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Paul MaudDib posted:Definitely do not do this on Skylake or Kaby Lake, Intel moved to a new substrate that is thinner and weaker (thinner substrate = shorter vias with less parasitic inductance = higher clocks). Yeah I cringe when I see enthusiast YouTubers doing it. Or Linus doing anything really  I don't think anything will top Paul's Hardware's three part series of what to do with a new computer after it boots. Parts 2 and 3 both opened with "So I told you to install Windows wrong last time"
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Hm... I guess maybe I'm the thread idiot for the day, but I don't really understand how picking a motherboard and CPU up by the heatsink is a problem if the heatsink bolts securely through the board to a backplate. A lot of these heatsinks weigh as much as the boards they attach to and are hanging off of one side all day, so how is it causing more trauma to the board if it's flat on a table or in a case on its side and gets picked up gently by that same connection? Clearly picking up the whole machine including the case, PSU etc. like that would be idiotic but that's not what we're talking about right? e: Thinking more about it, the motherboard is screwed in when vertical which is a serious difference. Still, is the weight of the board itself enough to be of concern here if you have a backplate and aren't banging things around? It can support its own weight and not crack in half if you pick it up by one edge, so why is being picked up by the center-mounted heatsink an issue? Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Eletriarnation posted:Hm... I guess maybe I'm the thread idiot for the day, but I don't really understand how picking a motherboard and CPU up by the heatsink is a problem if the heatsink bolts securely through the board to a backplate. Unless the weight happens to be exactly balanced on the CPU cooler, you are going to be applying a pretty substantial amount of torque onto one corner of the die and/or corner of the socket. Especially with the cooler in a horizontal orientation (board vertical), but really either way. And if you are doing it with the rest of the case attached then this is insane. Why do it in the first place? Are you really that lazy that you can't pick the board up by the corners like the relatively delicate piece of electronics it is?
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Again, agreed that picking the motherboard up by the cooler with the case/etc. attached is obviously stupid. I mean doing it with everything but the cooler/CPU removed and the cooler vertically oriented, so that the motherboard is flat. I didn't see it as some kind of lazy shortcut though, on the specific motherboard I'm remembering doing this with all of the mass is clustered around the socket anyway and the socket itself is centered pretty well horizontally on the board so I didn't think pressure would be that uneven. With the cooler and plate on the other side forming a rigid cage around the socket, I figured the torque would be on the cooler screws and I would be OK as long as I didn't swing the board around or whack it on anything. I was OK, but maybe I was just lucky. Anyway, I didn't mean to say this is the recommended way to do things - just wondered if I was missing something. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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It 9/10 times maybe won't hurt it. Regardless it's not something you should do with any part of the PC hence why thread says don't do it. Case closed.
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WarpZealot posted:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4NChwV Aren't the GAMING brand boards usually loaded with a lovely bluescreening ethernet controller or am I out of date with that one the Killer one edit: never mind, I see it's now recommended in the OP so presumably it is now fine or I misremembered. NLJP fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Thanks for the tips. I take it the different version of the card makes minimal difference? [edit] I am also increasingly aware that I have another thing to hate cryptocurrency for. Munin fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Wow, I was about to post and pull the trigger on a new build I'd been considering and find out that 1070s are up almost $100 from when I first priced it.  Maybe I'll wait for 370 chipsets etc after all, this sucks.
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NLJP posted:Aren't the GAMING brand boards usually loaded with a lovely bluescreening ethernet controller or am I out of date with that one The OP says NOT to get the lovely Killer stuff and I can vouch for it as I finally moved away from my MSI Z97 Gaming 5 motherboard and it's horrible bandwidth gimping Killer ethernet garbage.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Not really. Sandy Bridge was an abnormally good OC'er, it wasn't until Kaby Lake that Intel managed to surpass it. Most of the processors in between didn't OC as well as Sandy and many of them had fairly terrible TIM that required delidding to get anywhere near peak performance. I'm not sure what "Not really" applies to here, unless we're describing the same thing in two different ways. Sandy was a phenomenal overclocker, and apparently Kaby is too. In between, meh. "meh" was what I was trying to convey - a solid sandy overclock looked really good compared to every chip before KBL.
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trinary posted:Wow, I was about to post and pull the trigger on a new build I'd been considering and find out that 1070s are up almost $100 from when I first priced it. Not sure this is going to get better any time soon, unfortunately.
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nerox posted:My computer at my office is getting a bit long in the tooth, so its time to upgrade my home computer and take my old one to the office. I am going with a Ryzen build, but I want you guys to take a look see to see if there are any glaring problems I missed out on. After going back and forth between motherboards and getting a 1700 vs. 1700x, Amazon had the 1700x yesterday for $314. So I pulled the trigger and got this coming to me in the mail: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor ($367.99 @ SuperBiiz) CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 SE-AM4 140.2 CFM CPU Cooler ($95.29 @ Amazon) Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($92.99 @ SuperBiiz) Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($145.20 @ Amazon) Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($155.99 @ SuperBiiz) Case: Fractal Design - Define Mini C MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz) Power Supply: SeaSonic - G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.39 @ SuperBiiz) Other: SanDisk Cruzer Glide CZ60 8GB USB 2.0 Flash Drive- SDCZ60-008G-B35 ($6.66 @ Amazon) Total: $1013.50 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-20 08:43 EDT-0400 Amazon has already sold out of the 1700x again. I already have the 1070 and I got a windows 7 pro key for $10 off SA-Mart the other day. nerox fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Is there any cheap upgrade path for mobo+cpu for my setup? My only option is to OC my i5-760 or buy a Xeon, but overclocking a Lynnfield is a mess, and I don't think a Xeon will provide much more than more overclocking headroom. I want to wait for Cannon Lake or Ryzen 2.0, but my current CPU is such a massive bottleneck right now that I want something temporary that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
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You could upgrade to Haswell and keep the same RAM, but at that point I'd say get Kaby Lake and upgrade the RAM too instead of buying two and a half generations old. I overclocked a Lynnfield Xeon to ~4.0 and an i3-530 a bit higher a couple months back so maybe I could give some tips, but I missed your post in the OC thread. I'll reply there about overclocking.
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Hi thread. It's been 4 years since my last build, so I'm looking to upgrade. That build is here: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DV8GgL My CPU is overclocked to 4.1 GHz and the GPUs are OC'ed as well, I want to say about 1200 MHz but I don't recall offhand. Relevant use details: - I have triple 1080 144Hz monitors, I don't currently have plans to go to 4k but it's not impossible I guess. - I tend to play a lot of CPU / memory heavy sim games. - The big one and the reason I want to upgrade since the first 2 are still pretty well covered, I want this to have good VR performance. I have a DK2 and it's acceptable on early gen stuff, but I assume later gen stuff it's just not cut out for. Planning on getting a Vive for room scale. Budget: I was (and still am) considering a full rebuild if necessary (apart from storage, case etc.) so $1500 ish if so. (Excluding the Vive.) But I'm thinking it's possible I could get a huge jump for a lot less than that. I plan on reselling what I can to offset the cost, not included in that $1500. I don't keep up with the state of the market until I'm ready to upgrade myself, so I'm still doing research, but so far I have the following ideas: - Ditch the 770 SLI, get one 1080 Ti, unless bottlenecked, so... - Do I upgrade the mobo / CPU? From what I can tell, DDR3 vs 4 at the same clock speed has a negligible performance difference and roughly the same cost. So I could swap out my memory for higher speed DDR3 and not really lose out on anything. But is it cost effective to upgrade my CPU (and therefore motherboard) to a 7000 series? (In which case I would go to DDR4 while I'm at it.) I'm really unsure about this, from what I can tell the performance gains are pretty incremental vs what's probably a minimum of $500 for mobo + CPU. Please, correct me if I'm mistaken on anything or if there's something else I should consider. metasynthetic fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:Unless the weight happens to be exactly balanced on the CPU cooler, you are going to be applying a pretty substantial amount of torque onto one corner of the die and/or corner of the socket. Especially with the cooler in a horizontal orientation (board vertical), but really either way. And if you are doing it with the rest of the case attached then this is insane. I think this scenario most likely comes up when you've tested the system on the motherboard box and want to install it in the case. With a cramped case it can be easier to hold the system from the heatsink. In the worst situation when the case is vertical, for example if I don't to remove the case from my under table computer hanger, I too would find it more convenient to hold the system by the heatsink.
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I need a santiy check before I pull (Im in Canada) : https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/BcJKD8 My i5-2500K gave up the ghost last night and my p-67A motherboard is slowly dying as well. I am able to use the following for this build: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 SSC GAMING 2 Hard Drives EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 Power Supply I have a $1000 [purchasing allowance for a new pc at my work. I mostly am using it for Gaming at 1080p with the highest graphics I can get. I am also looking to some overclocking and using the AM4 platform for future upgrades on the CPU. Is the Gigabyte board I have picked fine for what I am looking to do? I know Gigabyte hasn't had the most stellar rep in the last few years but the reviews are good on this and they have been keeping the BIOS updates regularly.
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I built my current PC back in 2012, so I've decided that it's about time to build a new one. Tell me what to do thread... Currently using:
I've got a nice 1440p monitor already and I'd like to be able to run new games at a decent quality/frame rate, so I'm assuming it's time to start from scratch? Or is this a situation where I should just get a new video card + RAM and the CPU/mobo is usable? Also, unless there has been some revolutionary advances in case design, I guess I can reuse that case and throw the current parts into an even older case and use that PC as a server or whatever else... Anyway, I'm going to buy something in the next month or two, unless there's a highly compelling reason to wait beyond that for some new poo poo that's around the corner. Okay with spending around $1K give or take. What do I buy?
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You could make do with just getting a 1070 or a 1080, the former is kind of hard to get right now due to cryptocurrency mining so the 1080 is probably a better deal. Upgrading to 16GB RAM wouldn't be a bad idea either. You could also probably OC the 3570K higher than 3.8GHz.
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I need a new gfx card, SF5, Tekken 7, and the newest AssCreed are all barely running at lowest settings, although literally everything else seems to run fine. Here's what I'm running now http://speccy.piriform.com/results/p5n4Udm2FWNA7N4Uo1PPZcR (HD Radeon 6670) and I'd love to spend under $200... what's my best option?
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Quad posted:I need a new gfx card, SF5, Tekken 7, and the newest AssCreed are all barely running at lowest settings, although literally everything else seems to run fine. Here's what I'm running now http://speccy.piriform.com/results/p5n4Udm2FWNA7N4Uo1PPZcR (HD Radeon 6670) and I'd love to spend under $200... what's my best option? 2nd hand 970? Or a cheapish 1060 if you can find one that a bitcoin miner hasnt tapped yet.
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Quad posted:I need a new gfx card, SF5, Tekken 7, and the newest AssCreed are all barely running at lowest settings, although literally everything else seems to run fine. Here's what I'm running now http://speccy.piriform.com/results/p5n4Udm2FWNA7N4Uo1PPZcR (HD Radeon 6670) and I'd love to spend under $200... what's my best option? Overclock that processor and look at a 1060 or RX580.
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BCRock posted:I built my current PC back in 2012, so I've decided that it's about time to build a new one. Tell me what to do thread... I might be biased because I have the previous generation platform with a 1060, but I think your CPU/mobo is still pretty solid for 1440p/60Hz. You just need a faster card and ideally you'd be able to push the CPU overclock a bit higher, most chips of that model can break 4.0 I think. A 1070 with that build would put you in a good spot though. nerox posted:Overclock that processor and look at a 1060 or RX580. I see 4590, unless it's a 4590K actually then no go on that. Could still get good results with a faster card though.
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nerox posted:Overclock that processor and look at a 1060 or RX580. Eletriarnation posted:I see 4590, unless it's a 4590K actually then no go on that. Could still get good results with a faster card though. What is this saying; that if I don't overclock my processor, an rx580 or gtx1060 wouldn't be useful? Wouldn't work at all? Pretend I don't know what I'm doing.
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nerox posted:look at a 1060 or RX580. ...with longing eyes, from very far away
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3peat posted:...with longing eyes, from very far away Also yeah, it seems Newegg either has them for way too much money, or they're sold out. Is this normal? Are there, like, shortages of video cards? Why wouldn't they just make more if stock was low? Am I completely retarded?
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Quad posted:Also yeah, it seems Newegg either has them for way too much money, or they're sold out. Is this normal? Are there, like, shortages of video cards? Why wouldn't they just make more if stock was low? Buttcoin miners have ravaged the stocks of these
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Quad posted:Also yeah, it seems Newegg either has them for way too much money, or they're sold out. Is this normal? Are there, like, shortages of video cards? Why wouldn't they just make more if stock was low? People have very suddenly started buying all the graphics cards to mine the new bitcoin.
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Quad posted:What is this saying; that if I don't overclock my processor, an rx580 or gtx1060 wouldn't be useful? Wouldn't work at all? Pretend I don't know what I'm doing. No, sorry - it's saying that you can't overclock your processor unless there's a display error with what you posted and it's actually a 4590K instead of a 4590. (People who actually have Haswell... you still can't mess with BCLK much on that generation, right?) Even if you can't overclock though, you would still see substantial gain from a new graphics card - you just might see the limitations of the CPU in some scenarios where you wouldn't if you were running at 4.5 or whatever. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Quad posted:What is this saying; that if I don't overclock my processor, an rx580 or gtx1060 wouldn't be useful? Wouldn't work at all? Pretend I don't know what I'm doing. A newer card would still help you even if you can't OC the processor. 3peat posted:...with longing eyes, from very far away Yeah the links that say in stock on pcpartpicker are out of stock when I go to the actual website.
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http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-6670-vs-GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti I'll prolly do this; it doesn't seem like a drastic change, but it's a 5 year newer card, and I'm sure it'll bump me up past 'playable but poo poo on minimum" to "60fps on medium".
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BCRock posted:Currently using: I had the same setup with 16gb and an R9 290x gpu - I just replaced that with an Asus 1060 (thanks thread) because they're currently on sale in Europe, with DOW3 included. I just bought a cheap quiet cooler (Arctic Freezer i32) to replace the jet engine sitting there currently, and with that done I figure I'll be set for a few more years.
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Quad posted:http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-6670-vs-GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti It will be a drastic change from your 6670, you should end up happy with it. With the 1600x900 monitor that Speccy reports you can probably just max out everything on most games - my parents have a regular 1050 with an i5-4590S and they have no problem running FO4 or MGSV on 1080p/high. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Eletriarnation posted:- my parents have a regular 1050 with an i5-4590S and they have no problem running FO4 or MGSV on 1080p/high. Do tell.
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MGSV is actually seriously impressive in terms of running on low-spec systems, I had no problem playing it at 720p/low on the HD 4600 iGPU before I bought the 1050 and all things considered it didn't look that bad. Shame that I don't know if Konami will ever reuse the engine. I would still probably recommend stretching for a 1060 if you're building a new system and able to because it's a small difference in full-system cost, but as upgrades go the 1050's value proposition is not bad - especially if your screen is sub-1080p. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Eletriarnation posted:MGSV is actually seriously impressive in terms of running on low-spec systems, I had no problem playing it at 720p/low on the HD 4600 iGPU before I bought the 1050 and all things considered it didn't look that bad. Awww. I thought you meant your parents played MGSV
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This is a pretty good deal right? I was planning to build a new system and spend around 2K and get a monitor but I think I might buy this and wait a few years to build a system. Wait until there are cards that can easily drive 4K displays in demanding games and hdr monitors are more common.
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CyberPingu posted:Awww. I thought you meant your parents played MGSV No, although my mom might give it a try if prompted - she was a Doom fan back in the day but I'm not sure if stealth is her thing. My dad's more of a Civ type. I got the card so that my younger cousin who lives nearby could play at their house, since he doesn't have a gaming computer or much interest in maintaining one and they already had the Haswell desktop for an HTPC. I also figured they might want a 4K TV one day, so HDMI 2.0 was a bonus.
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CyberPingu posted:Buttcoin miners have ravaged the stocks of these It's not bitcoin, it's the other n-currencies like it. There are now tools that automate selling lovely random currencies for bitcoin, which you can use to buy a fair bit (e.g. Steam). This trend won't break like bitcoin mining, because the complexities are going to remain within GPU range. As it is, most of the cards that are running out of stock will pay for themselves mining over ~60 days so some huge shifts in supply and demand need to happen before this settles again; people are buying them as though they are free. This is all to say unless you want to hold on a while, assume the inflated prices are correct and plan accordingly. This probably means buying a 1080 if your demands are >1080p/60 most times.
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