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To be honest I liked that there was so much build-up to fighting a Primal. Compare that what we get now, where it's basically "I guess we stumbled on a new Primal, weird. Oh well, you know what to do by now. Hop to it." I mean it makes sense given our accomplishments, but it's just a little disappointing. Needing to have a plan to even reach the Primal like with Titan made a sort of sense, at least.
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bewilderment posted:I'm just a newbie 3 years late to the 2.0 main story but wtf was that whole Titan preparation questline that goes for like 5 levels. They're sending you on pointless tasks in hopes you get discouraged and leave because they think you're reckless and doomed to die to Titan. They're trying to save your life. Then once the feast is made, it's more of a "Well, it was nice knowing you. Here, have a last meal."
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Jul 6, 2017 02:07
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Jul 6, 2017 02:23
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Clarste posted:To be honest I liked that there was so much build-up to fighting a Primal. Compare that what we get now, where it's basically "I guess we stumbled on a new Primal, weird. Oh well, you know what to do by now. Hop to it." Yeah, to a degree I feel like primals are just like a formality at this point. Like SE feels like they need to have a couple primals per expansion so they just throw a couple in with little fanfare and occasionally flimsy ties to the plot. Susano fit in fairly well as part of his plotline, at least, but even then it just felt so abrupt. I wouldn't mind if the next expansion had one fewer primal fight but made a bigger deal out of the ones it has.
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Harrow posted:Yeah, to a degree I feel like primals are just like a formality at this point. Like SE feels like they need to have a couple primals per expansion so they just throw a couple in with little fanfare and occasionally flimsy ties to the plot. Susano fit in fairly well as part of his plotline, at least, but even then it just felt so abrupt. Primals are basically the marquee attractions for the general population and also a primary mover of the plot itself so I doubt they'll ever become a secondary ride at the FFXIV theme park. Lakshmi could have been given more of a lead in for sure but Susano worked as a surprise boss.
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Yeah I like the lack of build-up for Susano, even if I, the player, knew it was coming due to metaknowledge like "I'm level 63 and I haven't run into a primal yet, Susano is the turtle primal, that probably happens here". But I also agree that there should be more emphasis in general.
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Jul 6, 2017 02:41
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Susano out of nowhere was pretty great But when Allisaie said she had a crazy plan to make the Kojin back off, I thought she was going to purposefully incite them into summoning their God so we could kill it and show we aren't to be hosed with.
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Jul 6, 2017 02:43
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She's a bit of a maverick scion, but I don't think she'd go so far as to do the exact opposite of the Scion goal.
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Jul 6, 2017 02:48
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Gruckles posted:Susano out of nowhere was pretty great But when Allisaie said she had a crazy plan to make the Kojin back off, I thought she was going to purposefully incite them into summoning their God so we could kill it and show we aren't to be hosed with. In the lowbie ARR quests I've been going through in the last couple of weeks, the prospect was raised of summoning a primal version of one of the Twelve. Besides mining other Final Fantasies, there's a ready-made idea for primals.
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Why are some of my actions like Rampart and Provoke crossed out? I'm a Paladin. Are these no longer Paladin skills?
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theblackw0lf posted:Why are some of my actions like Rampart and Provoke crossed out? I'm a Paladin. Are these no longer Paladin skills? They're role skills now. Go re-enable them in the action menu.
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theblackw0lf posted:Why are some of my actions like Rampart and Provoke crossed out? I'm a Paladin. Are these no longer Paladin skills? Probably need to reassign them.
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cheetah7071 posted:You can't ever meld it on healer gear because all healer gear has it maxed out already Yes. Obviously don't try to take anything past their cap, but if you had a hypothetical piece of gear which wasn't mind capped, you should probably meld mind on it. Waci fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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Fister Roboto posted:(Alchemist quest spoilers) 10 years before the start of 1.0, F'lhammin and her friends were trying to get Ul'dah to go to war with Garlemald. They came up with a stupid, convoluted plan to unleash a goobbue during a parade, subdue the creature, become heroes for it, and then use their popularity to influence the Syndicate to go to war. The plan went horribly wrong, though. Your character actually gets to witness this event in an echo flashback in 1.0. Anyway, this resulted in Minfillia's father getting killed, and as it turned out, he was a spy for the Ala Mhigan Resistance, and he had critical information about Project Meteor. That information died with him. I'm actually just doing these quests now and goddamn is F'lhammin (and by extension Minfilia) the loving worst. EDIT: Goddamn. Everyone in this questline is affected by the stupids. "I had this magical blade. Its magic was gone, I think. So I threw it in the river" Mordiceius fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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Gruckles posted:Susano out of nowhere was pretty great But when Allisaie said she had a crazy plan to make the Kojin back off, I thought she was going to purposefully incite them into summoning their God so we could kill it and show we aren't to be hosed with. Are we still doing spoilers? I feel like we should. But I actually thought something pretty similar. Except I figured the very action would piss off the Garleans so much that they told them to gently caress off. Cythereal posted:In the lowbie ARR quests I've been going through in the last couple of weeks, the prospect was raised of summoning a primal version of one of the Twelve. Besides mining other Final Fantasies, there's a ready-made idea for primals. Keep going. They cover that.
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I'm starting to remember my frustration with Alex releasing where if you don't get early on enough the first day and get loot drops you are kinda hosed for the week.
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bewilderment posted:I'm just a newbie 3 years late to the 2.0 main story but wtf was that whole Titan preparation questline that goes for like 5 levels. It's by far the worst part of the game
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ImpAtom posted:It's by far the worst part of the game Just got past that in the last few days myself. At least the first fraud guy was funny.
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SonicRulez posted:Are we still doing spoilers? I feel like we should. But I actually thought something pretty similar. Except I figured the very action would piss off the Garleans so much that they told them to gently caress off. Arguably it would motivate the Garleans to exterminate them.
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ImpAtom posted:It's by far the worst part of the game It's not as bad as Garuda, where it feels like the game is laughing at you/slapping you in the face for doing what it asks.
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Endings posted:Greg should show up out of nowhere in the middle of some other game's tier. This seems very fitting.
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dogsicle posted:It's not as bad as Garuda, where it feels like the game is laughing at you/slapping you in the face for doing what it asks. 
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dogsicle posted:It's not as bad as Garuda, where it feels like the game is laughing at you/slapping you in the face for doing what it asks. I'm only like halfway or so into the Garuda bit in Coerthas but while a part of it is busywork it feels like semi-meaningful busywork? Like I can totally understand a plot of "these rear end in a top hat insular religious elves don't give a poo poo about you and you need to bow and scrape to prove your worthiness". Also the whole 'someone is framing this guy' subplot is kinda interesting?
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Oh, the Coerthas stuff is fine. It's what comes...after that's the issue.
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Cythereal posted:Just got past that in the last few days myself. At least the first fraud guy was funny. It's extra weird because they don't do anything with the Kobolds, to the point where when I got to Titan's summoning cutscene I was like "wait are these the goblins again or-". It definitely just kinda felt like they had a bunch of areas that weren't going to get used and they cobbled them together with a weird half-excuse. I think the worst bit is when you have to keep going back and forth between the blind Lalafell and that war veteran guy who lives in the middle of nowhere.
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LordHippoman posted:It's extra weird because they don't do anything with the Kobolds, to the point where when I got to Titan's summoning cutscene I was like "wait are these the goblins again or-". The scenario presented at the outset with the kobolds is interesting, and presents Limsa Lominsa in a less than flattering light: LL and the kobolds had a peace treaty, but the kobolds are attacking because LL settlers wanted kobold land and kept invading it and attacking the kobolds, and Merlwyb was unwilling or unable to rein them in. The kobolds are just trying to protect themselves from LL aggression and greed, and summon Titan because the kobolds themselves can't stand against LL. Y'shtola is understandably upset with Merlwyb, who says tough poo poo we're not going to roll over and die for the kobolds so get killing. Then the matter is summarily dropped and the fact that the whole thing is LL's fault is never mentioned again outside Titan's summoning cutscene.
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Minrad posted:We may still get an FF7 dungeon. There's an Imperial ship (submarine?) labeled on the southeast of the Yanxia map, and going to scavenge a scuttled Garlean submarine full of more of their experiments would be an awesome way to have a tribute to the Gelnika. The only FF7 dungeon reference I want is to have the option of skipping one pull by running up a stairwell for ten minutes.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:
this is wonderful
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SirPhoebos posted:The only FF7 dungeon reference I want is to have the option of skipping one pull by running up a stairwell for ten minutes. The planet's dyin', Warrior of Light!
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Hoary Boulder: It's all because of that &$*! pizza!
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unseenlibrarian posted:Oh, the Coerthas stuff is fine. It's what comes...after that's the issue. I still didn't really like the Coerthas stuff (buncha dumbshit noble politics and religious persecution that's obviously wrong but not touched on until HW proper), but yeah the worst of it is collecting the corrupted crystals after.
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I was disappointed that Hoary Boulder, Coultenet & company didn't feature more in SB.
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Cythereal posted:The scenario presented at the outset with the kobolds is interesting, and presents Limsa Lominsa in a less than flattering light: LL and the kobolds had a peace treaty, but the kobolds are attacking because LL settlers wanted kobold land and kept invading it and attacking the kobolds, and Merlwyb was unwilling or unable to rein them in. The kobolds are just trying to protect themselves from LL aggression and greed, and summon Titan because the kobolds themselves can't stand against LL. Y'shtola is understandably upset with Merlwyb, who says tough poo poo we're not going to roll over and die for the kobolds so get killing. It got mentioned again when Titan was summoned in the HW patch content too, along with the general idea that it's real fears that are making the beast tribes summon primals. The story team clearly hasn't forgotten that thread entirely, so at some point before we reach the end of this version of the main story I'm sure there will be some kind of resolution. It might be a while though.
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ghostinmyshell posted:I'm starting to remember my frustration with Alex releasing where if you don't get early on enough the first day and get loot drops you are kinda hosed for the week. What changes after the first day?
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Cythereal posted:Then the matter is summarily dropped and the fact that the whole thing is LL's fault is never mentioned again outside Titan's summoning cutscene. It's brought up again, actually, mid 3.4, when Alphinaud entreats the Kobold Priest to stop summoning TItan and try and talk things out, he goes "Oh really? So they can break another treaty?"
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Cythereal posted:The scenario presented at the outset with the kobolds is interesting, and presents Limsa Lominsa in a less than flattering light: LL and the kobolds had a peace treaty, but the kobolds are attacking because LL settlers wanted kobold land and kept invading it and attacking the kobolds, and Merlwyb was unwilling or unable to rein them in. The kobolds are just trying to protect themselves from LL aggression and greed, and summon Titan because the kobolds themselves can't stand against LL. Y'shtola is understandably upset with Merlwyb, who says tough poo poo we're not going to roll over and die for the kobolds so get killing. Fuzzy memories but the Sahagin beast tribe quests mention something about the Sahagin invading Limsa's lands en masse out of necessity because their spawning grounds were destroyed... which could reasonably be assumed to be the reason Limsa itself needs more land, shoving the problem a step further onto the Kobolds. It doesn't make anything anyone does right, it's just an interesting further step in the chain.
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MarquiseMindfang posted:Fuzzy memories but the Sahagin beast tribe quests mention something about the Sahagin invading Limsa's lands en masse out of necessity because their spawning grounds were destroyed... which could reasonably be assumed to be the reason Limsa itself needs more land, shoving the problem a step further onto the Kobolds. I could be wrong, but I thought the idea was more that Limsan encroachments were actually pushing them out of their spawning grounds, and that they couldn't just surrender them due to necessity so the conflict wasn't going to end as long as the Limsans didn't go away. Maybe I missed something though.
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Sinteres posted:I could be wrong, but I thought the idea was more that Limsan encroachments were actually pushing them out of their spawning grounds, and that they couldn't just surrender them due to necessity so the conflict wasn't going to end as long as the Limsans didn't go away. Maybe I missed something though. Nah it's the former, this is brought up if you do the Sahagin Beast Tribe quests. Random fact: The treaty with the Kobolds was actually signed because the Sahagin had summoned Leviathan and used it to wipe out a village and take their current spawning grounds. Limsa Lominsa is honestly barely held together, I think the only thing keeping the majority of the pirates in the country under control is the fact that they can play privateer with Garlean ships.
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