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PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Don Lapre posted:

Ohh, didn't know.

It's in the OP, ya know!

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craig588
Nov 19, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo

Craptacular posted:

The Nicehash profitability table says a 1070 will mine ~$3.70 a day, but my Nicehash miner I've been running on my 1070 for a couple days has been doing about $2.40-$2.80 a day.

Is the profitability table off, or is something wrong with my setup?

Are you using my low priority settings? It's a trade off for being able to use your computer and never notice it's running in the background.

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

craig588 posted:

Are you using my low priority settings? It's a trade off for being able to use your computer and never notice it's running in the background.

No, other than 3D games it seemed to be running fine without doing anything, so I didn't bother.

But it says I'm getting 1.2 mBTC/day and the OP says a 1070 should be getting over 2 mBTC/day. That plus the previously mentioned Nicehash profitability table and it looked like something's wrong.



(This is actually better than it was before, I slightly overclocked the card since my first post.)

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

Craptacular posted:

No, other than 3D games it seemed to be running fine without doing anything, so I didn't bother.

But it says I'm getting 1.2 mBTC/day and the OP says a 1070 should be getting over 2 mBTC/day. That plus the previously mentioned Nicehash profitability table and it looked like something's wrong.



(This is actually better than it was before, I slightly overclocked the card since my first post.)
If you're basing this in the OP, remember that difficulty is constantly going up and there's new miners joining the search for digital scrap, and together with the lower value of cryptocurrencies (or bubble, depends on who you believe), it's probably working as intended.

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

Craptacular posted:

No, other than 3D games it seemed to be running fine without doing anything, so I didn't bother.

But it says I'm getting 1.2 mBTC/day and the OP says a 1070 should be getting over 2 mBTC/day. That plus the previously mentioned Nicehash profitability table and it looked like something's wrong.



(This is actually better than it was before, I slightly overclocked the card since my first post.)

Post a screenshot of your mining stats like this. I want to see the algorithm breakdown, might wanna try rerunning the benchmark with high precision.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
FORUM POLICE
Side benefit to picking up a spare 1060 3GB for $150 a month ago: not only can I decide whether I need my 1080 for the individual game, but I also have a dedicated PhysX GPU for PUBG :v:

(apparently this really helps framerates for some reason, not sure how they could actually be doing enough physics simulation to matter)

Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Jul 3, 2017

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

Never

Once you're in the Bitcoin game, you're in 4 lyfe, bithc

Specially since ETH is going to switch to Proof of Work/Proof of Stake hybrid and for some reason this is going to send the price TO THE MOOOOOOOOOON somehow

Good, I hope these idiots keep buying cards. At some point I'm gonna unload my mass of Pascal cards for a profit and then play minesweeper on integrated graphics until Volta (probably not even long at that point).

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

MaxxBot posted:

Post a screenshot of your mining stats like this. I want to see the algorithm breakdown, might wanna try rerunning the benchmark with high precision.



I reran the benchmarks with high precision, got the following:



Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

Paul MaudDib posted:

Side benefit to picking up a spare 1060 3GB for $150 a month ago: not only can I decide whether I need my 1080 for the individual game, but I also have a dedicated PhysX GPU for PUBG :v:

(apparently this really helps framerates for some reason, not sure how they could actually be doing enough physics simulation to matter)

Absolutely helps, the GPU thread was wrong when they said a second card for Physx didn't do anything. I even think it MIGHT help more than SLI, but mostly because more games support PhysX than SLI. I know in Assassin's Creed Syndicate, putting my second card on Physx duty was more helpful than using them in SLI.

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

Craptacular posted:

I reran the benchmarks with high precision, got the following:





Your Equihash and Dagger Hashimoto seem unusually low for some reason, here's mine for comparison with two different 1070s.








Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Craptacular posted:

I reran the benchmarks with high precision, got the following:





How is your dagger hashrate so low? I'm getting 30MH/s, -25% power, mem @ 9000

e: Did you not install the 3rd party sw?

Risky Bisquick fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Jul 3, 2017

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

Risky Bisquick posted:

How is your dagger hashrate so low? I'm getting 30MH/s, -25% power, mem @ 9000

e: Did you not install the 3rd party sw?

I dunno why it's so slow. I installed the 3rd party software. I downloaded and installed the Nicehash software again just to make sure I did it correctly, but I got the same benchmark results as before.

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)

Craptacular posted:

I dunno why it's so slow. I installed the 3rd party software. I downloaded and installed the Nicehash software again just to make sure I did it correctly, but I got the same benchmark results as before.

You can try the Nicehash 2.0 but I'm going to guess that isn't the problem but its something to try. I just checked my 1070 and its currently running daggerhashimoto (sigh) at 28.5 MH/s with no OC

edit: An even longer shot, but for my garbage miner pc build I had all sorts of issues until I managed to find all my chipset drivers

1gnoirents fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jul 3, 2017

tehinternet
Feb 14, 2005

Semantically, "you" is both singular and plural, though syntactically it is always plural. It always takes a verb form that originally marked the word as plural.

Also, there is no plural when the context is an argument with an individual rather than a group. Somfin shouldn't put words in my mouth.
I've got an EVGA GTX1070 FTW, what -if any- are the risks to overclocking memory on a 1070? What is a decent target? I've been arbitrarily sitting at +500mHz while at a 70% power target and underclocking the GPU 200mHz to decent effect.

tia

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)

tehinternet posted:

I've got an EVGA GTX1070 FTW, what -if any- are the risks to overclocking memory on a 1070? What is a decent target? I've been arbitrarily sitting at +500mHz while at a 70% power target and underclocking the GPU 200mHz to decent effect.

tia

Historically you are at higher risk of sudden heart failure than damaging memory with OC on modern GPU's

tehinternet
Feb 14, 2005

Semantically, "you" is both singular and plural, though syntactically it is always plural. It always takes a verb form that originally marked the word as plural.

Also, there is no plural when the context is an argument with an individual rather than a group. Somfin shouldn't put words in my mouth.

1gnoirents posted:

Historically you are at higher risk of sudden heart failure than damaging memory with OC on modern GPU's

So you're saying...

...to the MOOOOOOOON!?

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)

tehinternet posted:

So you're saying...

...to the MOOOOOOOON!?

You cant even change the voltage for memory anymore so go hogge wilde!!

Stanley Pain
Jun 16, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Currently mining butts on a 1080 and my 970 (PHYSX card, probably even more stupid than butt mining). Should I add in my other 970 from when I was running 970 SLI? :pcgaming: Could probably net me 2 whole dollars more/day.


Also, ask me about my stupid decision making though process. :q::hf::shobon:

tehinternet
Feb 14, 2005

Semantically, "you" is both singular and plural, though syntactically it is always plural. It always takes a verb form that originally marked the word as plural.

Also, there is no plural when the context is an argument with an individual rather than a group. Somfin shouldn't put words in my mouth.

Stanley Pain posted:

Currently mining butts on a 1080 and my 970 (PHYSX card, probably even more stupid than butt mining). Should I add in my other 970 from when I was running 970 SLI? :pcgaming: Could probably net me 2 whole dollars more/day.


Also, ask me about my stupid decision making though process. :q::hf::shobon:

I'd double check the amount of power you're using, I remember the 900 series being pretty power hungry for the performance you get.

Junior Jr.
Oct 4, 2014

by sebmojo
Buglord
So my 1080Ti and 1060 6GB have been mining approx. £5-6 per day, and my payout just came 5 hours ago...I've made about £43 this week. :what:

I was very surprised but I actually earned way more than Slushpool payed out in like 5 weeks! :getin: My total should be £45 but they took out like a £2 fine so I'm okay with that.

If this keeps up, I might have enough to consider grabbing an Rx 580 and better my chances for more cash.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
970s are cheap and will pay themselves off in two months, if the difficulty increases or values crash you can dump them for the same price you paid for them.

Shrimp or Shrimps
Feb 14, 2012


Junior Jr. posted:

So my 1080Ti and 1060 6GB have been mining approx. £5-6 per day, and my payout just came 5 hours ago...I've made about £43 this week. :what:

I was very surprised but I actually earned way more than Slushpool payed out in like 5 weeks! :getin: My total should be £45 but they took out like a £2 fine so I'm okay with that.

If this keeps up, I might have enough to consider grabbing an Rx 580 and better my chances for more cash.

Definitely buy new hardware for mining imo.

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)

tehinternet posted:

I'd double check the amount of power you're using, I remember the 900 series being pretty power hungry for the performance you get.

Its a 150 watt or less card if you dont OC it iirc. Even at $2 a day thats worth it many times over as long as a third card works in the computer

Got my second cashout today. Im going to start holding onto it for fee purposes but im quite glad it hasnt been a scam so far!! Thanks OP!!!

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but LBRY https://lbry.io/ seems like a good decentralized media platform using blockchain tech. I can't imagine why it won't get super popular but that is why I am posting. Opinions?

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

redeyes posted:

Not sure if this is the right thread for this but LBRY https://lbry.io/ seems like a good decentralized media platform using blockchain tech. I can't imagine why it won't get super popular but that is why I am posting. Opinions?
Here was my encounter with lbry:
---
so i saw this press release/news story and the explanation of "what the gently caress is LBRY" at the end is...

quote:

The Perfect Content for LBRY
While other archive teams have also backed up these lectures using traditional methods, publishing them to LBRY offers greater openness, usability, and robustness.

LBRY is the first truly free and censorship-resistant way to exchange content. The LBRY protocol provides a completely decentralized network for discovering, distributing, and publishing all types of content and information, from books to movies.

When publishing the lectures to LBRY, the content metadata is written to a public blockchain, making it permanently public and robust to interference. Then, the content data itself is hosted via a peer-to-peer data network that offers economic incentives to ensure the data remains viable. This is superior to centralized or manual hosting, which is vulnerable to technical failure or other forms of attrition.
this sounds like a great way to end up accidentally involved in the distribution of child pornography.

quote:

How do I get LBRY credits?
Currently, there are five ways to obtain LBRY Credits, or LBC for short.

Beta testers get an LBC gift. Talk to us on Slack if you're interested.
Buy them: see Exchanges
Mine them: see Mining.
Host content: see Hosting for details. Note that hosting requires the LBRY app, which is currently open to beta testers only.
Publish content: when you publish your own content to the LBRY network, you can sell it for LBC at the price of your choice.
this is for commercial copyright infringement and distribution of child pornography.
edit: bonus fishmech

fishmech posted:

i like how they gloss over that it cant store anything more than the title, filesize, and upload date of a thing (because blockchain) so you still need to have a regular rear end server to host things. and also do all the search and recording functions faster than their dumb blockchain while you're at it

Gobbeldygook fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jul 4, 2017

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

It's itch.io but with blockchain!

As someone who's done media content stuff, here's the issues I see with using LBRY:

-I get paid in LBC. This means I have to convert my money out through a third-party exchange, which introduces more points of failure. Also, I'm not getting paid in USD. Cryptocurrency is notoriously unstable in terms of price. If I set a price in LBC, what's to keep LBC from dropping in value and letting people get my product for cheap, or spiking in value and making my sales dry up because the price is too high? If I set a price in USD, (i.e., pay me the current LBC equivalent of $5) now I have to rush to convert my LBC back into actual money so that I don't get hosed by price fluctuations.

-My customers have to pay in LBC. This puts an extra step between them and buying my poo poo, and it's a big step. I've invested time in reducing the number of clicks it takes to buy my poo poo from like five to three. I've made sure you don't even have to go to another page to buy my poo poo. Why am I going to adopt a payment platform that requires my customers to go onto a currency exchange and buy tokens so that they can then buy my poo poo? That's a prohibitive amount of effort and it's going to put a huge dent in impulse buying.

-What's stopping someone else from profiting off of my content? As far as I can see, there's no method for filing a DMCA claim, and given that this is cryptocurrency-related, that's probably by design. But what if someone uploads my file but charges 4 LBC instead of 5? Or releases it for free? Yes, piracy isn't just specific to LBRY; someone could just throw the file up on Mega or something, but the fact that LBRY doesn't seem to have any default means of reporting/removing pirated content would make me wary to put anything on there in the first place.

-What information do sellers get about their customers? If they don't get information like a billing address, they won't be able to file things like EU VAT (which you have to pay when you sell to anyone in participating EU countries, even if you're not an EU resident yourself.}

-They make claims about "no fees!" which is a pretty standard crypto refrain, and is almost always false. Yeah, no fees on the Funny Munny I get paid. I just have to pay the exchange fees when I want actual dollars, and my customers also have to pay fees to turn their actual dollars into Funny Munny to pay me.

Strawman
Feb 9, 2008

Tortuga means turtle, and that's me. I take my time but I always win.


Gobbeldygook posted:

Here was my encounter with lbry:
---
so i saw this press release/news story and the explanation of "what the gently caress is LBRY" at the end is...

this sounds like a great way to end up accidentally involved in the distribution of child pornography.

"Accidentally"

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
So uncheck LBRY on nicehash, got it

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
Great information. I hadn't considered the child porn angle. Fun. It does seem like this is packed with legal problems and actual content distribution is still the key problem. I will withhold investment.

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)
What a world we live in. I'm converting electricity into fake money with my video game card but I should uncheck a box so i dont ... mine... childporn... distribution... and this is a real thing

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.
Truly the currency of the future.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Risky Bisquick posted:

970s are cheap and will pay themselves off in two months, if the difficulty increases or values crash you can dump them for the same price you paid for them.

yes i'm sure if those things happen no one else will be dumping graphics cards at the same time

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
FORUM POLICE
If you're gonna sell cards, now is the time. A RX 480/580 makes what, like $3.50 per day now? Same for a 1070? A 1060 makes like $2? As the difficulty continues to increase, sooner or later miners are gonna come to their senses that $300-500+ for these GPUs is not sustainable at these payout rates, even ignoring power/etc.

(barring another massive run-up in the price of Eth/Bitcoin, which seems unlikely - if anything holding them seems really risky right now)

Some of us have viable use-cases for a few extra cards, but that basically means you're buying them at $400, whereas if you sell now and wait a few months you can probably pick them up for $100.

Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Jul 4, 2017

Junior Jr.
Oct 4, 2014

by sebmojo
Buglord
Should I buy an RX 580 now or wait till the Vega cards (not the Frontier one) come out? Maybe they'll have better rates than a 1060 6GB.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
FORUM POLICE

Junior Jr. posted:

Should I buy an RX 580 now or wait till the Vega cards (not the Frontier one) come out? Maybe they'll have better rates than a 1060 6GB.

gently caress no, wait. I think the bubble will implode within like 2 months at the outside, the difficulty is doubling like every month or some poo poo which means rewards are halving. This is literally the most pants-on-head-retarded possible moment to buy anything except a 1080/1080 Ti and even then demand is driving those prices higher since they're literally the only cards right now that are bad at butts. Once the flood of cards hits the used market, retail prices will have to drop to be attractive, probably past the old equilibrium points pre-bubble.

Vega's gaming performance is going to be terrible for its size, especially given its power consumption, but 1080 at $300-400 would be OK, and FreeSync gets you a little extra savings. Not as much as you would think though, many of the cheaper FreeSync monitors have flickering issues/etc because they were never designed around FreeSync, AMD hacked it in after the fact, and it doesn't really work all that well. Good monitors are still expensive even with FreeSync.

Wait for the crash and get a 1080/1080 Ti or 1170 when Volta releases, unless you are already in the FreeSync ecosystem.

edit: oh you meant hashing, lol gently caress no. Vega sucks at Ethereum (RX 580-level performance) due to HBM. Maybe Vega cutdowns at $250 or so will be OK for mining but the bubble may well be over by the time the gaming flagship hits stores, let alone the cutdowns.

Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Jul 5, 2017

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Junior Jr. posted:

Should I buy an RX 580 now or wait till the Vega cards (not the Frontier one) come out? Maybe they'll have better rates than a 1060 6GB.

you should go to your local best buy and clean out the shelves of RX 580s

post pictures once you've gotten them set up

Junior Jr.
Oct 4, 2014

by sebmojo
Buglord

Paul MaudDib posted:

gently caress no, wait. I think the bubble will implode within like 2 months at the outside, the difficulty is doubling like every month or some poo poo which means rewards are halving. This is literally the most pants-on-head-retarded possible moment to buy anything except a 1080/1080 Ti and even then demand is driving those prices higher since they're literally the only cards right now that are bad at butts. Once the flood of cards hits the used market, retail prices will have to drop to be attractive, probably past the old equilibrium points pre-bubble.

Vega's gaming performance is going to be terrible for its size, especially given its power consumption, but 1080 at $300-400 would be OK, and FreeSync gets you a little extra savings. Not as much as you would think though, many of the cheaper FreeSync monitors have flickering issues/etc because they were never designed around FreeSync, AMD hacked it in after the fact, and it doesn't really work all that well. Good monitors are still expensive even with FreeSync.

Wait for the crash and get a 1080/1080 Ti or 1170 when Volta releases, unless you are already in the FreeSync ecosystem.

edit: oh you meant hashing, lol gently caress no. Vega sucks at Ethereum (RX 580-level performance) due to HBM. Maybe Vega cutdowns at $250 or so will be OK for mining but the bubble may well be over by the time the gaming flagship hits stores, let alone the cutdowns.

I already have one 1080Ti so I wonder if it's worth getting a 1070 or 1080 if their retail price drops.

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

redeyes posted:

Great information. I hadn't considered the child porn angle. Fun. It does seem like this is packed with legal problems and actual content distribution is still the key problem. I will withhold investment.

Wait!! That's the beauty of it, you CANT prove it's child porn! Are you going to give up 50 cents in mining value every day? Buy buy buy! To the mooooooooon!

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
FORUM POLICE

Junior Jr. posted:

I already have one 1080Ti so I wonder if it's worth getting a 1070 or 1080 if their retail price drops.

Again, for what? Mining? Nah, when it pops it's over. It's already pretty much over even at pre-bubble prices for hardware, $3.50 per day with payouts halving every month means your $250 GPU will never pay itself back.

I bet that 1070s crash to $250 or less once the bubble pops, although since they're more efficient than RX 480s a certain number of miners will hang onto 1070s specifically.

But at some point soon (<6 months) Volta drops and gaming performance takes a huge jump anyway. I bet NVIDIA is making sure every card faster than the 1150 has GDDR5X so you can't mine on them.

Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jul 5, 2017

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QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

Wait!! That's the beauty of it, you CANT prove it's child porn! Are you going to give up 50 cents in mining value every day? Buy buy buy! To the mooooooooon!

It wouldn't surprise me if the contents weren't actually stored with any encryption and were easily provably child porn

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