community is also against him and his nativist cohorts. Prester Jane posted:The right have been prevented from implementing large portions of their agenda primarily by their own incompetence and less so the system itself. True the travel ban got shot down in the courts, the the damage that is being done every single day to our government represents the true bulk of their intended agenda. Eventually there won't be enough of a Federal government left to oppose them and that is their full intention. Until Trump and his enablers are removed from power anything else is just buying time until they can be removed from power. What you call their incompetence isn't something they can get past. They are by their very nature going to be incompetent precisely because of their belief system. And don't believe for a second that their so called leaders believe the bullshit they spout. The nativists are just useful idiots to them, rubes who are easily deceived and if they really act up expect those who are the real power behind the GOP (the mega rich) to stomp them down quickly. Prester Jane posted:Nativist movements have never had a person with a Cluster B personality disorder in the highest form of social authority in our culture telling them ti ignore everything else except for their rage towards the Enemy. The present situation is very, very different from what has occurred in the past because of this. They are still cowards at heart, for them to take actual action beyond whining on internet forums would require them to either grow a spine or think that they have enough popular support to act with impunity. While I agree that having Chump actively encouraging them is likely to stir up a few of the more loony of them. The vast majority are just as much armchair warriors as they are armchair quarterbacks witnessed by the fact that despite all their bloviating most of them could never be arsed to serve in the military. As far as compared to what has come in the past. We had a literal loving civil war in our history so it's not like it's unprecedented for the natavists to have power. Frankly we're no where near that level because while they may be numerous in some terms they also tend to be rural which means that they lack the infrastructure for a protracted campaign. Much like the south was at a logistical disadvantage to north. The things that make natavists natavists in the first place put them at a structural disadvantage. Prester Jane posted:While it is technically true that in a long enough time line all nativist/Narrativist movements ultimately fail, the question is whether or not the United States will survive the process in any recognizable form. It isn't like Germany or China got out of their brushes with Narrativism without severe consequences. While both countries still exist, they lost a tremendous deal as a result of Narrativism seizing control of their state apparatus. Oh no doubt this current bit of crazy has and will continue to cost the United States a great deal and cause damage will take decades to recover from. It's not like I'm arguing that these people are not a threat to the nation. My point is the idea that they are going to get ratcheted up to the point of armed insurrection because one liberal showed the courage to do what they talk about doing all the time is far from a foregone conclusion. If anything it will act as a reminder that they aren't the only ones with guns and that liberals will fight back which will give them pause. This is why I'm perfectly down with punching a Nazi in the face. These people are all cowards at heart. While it can be dangerous to push cowards into a corner they don't tend to take action against an organized opposition unless they sense that they are in an overwhelmingly superior position. AKA they are risk averse. They talk poo poo but for the most part that's all they are talk.
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stillvisions posted:Trump is a guy playing Monopoly arguing that the rules don't explicitly say cheating isn't allowed, so he can just take money from the bank. And when he's caught, he can point out there's nothing in the rules about punishing people who get caught cheating, so what are they gonna do? Congress is the rest of the players realizing they need this guy for the ride home, so they can't just ban him. That's what the electorate wanted, he's running the country like a business. If it's not against the law, it's fair game
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B B posted:So, uh, Ben Sasse is a pretty loving weird dude, turns out: Conservatism and new-ageism a.k.a. The Third Reich Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Sasse also said he started charging his kids for rent and dinner when they were 8 and paid them the exact amount he charged them in allowance for doing their chores and washing his car. Treating kids like adults is demonstrably worse than adults in a delayed adolescence. Dmitri-9 fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:In his book, Sasse also recommends pulling your kid out of public school and giving them a "hybrid education" where you home-school them two days a week and bring them to work with you three days a week. The only thing worse than his ideas and policies is his haircut.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:In his book, Sasse also recommends pulling your kid out of public school and giving them a "hybrid education" where you home-school them two days a week and bring them to work with you three days a week. Oh yeah, my auto manufacturing plant is totally cool with me bringing a five year old into General Assembly.
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Isn't Ben Sasse also a diminionist?
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"Were you seriously not listening when I told you to 'never put your hands where you wouldn't put your you-know-what'? For a 7 year old, you're pretty dense. And fingers don't grow back btw"
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Oh yeah, my auto manufacturing plant is totally cool with me bringing a five year old into General Assembly. If you aren't self-employed what are you even doing with your life? 
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Oh yeah, my auto manufacturing plant is totally cool with me bringing a five year old into General Assembly. Get a real job peasant.
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BootStrap posted:I, no-poo poo, had the blood of the first deer I killed when I was a teenager, rubbed all over my face by a couple of older cousins. Blooding after you first kill is normal in some places. It's gross and weird though. If I could go back I'd pass on doing it when I was 12. I'd rather stick to field dressing and cooking than all the other weird poo poo people sometimes do. I loved preparing the meat and eating more than anything else as a kid. Cooking is fun and now I'm hungry 
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B B posted:So, uh, Ben Sasse is a pretty loving weird dude, turns out: For with much wisdom comes great sorrow, indeed. As for Ben Sasse romanticizing polio...All I can say is Republicans are uninterested in political injustices and yearn for metaphysical ones.
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mcmagic posted:Isn't Ben Sasse also a diminionist? He doesn't like short people? E: keep editing you'll get there eventually.
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Ben Sasse also says in his book that when he was a kid, it was common for strangers to spank other people's children in public. That this no longer happens is the reason why we have "children in their 30's."
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cochise posted:Blooding after you first kill is normal in some places. It's gross and weird though. If I could go back I'd pass on doing it when I was 12. I'd rather stick to field dressing and cooking than all the other weird poo poo people sometimes do. I loved preparing the meat and eating more than anything else as a kid. Cooking is fun and now I'm hungry Yeah, I remember reading a lot of ethnographic studies in college about manhood rituals that are similar. I'm not sure why it affected me so vividly, but I never had any interest in hunting after that. If it had been a solemn ceremony, honoring the animal's sacrifice, instead of a couple of hillbillies drunk on Busch beer it might have been different.
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mcmagic posted:Isn't Ben Sasse also a diminionist? Is this like Dominionism except tinier? e: lol
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:wait what Dude, its one tweet
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I'm still trying to understand why a man who admitted himself has terrible health habits and family history of many diseases would, at an age many wealthy people would choose to retire and enjoy their sunset years, willingly take the literal most stressful and aging job in the world
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BootStrap posted:Yeah, I remember reading a lot of ethnographic studies in college about manhood rituals that are similar. I'm not sure why it affected me so vividly, but I never had any interest in hunting after that. Kids with deer blood on their faces is a regular thing on my Facebook feed. It is very common.
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