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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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staberind posted:so, its like Brexit then. Where's my Cool Brexit merch?
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Lord_Adonis posted:Tautology. destiny. baka kaba posted:Where's my Cool Brexit merch? 
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Back during the labour leadership elections someone in one of these threads posted about McDonnell and Corbyn favouring a potential federalised Europe, not just the EU members but a furtherance of the internationalist European ideal rather than the EU's neo-liberal take on selective globalism. Are there any good sources to read more details on that because all I can find is basic stuff about the single market preventing nationalisation and risks to the NHS under CETA
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Jun 29, 2017 22:25
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Lord_Adonis posted:Tautology.
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staberind posted:so how do we go about obliterating this escapegoat? I have no idea.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:25
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Lord_Adonis posted:I'm not sure if you are arguing for or against interpersonal civility and respect? If you are suggesting that minorities are more likely to suffer scapegoating by association, then I agree, and we should all make an effort to relate to other people with respect. I am saying that it is manifestly less of a problem when someone makes fun of say, me, for being British, here in Britain, than it is for when someone makes fun of something for being Pakistani, in Britain. And that trying to say "we should all care about all infringements on politeness" is essentially #alllivesmatter and is stupid for the same reasons. I am arguing against your attempt to draw equivalence.
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I don't think it's a tautology for me to be motivated by a wanker's posting being a wanker's posting when I post about wanky posts being wanky
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Jun 29, 2017 22:26
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If you think that public opinion might turn against Brexit enough to prevent it then Labour is your only option. I don't want Brexit any more than Corbyn wants Trident. But we both recognise the political reality of living in a democratic system. Especially when there's just been a loving referendum.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:27
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Lord_Adonis posted:Tautology. It is though, in all possible worlds you post like a wanker.
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If I told pissflaps he was wrong it would be because pissflaps is wrong. That would be my motivation.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:If I told pissflaps he was wrong it would be because pissflaps is wrong. That would be my motivation. I hope you like the sound of goalposts moving!
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:If I reminded pissflaps he was wrong it would be because pissflaps is wrong. That would be my motivation.
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Unsuprisingly, the EU think our offer to protect EU citizen rights after Brexit is a load of cack
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OwlFancier posted:I am saying that it is manifestly less of a problem when someone makes fun of say, me, for being British, here in Britain, than it is for when someone makes fun of something for being Pakistani, in Britain. I'm not sure why concern for one case should necessarily negate concern for another case. Also, what do you mean by #alllivesmatter?
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Rygar201 posted:It is though, in all possible worlds you post like a wanker. this is 10600% better when readin in the voice of yoda "flagrante"
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Rygar201 posted:It is though, in all possible worlds you post like a wanker. Then think yourself fortunate that your association with me ends when you turn off your computer.
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Lord_Adonis posted:I'm not sure why concern for one case should necessarily negate concern for another case. Also, what do you mean by #alllivesmatter? what are the names and addresses & most memorable moments, to you personally, of everone that died today?
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Lord_Adonis posted:I'm not sure why concern for one case should necessarily negate concern for another case. Also, what do you mean by #alllivesmatter? People who responded to black lives matter by saying it was actually racist because all lives matter, silly black people. As if to suggest there wasn't a systemic mass murdering of black people by the state going on, suggesting that black people might be the only ones whose lives the country needed reminding of the importance of.
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baka kaba posted:Where's my Cool Brexit merch? Oh here it is       Seeing this display of raw creativity has convinced me Britain is ready to take on the world
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staberind posted:what are the names and addresses & most memorable moments, to you personally, of everone that died today? Could you elaborate?
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Kegluneq posted:Andy Slaughter, who previously resigned from the Shadow Cabinet in June 2016. Shadow Cabinet member Slaughter of Hammersmith, Lord of the South, Axeman of the Queen, and Scourge of the Dwarves.
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baka kaba posted:Oh here it is Every time a person sees these pictures a volume of Byron is erased from existence. A Hogarth print bursts into flames.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:38
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baka kaba posted:Oh here it is Jesus Christ I'm now officially pro-remain, loving hell
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I dunno the brexit pocket polo looks like it had some serious engineering behind it to make sure the decal always faces the viewer perfectly.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:40
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Lord_Adonis posted:Likewise. It seems to me that the only hope for English and Welsh remainers is to migrate to Scotland and join Scottish remainers in campaigning for the SNP and a Second Independence Referendum, with a view to Scotland joining the EU after independence. Brexit is happening. No one here is pro brexit.
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Tesseraction posted:Jesus Christ
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OwlFancier posted:People who responded to black lives matter by saying it was actually racist because all lives matter, silly black people. Ok, I have heard of this Black Lives Matter movement, although honestly I don't know much about it. If Black People are being mass murdered in a country, then Black Lives Matter is no doubt appropriate. Still, one can be concerned about ones own problems as well as those of others. I do not seek to trivialise the victims of one form of abuse by being concerned about abuse that is relevant to myself. I am not asking for changes of legislation to be made in my case, all I am asking for is civil and respectful interaction.
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Lord_Adonis posted:Could you elaborate? Yes i could but you would become bored of the explanation and there simply is not room on your mind to express any empathy with everyone, like myself and everyone else on the surface of this specific planet. the point being is, as mentioned above, black lives matter, highlights the fact that killing browns is an issue of minor importance (italics again to make it bloody clear that although this is the status quo, I am vehemently opposed to it.)
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R. Mute posted:Bit late for that, isn't it, Tess? My actual view hasn't changed 
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I think if your takeaway from racism is that the problem is that it's not polite then you've taken away the wrong thing.
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& I know that if you cant take the bants, you should shuffle on, cap in hand. (in addition to the above, not opposed to)
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staberind posted:Yes i could but you would become bored of the explanation and there simply is not room on your mind to express any empathy with everyone, like myself and everyone else on the surface of this specific planet. I agree that it is a matter of importance. I have no problem with Black Lives Matter, whether it is a statement or organisation (I'm afraid that I don't know much about it). I agree that expressing empathy with 6 billion other people simultaneously can be difficult, and that one has to prioritise such feelings. If Black people are being mass murdered in a given community, then I can see this being a priority for said community. However, one can still be partially concerned by ones own problems simultaneously.
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OwlFancier posted:I dunno the brexit pocket polo looks like it had some serious engineering behind it to make sure the decal always faces the viewer perfectly. The same technology is being used to build a giant Nigel at Dover that always faces wherever Juncker currently is Even after he's retired, the Eyes of Farage will be upon him, until his death and beyond
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baka kaba posted:The same technology is being used to build a giant Nigel at Dover that always faces wherever Juncker currently is That has some interesting metaphysical implications when he dies, depending on what the statue does. My money's on it going cock eyed.
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OwlFancier posted:I think if your takeaway from racism is that the problem is that it's not polite then you've taken away the wrong thing. Not at all. There are many problems with racism, I was simply talking about civility and respect in interpersonal relationships.
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TinTower posted:This is bollocks. Labour voters are overwhelmingly anti-Hard Brexit. Almost half of them are No-Brexit-At-All. Yes, we've done this one already. I'm anti Brexit too. But it's not actually all that important in the scheme of things compared to the other poo poo on the Labour manifesto. And it's a safe bed that's the same for most other "overwhelmingly anti Brexit" Labour voters because if they cared that much about stopping Brexit they'd have voted for the Lib Dems, a party who lost more deposits than Labour won seats despite trying to make it like Brexit was the only important issue in the election. I hate to sound like a broken record but apparently everyone else is doing that poo poo about Brexit so what the hell? WE LOST THE loving REFERENDUM. If the thumb people would be happy with the Norway deal then they'd have never voted for Brexit in the first place, because the Norway deal is worse in every way than staying in the loving EU. You get no say in the trade agreements or anything. It's a loving stupid compromise that pleases nobody except the cunts who love as few barriers for capital as possible. How does this address the thumb person complaint about ARE SOVRENTEE? It doesn't. All it will do is save UKIP from their extinction, radicalise even more cunts into fash, it's not a good idea? Norway has no say in EU laws but has to follow a considerable number of them. Norway is in Schengen which we wouldn't even agree to when we were in the EU. Norway still pays in to the EU fund for redistribution to less developed EU countries. Norway is a member of the EDA, which at one point the Conservatives were talking about leaving even before the stupid referendum. These aren't things I'm opposed to personally (well, not having a say in laws you have to abide by is spectacularly stupid) but good luck selling that particular deal to the electorate without facing massive backlash. I'm also not totally OK with the idea of so much money being redistributed to less developed EU countries when there are far poorer countries out there who have a far more urgent need for money (not terrible IMF/World Bank loans) for development where the population happens to not be majority white. But that's the problem with the EU. Sure, they are our biggest trade partners, but the Single Market does not do great things for other nations. And if you can't see why that'd be a problem for internationalists then I guess you carry on whining about national socialists like that's a hilarious burn & not you sounding like a prat. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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OwlFancier posted:That has some interesting metaphysical implications when he dies, depending on what the statue does. They'll attempt to scatter his ashes to finally set him free But they'll do it in the Channel and then Nige's true form will finally be revealed
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Lord_Adonis posted:I agree that it is a matter of importance. I have no problem with Black Lives Matter, whether it is a statement or organisation (I'm afraid that I don't know much about it). I agree that expressing empathy with 6 billion other people simultaneously can be difficult, and that one has to prioritise such feelings. If Black people are being mass murdered in a given community, then I can see this being a priority for said community. However, one can still be partially concerned by ones own problems simultaneously. Indeed, many people seem to manage to balance their self preservation with the fact that maybe other people deserve the same rights, despite their varying skin tones. as a collective or group, they probably have an identity.
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staberind posted:& I know that if you cant take the bants, you should shuffle on, cap in hand. Indeed, and when the level of disrespect reaches some threshold, I certainly can, and do remove myself from the situation. My desire for civility is not a command- I have no ability to enforce such a thing. It is just a suggestion.
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OwlFancier posted:I think if your takeaway from racism is that the problem is that it's not polite then you've taken away the wrong thing. Well you see a Bangladeshi man was pushed into the street into the path of an oncoming bus* but have you considered that equally as bad is the fact that some of the people on that bus might be taking up two seats? *Actually happened last week near East London Mosque but the man who did the pushing had fairly serious mental and substance abuse problems so it's not clear if it was racially motivated or even deliberate
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