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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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i know May has no power MP's but surely she can get these fucks in line
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Jun 29, 2017 20:02
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Kegluneq posted:Andy Slaughter, who previously resigned from the Shadow Cabinet in June 2016.
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Sarah Bellum posted:There's a Lady Garden? Baroness Blood is real. Rumour has it she's several centuries old, gone insane, and that peasant girls go mysteriously missing from her employ. Rumours that I started just now, on this forum.  GIS for Lady Garden is surprisingly less NSFW than I expected.
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Coohoolin posted:This is me. Likewise. It seems to me that the only hope for English and Welsh remainers is to migrate to Scotland and join Scottish remainers in campaigning for the SNP and a Second Independence Referendum, with a view to Scotland joining the EU after independence.
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Lord_Adonis posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/29/jeremy-corbyn-sacks-three-frontbenchers-after-single-market-vote hard brexit is happening. if we're lucky we'll stay in the customs union
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Jose posted:hard brexit is happening. if we're lucky we'll stay in the customs union Whom the gods destroy, they first make mad.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:10
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i wish it wasn't but since may got into power and the tories decided to keep her in power until post brexit its happening
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Jun 29, 2017 20:10
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Julio Cruz posted:
What a lovely, well kept Lady Garden.
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Bobstar posted:Less suggestive, but Lord Judge is also amusing His full title at at one point in his career was The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge. He was born plain old Igor Judge.
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Lord_Adonis posted:Likewise. It seems to me that the only hope for English and Welsh remainers is to migrate to Scotland and join Scottish remainers in campaigning for the SNP and a Second Independence Referendum, with a view to Scotland joining the EU after independence. Scottish independence is bad for Scotland in the same way that Brexit is bad for the U.K. Only worse.
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Sarah Bellum posted:What a lovely, well kept Lady Garden. This Lady Garden has clearly seen better days but at least there appears to be some regular maintenance taking place. TheHoodedClaw posted:His full title at at one point in his career was The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge. He was born plain old Igor Judge. This is peak nominative determinism.
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Pissflaps posted:Scottish independence is bad for Scotland in the same way that Brexit is bad for the U.K. Only worse. it'll provide some humour for those of us south of the border
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Jun 29, 2017 20:16
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It should be noted Andy Slaughter was appropriately enough shadow housing secretary.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:16
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baka kaba posted:Heh, never attribute to malice what yovbcvjhstipdty!!!!!!!! I get that, but thankfully this thread isn't a Labour political committee so there's no need to pretend that Brexit is actually a great thing. I'm not asking Labour to change it's official stance or condemning them for it or anything. Either way it's done now, but I won't be call it a success for socialism just because Brexit won.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:17
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Andy Slaughter pronounces it like 'laughter' but with an s at the front.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:17
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It would be interesting to have had a survey of those in the crowd at Glastonbury and ask them what they think Labour's position on Brexit is.
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Pissflaps posted:It would be interesting to have had a survey of those in the crowd at Glastonbury and ask them what they think Labour's position on Brexit is. You'd have to be pretty deep in the tank to thibk it's anything other than hard brexit and some fantasy nationalist socialism on the agenda
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Pissflaps posted:Andy Slaughter pronounces it like 'laughter' but with an s at the front. and like the former US speaker john boehner he's wrong
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Jun 29, 2017 20:20
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There's not even any of the fake fairer on Indian immigrants stuff we got from the brexiters.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:21
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Pissflaps posted:It would be interesting to have had a survey of those in the crowd at Glastonbury and ask them what they think Labour's position on Brexit is. What would be interesting about it?
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Jun 29, 2017 20:21
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Pissflaps posted:Andy Slaughter pronounces it like 'laughter' but with an s at the front. Can you provide a link to back up this claim?
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JFairfax posted:What would be interesting about it? Because i don't think many people understand that Labour is pro hard Brexit.
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pointsofdata posted:You'd have to be pretty deep in the tank to thibk it's anything other than hard brexit and some fantasy nationalist socialism on the agenda I don't think Jeremy Corbyn is a nazi.
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pointsofdata posted:I mean they do it so most must think it's better than their existing alternatives. And some people do want to live in London! It's got a lot going for it like a vibrant cultural scene, a large LGBT community, lots of good universities, is safer for women and minorities than most other cities, interesting and varied jobs. I second Jose's "lol" and add in a "wut". Now I loved living in London, especially the part where we dossed on the floor of an affordable housing flat in St. James' park. All of the above applies to that. It does however, not apply to where I moved next which was Brixton. London is a city where you pay through the nose to live in the nice posh bits and receive the kind of lifestyle that the average poor person is used to in small northern towns, but we get less art and theatre. I am sick to the back teeth of the London centric media hammering home this narrative of people north of Birmingham being pig ignorent homophobic racists. Our old people are racist and so are yours. I've never seen homophobia and it's common to see gay couples on the street, the north got over it, and a lot of that was to do with all the work they did with aids awareness in secondary schools in the mid to late 90s onwards, speaking of which. State schools in inner cities are always going to be terrible, you think I wanted my kids going to school in Brixton? gently caress that, I'll take worse architecture and culture if it means being in a school with no knife crime and much better exam results.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:24
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OwlFancier posted:I don't think Jeremy Corbyn is a nazi. Neither do i
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Pissflaps posted:Because i don't think many people understand that Labour is pro hard Brexit. I think most people understand that a soft brexit without leaving the single market and without restricting freedom of movement isn't actually brexit. The EU has repeatedly stated that this is not an option. We cannot pick and choose which elements we want. It's all or nothing. Soft brexit is a lie.
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OwlFancier posted:I don't think Jeremy Corbyn is a nazi. He totes is
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JFairfax posted:I think most people understand that a soft brexit without leaving the single market and without restricting freedom of movement isn't actually brexit. Well, Farage would agree with you I suppose. Staying in the single market is an option.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:25
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I think Labour is pro brexit but that what we actually get will depend on negotiations. Whereas the tories can't negotiate because they're idiots.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:26
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pointsofdata posted:There's not even any of the fake fairer on Indian immigrants stuff we got from the brexiters. Not because any of the parties have it in their manifestos, but because lol if you think India is going to sign a decent trade deal with post-Brexit Britain without it happening.
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Julio Cruz posted:Can you provide a link to back up this claim? No, I didn't think you could. Back on ignore you go.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:27
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TheHoodedClaw posted:His full title at at one point in his career was The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge. He was born plain old Igor Judge. Ah an Igor. Always happy to lend a hand in court.
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Pissflaps posted:Well, Farage would agree with you I suppose. The EU has said that we cannot maintain access to the single market without the accepting all four freedoms. This notion of soft brexit is delusional. That's why brexit was such a loving stupid idea.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:28
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JFairfax posted:The EU has said that we cannot maintain access to the single market without the accepting all four freedoms. Yes we could leave the EU, accept the four freedoms and retain membership of the single market. That would be a soft Brexit.
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Pissflaps posted:Andy Slaughter pronounces it like 'laughter' but with an s at the front. Nope. https://youtu.be/PxzjEZ0u2Pc?t=31m26s
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Pissflaps posted:Yes we could leave the EU, accept the four freedoms and retain membership of the single market. That would be a soft Brexit. It would barely qualify as a brexit and would be loving idiotic, we would have to be subject to all the rules without being able to be a part of forming them. I'm coming to the opinion that soft brexit would be worse than a hard brexit. Best of all would be staying in but a soft brexit will just be pointless.
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JFairfax posted:It would barely qualify as a brexit and would be loving idiotic, we would have to be subject to all the rules without being able to be a part of forming them. This thread has gone stupid. Like, really loving dumb.
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