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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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There's still a lot of appetite for brexit among people who aren't part of the daily mail commentariat. Even putting aside immigration people genuinely believe that the UK has lost some freedom by being part of the eu
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Any chance for a referendum will only come when the reality of how poo poo the whole thing really is starts to hit home. Forcing the issue this early will make for an easy distraction and make the whole thing about tribalism and ENEMIES OF BRITANE
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Jun 25, 2017 02:16
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Jun 25, 2017 02:24
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Who would invite known antiwarman jeremy corbyn to war day events?
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Jun 25, 2017 02:28
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OwlFancier posted:Who would invite known antiwarman jeremy corbyn to war day events? If you want to look after the armed forces the best thing you can be is anti-war.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:29
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spectralent posted:If you want to look after the armed forces the best thing you can be is anti-war. Yes but we have remembrance day for "war is shite let's not do it". What is armed forces day but an exercise in fellating people who kill other people for money?
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Jun 25, 2017 02:32
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Namtab posted:There's still a lot of appetite for brexit among people who aren't part of the daily mail commentariat. Even putting aside immigration people genuinely believe that the UK has lost some freedom by being part of the eu There are genuine arguments against the EU, being a member of it, and in favor of weakening it It's just that none of them are "Britain's going to get a zillion dollars for everything" short terms, which are what brits were being told.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:33
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OwlFancier posted:Yes but we have remembrance day for "war is shite let's not do it". Remembrance day is, as you say, "war is shite let's not do it". The focus is on the horror of WW1 and the dead of all other wars, and the general terrible toll war's taken on us historically and will in future until it's futility is recognised. Armed forces day is an equivalent to veterans day where it's meant to be about living service and ex-service people; this can have a reasonable purpose when used to highlight how the government is entirely willing to pay for rifles and tanks but not for homes, mental health counselling, or disability benefits for these people when they get back. If you wanted to condense the two down, I'm sure you could, but there's an entirely legitimate pacifist reason to be attending the event, and, in all honesty, I think you can only really attend and speak in good conscience if you are a pacifist, since anything else is "I care, but not enough to actually want people's lives to have not been scarred".
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Jun 25, 2017 02:40
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How the gently caress would the EU would even react if after two years of extremely annoying negotiations Britain decided, you know what, this conditions suck, we take it back. Is that what Theresa May means by no deal is better than a bad deal? Is she a secret Remainer and we've been misjudging her? Well, we know she really is a Remainer, but that's not what I mean.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:06
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/Liam_O_Hare/status/878742036165394432 Our boy is clearly loving his weekend. "I'm far too responsible as a citizen to run through planted field" Magic. We backed the right horse, thread.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:08
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Mr. Nemo posted:How the gently caress would the EU would even react if after two years of extremely annoying negotiations Britain decided, you know what, this conditions suck, we take it back. Is that what Theresa May means by no deal is better than a bad deal? Is she a secret Remainer and we've been misjudging her? Well, we know she really is a Remainer, but that's not what I mean. my understanding of the process was once A50 is invoked you can be booted after 2 years whether you change your mind or not. whether the EU would have an interest in letting someone change their mind or not would probably be more important than statute though, and they have form for cutting off their nose to spite their face
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Jun 25, 2017 03:10
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Antares posted:my understanding of the process was once A50 is invoked you can be booted after 2 years whether you change your mind or not. whether the EU would have an interest in letting someone change their mind or not would probably be more important than statute though, and they have form for cutting off their nose to spite their face I think you're getting the relationship backwards here. The EU would be watching you guys hack chunks of your nose off slowly with a butter knife to spite them, while they just watched.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:13
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I like the part where they talk about how unaffordable it would be for organisers to pay festival staff under Labour changes and then point out how the tickets are 20 times more expensive in real times nowadays. Err. Lots of festival staff are NOT paid already - they get free tickets, usually for 3x 8 hour shifts which works out at about 8.30 an hour
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Jun 25, 2017 03:31
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JFairfax posted:Lots of festival staff are NOT paid already - they get free tickets, usually for 3x 8 hour shifts which works out at about 8.30 an hour That's because they can get away with it, not because they don't have the money.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:33
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spectralent posted:Remembrance day is, as you say, "war is shite let's not do it". The focus is on the horror of WW1 and the dead of all other wars, and the general terrible toll war's taken on us historically and will in future until it's futility is recognised. I am rather skeptical that armed forces day has much to do with post-employment care for ex soldiers as much as it is simply an unthinking celebration of how great it is to murder foreigners.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:41
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Nick Cohen: "Perhaps the clever thing to do is just give up on politics" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/24/should-we-give-up-on-politics-brexit-britain 
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Jun 25, 2017 03:41
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You know reading that, I just realised I have the mindset of a thumbperson hiding deep down in my psyche and it's political correctness gone mad that you can't tell people they're loving idiots for their political decisions and have them still vote for you.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:52
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not really much interested in live music tbh. loving hell man sort it out, live music is amazing. i cannot understand anyone being of this opinion
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Jun 25, 2017 03:59
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Neurolimal posted:To be fair AFAIK its just a nose-thumbing towards people who used it to insult him (I think?) before the election results. A sort of Daft Punk scenario. Answering this from a few pages ago (I keep an updated list of UKMT threads from doing a few OPs yonks ago): UKMT August 2015: Full Corbynism Now - The election itself UKMT September 2015: David Cameron hosed a Dead Pig - post election, swamped under Porcine relation allegations. And for completeness, everything that came before leading up to Corbyn, including the earliest attempts at smears and the tired old rehashed poo poo they kept flinging at him: UKMT May 2015: The Ed Wedding UKMT June 2015: RIP Charles Kennedy, Human Rights, Legal Highs UKMT July 2015: Where Everyone is Hot and Maoist And for anyone else who wishes to delve into the depths, here's a full list of UKMTs going back to 2010.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:00
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:That's because they can get away with it, not because they don't have the money. I was happy to volunteer as a campsite steward, to get a free ticket and the primary school I went to got cash from Eavis. people who work on commercial operations at the site get paid i.e. beer pullers etc but folks who do litter picking, and other festival stuff get free tickets and enjoy it. some of my friends do backstage stuff, sorting out riders for bands and dont get paid but get free tickets + back stage passes and are v. happy to do so.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:03
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JFairfax posted:I was happy to volunteer as a campsite steward, to get a free ticket and the primary school I went to got cash from Eavis. Right. But you shouldn't and they should be forced to conform with ir law regardless of whether you like the arrangement or not in order to protect people who don't want a worse arrangement.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:10
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JFairfax posted:loving hell man sort it out, live music is amazing. Eh, I've been to a couple of performances that other people enjoyed, just doesn't do anything for me really. Though I also tend to listen to music in addition to doing something else so it might be partly that I get a bit bored just standing around.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:11
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OwlFancier posted:Eh, I've been to a couple of performances that other people enjoyed, just doesn't do anything for me really. Dance?
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Jun 25, 2017 04:12
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Dance? Can't dance. Also if I could dance concerts are a bit packed for it.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:13
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OwlFancier posted:Can't dance. Well I mean it's more getting munted and then jumping in place, but I guess it's a sort of dance. But yeah fair enough, that would definitely put a dampener on enjoying live music. It's like a footy crowd. Your ape brain likes really large social rituals. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Jun 25, 2017 04:14
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OwlFancier posted:Can't dance. look most of us here are white but that's no excuse for not throwing shapes at a show
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Jun 25, 2017 04:15
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OwlFancier posted:Eh, I've been to a couple of performances that other people enjoyed, just doesn't do anything for me really. what music do you actually like?
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Jun 25, 2017 04:16
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Bit of everything, symphonic metal, some electronica, bits of old pop, some hip hop, classical, all sorts really. Anything that sounds good I guess.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:28
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JFairfax posted:have you ever been to a live hip hop show or a classical chamber music performance? No, though I did go to a gilbert and sullivan production once and that was ok.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:32
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OwlFancier posted:No, though I did go to a gilbert and sullivan production once and that was ok. okay, right well that is a musical and barely qualifies as live music as such are u trolling us right now?
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Jun 25, 2017 04:33
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right just watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBu2Dz9NZMI
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Jun 25, 2017 04:34
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It's a very good musical. Though I didn't find it much improved live.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:35
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JFairfax posted:right just watch this I did not have this with the pre-preamble, cheers. oh, I'm on the spectrum, so you might want to step back a little when throwing that around, ppl with the 'tism got soul yo.
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Jun 25, 2017 05:14
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Pistol_Pete posted:Nick Cohen: "Perhaps the clever thing to do is just give up on politics" I just wish poo poo heads like Joan Walch in America would post articles like this.
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Jun 25, 2017 05:22
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Finally got round to watching Corbs speaking at Glastonbury, and... drat. I had no idea I'd get so choked up when Jam-Master J said 'another world is possible'. Made me realise how dark my outlook has become since Brexit and Trump. Seeing someone sincere and passionate in front of such a gloriously huge and hopeful crowd tell us that things don't have to be this way was really powerful for me. This is what hope feels like, isn't it? Welcome back, old friend.
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Jun 25, 2017 05:31
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Hello brightness, my old friend. Much appreciated dude.
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Jun 25, 2017 05:41
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Pistol_Pete posted:Nick Cohen: "Perhaps the clever thing to do is just give up on politics" Perhaps we would all indeed be better off if takes this hot were kept from public consumption. JFairfax posted:loving hell man sort it out, live music is amazing. OwlFancier is far too moderate on this topic. Live music is absolutely loving shite. I cannot understand why concerts are even a thing. You're in a hot venue surrounded by countless other people. That's bad enough to make them truly hellish to begin with, but not only that, the music itself is inferior, with imperfections and interfering other sounds and speakers not tuned properly and mic feedback and people not knowing how to use a mic or singing while out of breath or whatever, you have no control over what songs they actually play, you can't change what's being played if your mood changes, you probably have to listen to some talentless wasters opening for whoever you're actually there to see, you've got listen to stupid platitudes about "Wow it's so great to be here in [Town]!" and "Are we having a good time?" and "this next song is bla bla bla" just get loving on with it, and not only can nobody dance but you are expected to as well, despite not enjoying it and not being any good at it. And people voluntarily pay and travel to and from places to do all this, it's mental.
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Well, I mean, if I come out and say all that I'll rightly be identified as a shut in with no friends.
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^^^ start a band and make other people listen to you!Mr. Nemo posted:How the gently caress would the EU would even react if after two years of extremely annoying negotiations Britain decided, you know what, this conditions suck, we take it back. Is that what Theresa May means by no deal is better than a bad deal? Is she a secret Remainer and we've been misjudging her? Well, we know she really is a Remainer, but that's not what I mean. Well she kept repeating "no deal is better than a bad deal" when Paxman was pushing her to say "yes I am prepared to take us out of the EU with no deal", or something like that. She really obviously didn't want to commit to it, even though she's been happy to heavily imply it - read into that what you will The EU (well some of its key people anyway) has been making a lot of positive noise about the possibility of the UK giving up on the whole idea, even saying things like a change of government would justify reversing article 50. Of course that really depends on what the rest of the EU decides - they're in a very strong negotiating position I've always thought there's a possibility for dual negotiations, if the EU really wants us to stay in - an exit deal, which will obviously be bad (especially if it's meant to be a disincentive) but also a remain deal, which would involve making some concessions to the UK. But it couldn't be a reward, and other nations would want something in exchange for supporting it - you'd be looking at some sweeping changes and basically a reform of the EU in many ways. As much a way of keeping it from falling apart as keeping us in I mean there are goons in this thread who know a lot about EU bureaucracy and even work in it, so they could probably say what the actual chances of this are. But Corbyn's position was always one of staying in the EU but with reforms to workers' rights, nationalisation restrictions, economic policy and the like. If the case can be made for a new Remain option, membership of a better EU, you might have a meaningful positive choice that demands another referendum, instead of 'uhhh we couldn't get a good deal from the EU should we just give up on Brexit then' and hoping it's negative enough to sway enough people And the majority does support going ahead with it right now, even where they think the referendum reached the wrong decision. So transforming 'overturn the vote' (which will draw anger like you've never seen and put remain voters on the defensive) into an assertive choice to move things forward in a positive, hopeful way that resonates with people right now - that would be helpful!
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