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Rust Martialis posted:Millennials: other people had it worse and whined less about it you annoying babies. "Just don't have it in them" from "And Keep Your Powder Dry" an example of the WWI generation's attitude of the WWII generation.
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Jealous Cow posted:https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/878959840378466304 I bet someone uses this as proof that 14 million people are getting abortions or contraceptives through the ACA expansion of medicaid.
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Rust Martialis posted:You don't get it maaaaan, how millennials are all doooooomed. Oh boy another person to tell me how entitled I am! Joy!!
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Jun 25, 2017 17:16
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Young Freud posted:Russia sure seems to think so. Why do you think they're in Ukraine and Ossetia? Or why they've always desired buffer states? Because they don't want to get stuck with rear end in a top hat border countries like North Korea that they can't control
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achillesforever6 posted:Yeah but its just not a good way to argue with my folks. Though my mom did reveal a big blindspot on me when she said, "For someone who hates the rich you sure do like going down to our family friend's million dollar house in Virgina near the bay". I know too many rich family friends and the worst part is it wouldn't be easy to cut ties off with most of them. Why would you hate "the rich"? I hate the things some rich people do with their riches. There's also a big difference between regular rich people and enormously rich people. I don't think that the guillotines need to come out for successful lawyers or dentists with net worth between 1m and 5m. Those are basically regular people who have very good lives. Those folks aren't the problem, and there's no reason to lump in your friend in a million dollar house with David loving Koch.
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as gently caress on facebook and I wasn't surprised one bit since he's a high end dentist.
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haveblue posted:Maybe if they were all fired directly at Yellowstone but it's a wilderness area hundreds of miles from any strategic targets. Majorian posted:A Russian analyst suggested this a couple years ago, but it's unlikely to work. Neither the US nor Russia have bunker busters that would dig deep enough. Hellblazer187 posted:Why would you hate "the rich"? I hate the things some rich people do with their riches. There's also a big difference between regular rich people and enormously rich people. I don't think that the guillotines need to come out for successful lawyers or dentists with net worth between 1m and 5m. Those are basically regular people who have very good lives. Those folks aren't the problem, and there's no reason to lump in your friend in a million dollar house with David loving Koch. 
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Jun 25, 2017 17:18
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/politico/status/878957209761271809 This was a few pages ago, but...yeah. We sure can't have anything like that. Right, Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell Jr. and Mike Pence?
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Jun 25, 2017 17:19
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When I was a grad student I had to teach sociology of medicine about four or five times and it was mind boggling how many students at a respected state university couldn't understand the basics of how healthcare works. Half of them were usually even pre med. But like, the basic idea that making sure there are more people insured especially if they are healthy lowering overall costs was beyond them. Dont expect anyone who thinks Obamacare bad/Trump good to be convinced otherwise with any sort of evidence.
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Jun 25, 2017 17:21
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Rich people are a good source of tax money to help poor people. (AKA I am a liberal, not a socialist)
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Mulaney Power Move posted:When I was a grad student I had to teach sociology of medicine about four or five times and it was mind boggling how many students at a respected state university couldn't understand the basics of how healthcare works. Half of them were usually even pre med. But like, the basic idea that making sure there are more people insured especially if they are healthy lowering overall costs was beyond them. Dont expect anyone who thinks Obamacare bad/Trump good to be convinced otherwise with any sort of evidence. It's just a function of people don't know about it until they have to use it. I worked in mental health for years but didn't really fully understand how much things cost until I had a seizure and was diagnosed with epilepsy at 33. I figured my insurance would take care of everything but the ambulance cost 1k, and the hospital stay + surgeries from tearing my rotator cuff and breaking my finger ended up being ~10k. That was with insurance. I think it's also why the republican's might get away with it, for a while. Everyone has had some familial experience with health care but it really hits when you get hurt and you are writing the checks.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:When I was a grad student I had to teach sociology of medicine about four or five times and it was mind boggling how many students at a respected state university couldn't understand the basics of how healthcare works. Half of them were usually even pre med. But like, the basic idea that making sure there are more people insured especially if they are healthy lowering overall costs was beyond them. Dont expect anyone who thinks Obamacare bad/Trump good to be convinced otherwise with any sort of evidence. Although not completely analogous, the old "strength in numbers" mantra is rather fitting and I don't understand either why people can't make the connection even when you break it down into wording that simple.
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Captain Invictus posted:And while I'm certainly pro-guillotine, not all of the super rich are monsters made flesh like the Kochs. Bill Gates isn't flawless but he's helped a lot of people. Paul Newman has helped a lot of folks through his Newman's Own brand, too. While he was alive, anyways. Yeah, Bill Gates owns. Saying the rich should pay more taxes to help the poor, and saying that the Kochs are cancer, isn't the same as "hating the rich." It's dumb to hate the rich.
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mcmagic posted:Basically what republicans in DC want to do is so craven, demented and evil that when told about it, their voters literally won't believe it's true because it's too craven, demented and evil to be true. We ran into this problem while explaining Ryan's Medicare vouchers in the 2012 election. The concept that grandma could simply "run out" of healthcare in the middle of the year and be forced into self-pay for medical care was seen as ludicrous; that's too brazenly evil, you must be lying about what Ryancare actually does, etc. BCRA though, if it passes, is going to directly affect a lot of the rural white voters that make up Trump's base. A lot of GOP politicians in these areas run on "making sure the wrong sort of people don't get government help" and they nod along, because their voters know exactly what that means. But when your grandson loses Medicaid coverage because BCRA annihilated federal funding and the blame lies solely on the politicians you voted into office, who knows what will happen.
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Potential BFF posted:A war with Iran would be such a profound clusterfuck that a sick little piece of my mind is intrigued at the prospect. The first antiship missile slamming into an oil tanker and the subsequent $10/gal gas would be a hell of a thing to behold. I kinda wonder how Russia would think about that scenario. On the one hand, they are allies to Iran. On the other hand, a war which blocks the Suez canal and basically destroys middle eastern oil exports, would be a mayor boon for the Russians dying economy. Maybe they would support Iran, just to escalate it further. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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There Bias Two posted:Kindly gently caress off with your moronic nay-saying. "There will never be another Great War!" said many right before the bombs dropped on their cities. Yeah, but in this case it's a country with everything to lose dropping a nuke/starting a war with another powerhouse nation for literally no reason because some fat orange fucker bitched about that country to drum support from his unhinged base
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Mulaney Power Move posted:When I was a grad student I had to teach sociology of medicine about four or five times and it was mind boggling how many students at a respected state university couldn't understand the basics of how healthcare works. Half of them were usually even pre med. But like, the basic idea that making sure there are more people insured especially if they are healthy lowering overall costs was beyond them. Dont expect anyone who thinks Obamacare bad/Trump good to be convinced otherwise with any sort of evidence. I have a buddy who was talking about his young impoverished brother being forced to pay $400/mo under the ACA. Obviously that's not true or he picked a nonsensical plan, but I ignored that part of the argument and suggested hey wouldn't it be great if we had a single payer system instead of forced private insurance? And despite gently trying to explain that it would obviously be cheaper to pay for healthcare without guaranteeing a private middleman a profit, he was incapable of imagining a system where taxes pay for medicine. And then to top it all off his final words on the topic were something about how his brother was paying more into insurance than he's getting out and that's just not fair! That's how insurance works man! What the poo poo
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The Phlegmatist posted:We ran into this problem while explaining Ryan's Medicare vouchers in the 2012 election. The concept that grandma could simply "run out" of healthcare in the middle of the year and be forced into self-pay for medical care was seen as ludicrous; that's too brazenly evil, you must be lying about what Ryancare actually does, etc. They won't understand and they won't care.
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Rust Martialis posted:You don't get it maaaaan, how millennials are all doooooomed. Just put him on Ignore. He's a troll.
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Oxxidation posted:They won't understand and they won't care. But they will die.
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Rust Martialis posted:You don't get it maaaaan, how millennials are all doooooomed. The presumption that millennials have never opened a history book is exactly as stupid as the very thing you are accusing them of.
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The Phlegmatist posted:We ran into this problem while explaining Ryan's Medicare vouchers in the 2012 election. The concept that grandma could simply "run out" of healthcare in the middle of the year and be forced into self-pay for medical care was seen as ludicrous; that's too brazenly evil, you must be lying about what Ryancare actually does, etc. Well you see the BCRA was a direct response to OBAMACARE which would of completely bankrupted the entire country and took away everyone's job because something something SOCIALISM so Trump had absolutely no choice but to cut Medicaid to save the country!
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-health-care-bill-mean_us_594fb481e4b0da2c731c1b1c?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009 Skip to about 20 seconds in, when Trump is talking. He's BRIGHT RED now.
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Oxxidation posted:They won't understand and they won't care. It's very hard to understand if you are spoken to with concepts you haven't internalized.
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enraged_camel posted:Trump's grudges are legendary. He gets offended at the slightest perceived insult and does his best to gently caress the other person in revenge, sometimes years later. This. Check out his book where he brags about destroying some woman's life because she wouldn't do something manipulative for him so he could avoid responsibility. He spent years dragging her life into the gutter. He's a loving scumbag and if daddy had any morals would have taken Donny over his knee and beat him with a rubber hose decades ago
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Dmitri-9 posted:Even if they defeated the Iranian military and the Revolutionary Guard, the Mahdi Army would just cross the border and then we get to fight the middle part of Operation Iraqi Freedom again. It'd be the middle part of OIF again but with a country that has 3x the population and they're not divided at all
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Eeyo posted:I wonder if Trump could be convinced to veto? He's said it's "mean", maybe if there was enough noise about how the veto is one of the most powerful tools a president has to shape legislation and Trump hasn't been using that power to the fullest extent. Then make it about Obama using his power to veto, and how Trump needs a show of force. He won't because he can't pass responsibility if he did
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Hellblazer187 posted:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-health-care-bill-mean_us_594fb481e4b0da2c731c1b1c?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009 He seems like he's straining in general. Just looks like absolute poo poo. And this is, I assume, with some very skilled people trying their damndest to make him look as good as possible.
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The amount of just straight up lying on the sunday shows today is high even by this admin's standards https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/879018377951555585 https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/879000887171088385
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Mendrian posted:The presumption that millennials have never opened a history book is exactly as stupid as the very thing you are accusing them of. Meanwhile the risk to the species from Climate Change is larger than the risk to the species from nuclear war ever was.
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BiggerBoat posted:I'm actually beginning to wonder if there's really something to the hacking and the database breaches that genuinely does influence the vote tabulations. If one were to manipulate votes, they'd do it in a way that wouldn't seem TOO obvious, like the Idiocracy plan where they steal percentages of pennies. They'd peel off a small percentage of votes and influence relatively close precincts and blocs, not change areas where's there's a 10% point swing. Consistently winning districts where the polls turned out to be off by 4-6%, in along with being a tad suspicious, also has the added effect of discrediting the media, whom we know the GOP hates. Whoah, d you have a link on that "Trump winning EVERY close State in 2016 by incredibly small margins" because that suspicious as all hell. EDIT: Okay, I've found this article, Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin quote:As the 2016 election results played out, observers on both sides were shocked that Donald Trump won four key swing states – Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin – where Hillary Clinton had been heavily favored. She had seemingly locked up Florida with early voting alone, and the other three have all reliably gone blue for a generation. But more suspicious than the fact that Trump won these states was the fact that he won them all by the same margin. That's some pretty frightening stuff, so why hasn't it been shouted from the rafters?
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Tatsuta Age posted:The amount of just straight up lying on the sunday shows today is high even by this admin's standards Nobody loses the opportunity for coverage, and technically the states retain the option to maintain Medicaid coverage at current levels.
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Tatsuta Age posted:The amount of just straight up lying on the sunday shows today is high even by this admin's standards gently caress it, it'll probably work better to just outright lie than to try to stretch the truth or avoid it. Just lie.
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Unless you can direct the force of the explosion the energy from it will just take the easiest path. Hell, if they dug craters when they went off Nevada would be a huge hole in the ground by now
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Gorilla Salad posted:Whoah, d you have a link on that "Trump winning EVERY close State in 2016 by incredibly small margins" because that suspicious as all hell. It can't be proven except by a large scale federal investigation, and guess who would have to authorize that?
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empty whippet box posted:gently caress it, it'll probably work better to just outright lie than to try to stretch the truth or avoid it. Just lie. It works for Trump - so why not everyone else?
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Rip Testes posted:I'm trying to search for news articles that tout the benefits of the AHCA and how it would be superior to Obamacare and I'm not having any luck whatever combo of terms I string together They're way easier to find if you view killing poor people as a benefit.
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Gorilla Salad posted:
If the official investigators are finding evidence like this, they will keep it close to the vest to prevent the subjects from preparing a corroborated defesne. They'd take damning info, and before the subjects have an opportunity to agree on a story, interview them separately to shake out the lies or inconsistencies which will then also be used as clues. The news media wants you to believe that their lack of new info on the Russia investigation means something. It doesn't.
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empty whippet box posted:gently caress it, it'll probably work better to just outright lie than to try to stretch the truth or avoid it. Just lie. Lying probably is the best strategy for them at this point. After all, the media's not going to call them out on it, and even if they do, the GOP can just attack them for being "biased".
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