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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Pershing posted:Charged=guilty? Really? Your posting=bad? Really
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Pershing posted:Charged=guilty? Really? hahaahhahaahahahahahahaha yeah because a member of the catholic clergy would never gently caress kids. okay okay. let's give the man the benefit of the doubt. he is innocent until proven guilty. but he is a loving nonce.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:07
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number one pta fan posted:https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/880406951158583296 apparently Stella can still force this to go to a vote if she wants... I would like to see that e/ Hammond says government will give grants to charities to fund abortions for women from Northern Ireland In the Commons Stella Creasy has just asked Philip Hammond, the chancellor, about the abortion promise. She said it cost women from Northern Ireland £1,400 to get an abortion in England. She said the government’s promise to correct this injustice was “welcome”. But the devil was in the detail, she said. She asked if Hammond would agree to meet her and campaigners to ensure that what the government is offering meets what is required. Hammond said Creasy needed to read the letter that Justine Greening will be sending out. He said the Treasury will give extra money to the equalities office “so that she can make a grant to the external organisations who will provide these services”. He said he thought Creasy would be satisfied by this. If she was not, he would be happy to meet her, he said.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:08
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https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/880397939549634560 gently caress's sake.
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/880397939549634560 you can't stay in the single market and have brexit.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:10
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And just when Labour were looking almost organised. Ahh well.
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waffle posted:holy poo poo jam man really is prime minister Corbyn didn't sign the amendment nor did I hear him say anything about it 
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JFairfax posted:you can't stay in the single market and have brexit. Norway says hi. Remember when even the most ardent Leavers were in support of the single market? Good times.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:11
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The most striking thing to me about this latest vatican scandal is not that God's no.3 is a nonce (wbich i take as a given) but that God's no.3 is a bank manager.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:13
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WMain00 posted:And just when Labour were looking almost organised. lol they are going to look organised with a 3 line whip, we saw that supporting brexit is not actually a toxic issue for labour on the door step. so what's the problem. TinTower posted:Norway says hi. Norway was never a member of the EU and the situations cannot be compared, you should know better than that. you do not get free access to single market without freedom of movement. that's the whole fecking point.
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Pershing posted:Charged=guilty? Really?
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kustomkarkommando posted:Corbyn didn't sign the amendment nor did I hear him say anything about it Yeah, this was a backbench victory, across all parties (except the DUP)
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Jun 29, 2017 14:15
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JFairfax posted:you do not get free access to single market without freedom of movement. that's the whole fecking point. I'm failing to see how this is an argument against the single market.
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communism bitch posted:The most striking thing to me about this latest vatican scandal is not that God's no.3 is a nonce (wbich i take as a given) but that God's no.3 is a bank manager. well the catholic church has at least $8bn in assets so you know, need someone to keep track of that.
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TinTower posted:I'm failing to see how this is an argument against the single market. it's not an argument against the single market but as we've discussed ad nauseum, there was a vote to brexit, if you don't leave the single market and curtail freedom of movement you've not brexited. the best tack at this point is to go through the whole negotiation process, lay it on the table then put whether to accept the deal or not to the british people.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:17
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/880397939549634560 Wow, you're pretending to be shocked by this? OK. Cool. Totally dumb but ok
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Jun 29, 2017 14:17
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Strategically I think using a three line whip either way is better than allowing a free vote, honestly--too many MPs risk pissing off their remain vote in leave constituencies so a three line whip gives them some cover.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:17
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waffle posted:Strategically I think using a three line whip either way is better than allowing a free vote, honestly--too many MPs risk pissing off their remain vote in leave constituencies so a three line whip gives them some cover. plus the MPs who are voting on this won just their seats, after a 3 line whip by corbyn supporting brexit prior to the election. it shouldn't be a prob for them.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:18
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communism bitch posted:The most striking thing to me about this latest vatican scandal is not that God's no.3 is a nonce (wbich i take as a given) but that God's no.3 is a bank manager. For extra fun, have a read about Roberto Calvi, God's Banker. Didn't end well. If by 'found hanging under a bridge over the Thames with pockets stuffed with bricks and 15k in cash' counts as 'not well'.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:18
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JFairfax posted:well the catholic church has at least $8bn in assets so you know, need someone to keep track of that. Ha ha ha, don't be stupid. That 8 billion figure is just the bank. Their real assets at the low end still break the tens of billions of dollars.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:19
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Mulva posted:Ha ha ha, don't be stupid. well yeah, the $8bn figure sounded low for them given how long they've been operating and they have land all over the world and gold and slush funds for kiddie diddlers.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:21
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TinTower posted:I'm failing to see how this is an argument against the single market. While the free movement of people is fine, the only movement of capital should be the movement forced by gravity when a head is severed from a neck.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:21
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JFairfax posted:the best tack at this point is to go through the whole negotiation process, lay it on the table then put whether to accept the deal or not to the british people. A second referendum, like all referendums, is completely stupid. forkboy84 posted:Wow, you're pretending to be shocked by this? OK. Cool. Totally dumb but ok I'm not shocked, I'm disappointed. The Labour vote mirrored the Remain vote pretty drat closely. Completely stupid. forkboy84 posted:The argument against the single market is that it revolves around the four freedoms, of a goods, capital, service & labour. Literally nobody is proposing leaving the single market because of the free movement of capital, goods, or services though.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:23
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TinTower posted:A second referendum, like all referendums, is completely stupid. I think putting the agreed brexit to the public to ratify is not the worst idea, as there is something solid to argue for against and we will have an actual idea of what brexit looks like. Labour three lined whip for the implementation of article 50, supporting brexit is not hurting their electoral chances. I mean look at the huge surge in lib dem vote at the election, clearly there is a massive demand for not brexiting.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:26
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This is stupid even for a liberal. "Literally nobody"? Funny, I know at least two people. gosh, that was hard to disprove. Are you just hearing about the left wing case for leaving the EU now? Was your head shoved that far up your arse during the referendum campaign?
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Jun 29, 2017 14:30
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How the gently caress does anyone look at the recent history of referendums in the UK and rest of the world and think "What we need more of is referendums!"
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Jun 29, 2017 14:33
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Jun 29, 2017 14:36
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MikeCrotch posted:How the gently caress does anyone look at the recent history of referendums in the UK and rest of the world and think "What we need more of is referendums!" the gay referendum in ireland went well I think that putting the final brexit agreement to the public and going 'are you really loving sure?' would be the right thing to do. and really loving funny when people still vote for brexit.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:37
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forkboy84 posted:This is stupid even for a liberal. "Literally nobody"? Funny, I know at least two people. gosh, that was hard to disprove. Are you just hearing about the left wing case for leaving the EU now? Was your head shoved that far up your arse during the referendum campaign? Lexit is stupid even compared to other forms of Brexit. That said, nearly half of Labour voters this year don't want any sort of Brexit. Only a quarter of Labour voters want a Hard Brexit.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:42
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So what happens now with Creasy's amendment? Presumably even the Tories aren't stupid enough to vote against it after publically declaring that they support the idea.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:42
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There isn't anything to lose by holding a referendum on Brexit that says, "Are you SURE you want to gently caress the country into a cocked hat?" Referendums in general are pretty dumb though, especially if you make the impossible-to-implement-well choice require the same number of votes as the status quo. If Cameron had had half a brain he'd have had the Leave choice require a 60-40 majority in order to count. Julio Cruz posted:So what happens now with Creasy's amendment? Presumably even the Tories aren't stupid enough to vote against it after publically declaring that they support the idea. If the first legislative outcome of my vote for Jeremy Corbyn is that nine hundred thousand Northern Irish women get free access to abortions, I'm happy with that. Gort fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Julio Cruz posted:So what happens now with Creasy's amendment? Presumably even the Tories aren't stupid enough to vote against it after publically declaring that they support the idea. if Creasey accepts the government's proposal she will withdraw her amendment
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Jun 29, 2017 14:44
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TinTower posted:Lexit is stupid even compared to other forms of Brexit. Remember when your leader campaigned on stopping brexit and still did fuckin terrible lol
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Jun 29, 2017 14:45
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Tesseraction posted:Remember when your leader campaigned on stopping brexit and still did fuckin terrible lol
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Jun 29, 2017 14:46
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Like parliamentary coalitions, I think referendums are fine in theory and the UK just needs to figure out how not to be poo poo at them.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:50
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jBrereton posted:Remember when your decision led to a DUP government lol so far the DUP govt has got more money for Norn, northern irish women able to get abortions on NHS and a potential reverse on the public sector pay cap lol
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Jun 29, 2017 14:51
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The government's proposal, which is to funnel money into charities which will then decide how it is dispersed, is piss-poor and still leaves NI taxpayers as second class citizens in the National Health Service. It is a shameful alternative to full rights.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:53
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If the government accepts Creasey's proposal without an amendment I don't see that she can really force a vote on it. It really would be an unacceptable case of party politics to risk Northern Irish women not getting free abortion access just to make the Tories look bad. e: ^^ of course if they're just offering a watered down version that won't actually be effective that's a different story
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JFairfax posted:apparently Stella can still force this to go to a vote if she wants... I would like to see that It would be a gamble and would be severely letting down the women she claims to want to help if she did that.
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Sarah Bellum posted:The government's proposal, which is to funnel money into charities which will then decide how it is dispersed, is piss-poor and still leaves NI taxpayers as second class citizens in the National Health Service. It Oh, gently caress that then. Relying on charity is an admission that the state has failed.
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