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call to action posted:Aww, but I do. And I live in a swing state, too! I like how you don't even argue with me calling you an idiot, because it's so plainly true.
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voting based on making the people you hate mad is an excellent policy for example, it gave us Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump
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call to action posted:She supports single payer and all the idiots who are always wrong about poo poo hate her, which is pretty much good enough for me. There are a lot of other Democrats who have also come out in favor of single payer. Your second point basically confirms what I suspected; you have this idea in your head of Tulsi as some amazing candidate who is young, attractive, and (who you imagine) shares all your opinions about things. Bad things are easily overlooked, because ultimately you just know in your gut that she's actually really good, regardless of what anyone says. It's basically the same mindset behind a lot of Trump's supporters; they project their own views onto Trump. Do you not realize that most of the people in this thread saying Tulsi isn't that good were not HIllary supporters? You're not arguing with centrist neoliberals or whatever. We're mostly people who supported Sanders in the primary and want the US to move dramatically to the left politically.
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I don't know if you've noticed, but Trump is the President right now. Saying I'm "acting like a Trump supporter" or whatever isn't exactly a detractor imo. If that kind of tactic works to get your guy in power, so be it.
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Most leftists care about Syria to the extent they feel bad about them for the situation the US has a large part in creating, including killing innocent people with our bombing campaign, and would like us to take a bunch of Refugees because it's honestly the least we can do. While some folks be for MTW or whatever, impoverishing the US to make the world as a whole better, that's not at all a common philosophy. However trying to be "on the left" and also going "hey gently caress syria not my problem" is pretty dumb.
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It's 100% possible to take in refugees without impacting the quality of life of existing workers. Just not with austerity-based policies.
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call to action posted:I don't know if you've noticed, but Trump is the President right now. Saying I'm "acting like a Trump supporter" or whatever isn't exactly a detractor imo. If that kind of tactic works to get your guy in power, so be it. That poster is saying you're acting dumb. Because you're acting dumb.
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call to action posted:I don't know if you've noticed, but Trump is the President right now. Saying I'm "acting like a Trump supporter" or whatever isn't exactly a detractor imo. If that kind of tactic works to get your guy in power, so be it. yup. papering over all the faults in your candidate with "but did you see how mad they make the other guy" works wonders! which is why Hillary Clinton is currently president
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call to action posted:I don't know if you've noticed, but Trump is the President right now. Saying I'm "acting like a Trump supporter" or whatever isn't exactly a detractor imo. If that kind of tactic works to get your guy in power, so be it. I just think you're a fuckin dumb rear end for thinking I was defending Nancy Pelosi when I objectively stated her personal opinion on single payer and then proceeded to attack her for her political malfeasance for not pushing it as a House leader.
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Also, I would vote for Gabbard over any centrist, but holy poo poo if she is the best we can offer we are so hosed.
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The Democrats don't need to run a generational political talent to win. Just someone without a poisoned brand would probably work well enough.
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Moxie posted:The Democrats don't need to run a generational political talent to win. Just someone without a poisoned brand would probably work well enough. Yeah, that's one lesson that the left really needs to loving learn between now and 2020: having someone touched by God in terms of oratory, like Obama, is nice, but it's not 100% necessary - particularly when you're running against a clown like Trump. What's far more important is not being incredibly loathsome to a sizable chunk of your base.
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Jaxyon posted:Most leftists care about Syria to the extent they feel bad about them for the situation the US has a large part in creating, including killing innocent people with our bombing campaign, and would like us to take a bunch of Refugees because it's honestly the least we can do. Sorry, this is my fault but I was mostly referring to an earlier post you made regarding (I think) the topic of illegal immigration. I'm in favor of full amnesty, but that's mostly because research suggests undocumented immigration doesn't have any negative impacts in the long term. If it actually did have a net negative impact domestically, the situation would be different and "why should we prioritize our citizens over people outside of the country" wouldn't really work as an argument (by itself at least) for the reason mentioned in my last post. So to be clear, my post was basically saying "I agree with you, but not for the same reasons."
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Moxie posted:The Democrats don't need to run a generational political talent to win. Just someone without a poisoned brand would probably work well enough. I hope that Ironstache gets a little bit of a boost thanks to that, dude is not a good speaker by any stretch of the imagination, but he sure knows how to pick a brand.
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i think we can all agree that Ironstache owns, and i for one wish him luck in his quest to mack on insane twitter conspiracy theorists
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paranoid randroid posted:i think we can all agree that Ironstache owns, and i for one wish him luck in his quest to mack on insane twitter conspiracy theorists Hate to break it to you but he went full reverse on that one.
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Office Pig posted:Hate to break it to you but he went full reverse on that one. tch, typical backpedaling politician
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Ytlaya posted:Sorry, this is my fault but I was mostly referring to an earlier post you made regarding (I think) the topic of illegal immigration. I'm in favor of full amnesty, but that's mostly because research suggests undocumented immigration doesn't have any negative impacts in the long term. If it actually did have a net negative impact domestically, the situation would be different and "why should we prioritize our citizens over people outside of the country" wouldn't really work as an argument (by itself at least) for the reason mentioned in my last post. OK then, we cool
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call to action posted:She supports single payer and all the idiots who are always wrong about poo poo hate her, which is pretty much good enough for me. Change the Shes to Hes and you sound just like someone who would like to Make America Great Again.
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Trabisnikof posted:One of the Democratic candidates for 2020 just endorsed UBI oh gently caress, it was the zuck! however... quote:In a Facebook post about a trip this week to Alaska with wife Priscilla Chan, the Facebook CEO praised the state's Permanent Fund, which pools the state's oil revenue and pays out cash dividends to eligible Alaskans. In 2016, that dividend was $1,022. On one hand, it's UBI based on resource exploitation, but on the other, he technically supports seizing the means of production. I don't think he meant to imply the latter.
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Feldegast42 posted:Change the Shes to Hes and you sound just like someone who would like to Make America Great Again.
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Freakazoid_ posted:oh gently caress, it was the zuck! No, I don't think so either, and I also think his positions on things are going to be rather, errr, mercurial, in the lead-up to 2020.
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Freakazoid_ posted:oh gently caress, it was the zuck! https://twitter.com/aliceavizandum/status/875665911952416768
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I got to be honest. I love how some people handwave away Obama's friendship with Modi while also condemning Tulsi for supporting him and trying to make the argument that she isn't close to Bernie despite her being fellow in The Sanders Institute https://www.sandersinstitute.com/ Good job proving that the democrats will forever be a waste. Seriously burn down the party and surrender any hope of this poo poo getting better. You guys will always be behind the curve. Majorian posted:Yeah, that's one lesson that the left really needs to loving learn between now and 2020: having someone touched by God in terms of oratory, like Obama, is nice, but it's not 100% necessary - particularly when you're running against a clown like Trump. What's far more important is not being incredibly loathsome to a sizable chunk of your base. Are you forgetting Bush/Kerry 2004? Or Trump/Hillary 2016?
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MooselanderII posted:I just think you're a fuckin dumb rear end for thinking I was defending Nancy Pelosi when I objectively stated her personal opinion on single payer and then proceeded to attack her for her political malfeasance for not pushing it as a House leader. Let it go man. This is your third (fourth?) post about this. I don't really give a gently caress about it, sorry Feldegast42 posted:Change the Shes to Hes and you sound just like someone who would like to Make America Great Again. Congratulations for getting the point I guess. If it takes Trumpian tactics to get a Gabbard or better in power, so be it. call to action fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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call to action posted:Congratulations for getting the point I guess. If it takes Trumpian tactics to get a Gabbard or better in power, so be it. "Gabbard or better" is a wide range. Gabbard is good on a couple issues, terrible on many others, and would likely not win either the nomination or the general election.
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In America, this would be the Beverly hills cop 2 scene where the guard says he needs to see their authorization, then Axel and Rosewood open fire and say, "AUTHORIZED!" Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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Majorian posted:"Gabbard or better" is a wide range. Gabbard is good on a couple issues, terrible on many others, and would likely not win either the nomination or the general election. Gabbard would absolutely win the 2020 GE you doofus (why do you think the DNC is already smearing her). A young, attractive, well spoken female candidate vs. a raging misogynist and a buffoon? Yeah, this is no brainer.
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RedSpider posted:Gabbard would absolutely win the 2020 GE you doofus (why do you think the DNC is already smearing her). A young, attractive, well spoken female candidate vs. a raging misogynist and a buffoon? Yeah, this is no brainer. The DNC isn't "already smearing her"; her dumb rear end has shot herself in the foot over and over again, and she'll never survive the primary. Someone who actually runs to the right of Trump on treatment of Muslims probably isn't going to be president anytime soon, sorry buddy.
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Majorian posted:The DNC isn't "already smearing her"; her dumb rear end has shot herself in the foot over and over again, and she'll never survive the primary. Someone who actually runs to the right of Trump on treatment of Muslims probably isn't going to be president anytime soon, sorry buddy. fake news
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call to action posted:Let it go man. This is your third (fourth?) post about this. I don't really give a gently caress about it, sorry Trumpian tactics gets us another Trump. As in the guy who said some populist things and is now in the middle of pushing a healthcare bill that is anything but.
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Feldegast42 posted:Trumpian tactics gets us another Trump. As in the guy who said some populist things and is now in the middle of pushing a healthcare bill that is anything but. Tulsi is a person who has done the right thing no matter the poltical cost and is on the right side of domestic issues. How, in your mind, does that equate to her being another Trump - where she would work against the policies she promotes and you can't pin down where she stands on most of the issues?
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Hahah I have never seen Tulsi Gabbard liberals in the wild.
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Call Me Charlie posted:Tulsi is a person who has done the right thing no matter the poltical cost Opposing marriage equality is not "the right thing." Neither is playing the apologist for Assad's regime, however much you or I may oppose intervention in Syria.
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Jaxyon posted:Hahah I have never seen Tulsi Gabbard liberals in the wild. it's some alternate universe Earth-2 Peter Daou poo poo, aint it
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Call Me Charlie posted:Tulsi is a person who has done the right thing no matter the poltical cost and is on the right side of domestic issues. How, in your mind, does that equate to her being another Trump - where she would work against the policies she promotes and you can't pin down where she stands on most of the issues? a trump voter who views opposing gay marriage and wanting to throw the muslims in camps as the Right Thing surprise, surprise
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