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Waffles Inc. posted:
What? The Reginlaze is great.
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Arcsquad12 posted:What? The Reginlaze is great. From the looks of the wiki that's season 2, I'm only just now at Akihiro's brother dying
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Jul 9, 2017 23:31
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I love most of the designs from IBO, except for the S1 forms for Barbatos. I didn't really like Barbatos until the Lupus in S2.
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Jul 9, 2017 23:32
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counterpoint on 00: I thought season 1 was bland and didn't like the characters or their motivations at all. except for that time setsuna thanks lockon for making fun of him, that was a good joke and yea ibo's relationship stuff is at best weird (basically any scene with atra really) and at worst uncomfortable and bad (almiria, the harem ship). I think it's mostly a good show but there's some bad stuff in there holding it back
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Jul 9, 2017 23:33
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Yeah, IBO has some really clever and stylish mechanical design that ties in really nicely to the story. The character designs aren't much to write home about, though. Michinori Chiba just isn't a particular asset to his shows. On the romance stuff, I think that it's largely part of a broader pattern of the ways that oppression damages people's relationships, from the child soldier family of Tekkadan to Gaelio's doomed friendship with his disposable subordinate Ein. I mean, they parallel Orga and Naze's relationships with their organisations a lot for a reason. IBO focuses a lot on how people are trapped both physically and spiritually by their oppression, but can accomplish things that are beautiful and worthwhile despite that, even if it's brief and conditional. I don't think it's a coincidence that the most traditional, storybook romance is between the implied heirs of the solar system, while most of the strangest relationships (Almiria/McGillis, Naze/everyone, Atra/Kudelia/Mika) end in some degree of tragedy. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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Jul 9, 2017 23:34
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Nthing that Turn A is cool and good
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Jul 9, 2017 23:46
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The best suits in IBO season 1 are the goddamn frog robots. 
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Jul 10, 2017 01:05
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00 S1 is really good, SEED is alright with some great dubbed performances, Destiny is really bad, 00S2 is garbage.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:12
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Waffles Inc. posted:IBO good and cool things: The child bride thing is a pure political marriage between what're essentially royal houses. The storywriting is well aware it's creepy and it is always presented as such.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:03
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Have they ever done blueprints/maps of the Argama or White Base, along the lines of all the millions of ones that have been done for the Enterprise?
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Jul 10, 2017 04:48
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Mimir posted:Have they ever done blueprints/maps of the Argama or White Base, along the lines of all the millions of ones that have been done for the Enterprise? Considering how much of the Archangel is taken up by Mobile Suit hangars, thrusters, and retractable guns, I'd love to see how much actual internal space it has for the crew
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Jul 10, 2017 05:04
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Guy Goodbody posted:Considering how much of the Archangel is taken up by Mobile Suit hangars, thrusters, and retractable guns, I'd love to see how much actual internal space it has for the crew Especially when it's revealed the thing has a fully functional hot spring.
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Jul 10, 2017 08:08
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Kanos posted:Especially when it's revealed the thing has a fully functional hot spring. To be fair that was apparently retrofitted in when they rebuilt the Archangel and made is a submarine. To be unfair why the gently caress would you add a hot spring when doing that?
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Jul 10, 2017 08:14
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ImpAtom posted:To be fair that was apparently retrofitted in when they rebuilt the Archangel and made is a submarine. If it's good enough for the Tuantha de Danaan, it's good enough for Gundam SEED! 
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Jul 10, 2017 11:52
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ImpAtom posted:To be fair that was apparently retrofitted in when they rebuilt the Archangel and made is a submarine. I'm pretty sure the Archangel's interior either exists in hammerspace or it has a functional crew of like 6 people to fit all that poo poo inside. Also I love that first concept. "Yeah, we have a carrier battleship with a WMD-level weapons payload and super-advanced armor that is nearly immune to beam weaponry that operates flawlessly in both space and the air and can survive orbital reentry and exit completely unassisted. Let's just refit that poo poo into a submarine too, should take an afternoon or so. Oh yeah and don't forget the onsen while you're at it."
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Jul 10, 2017 12:01
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The onsen was the only part that actually appeared in the show, but according to extra materials the renovations were a lot more extensive than that. Destiny-era Archangel also featured a beach, and small constantly running sports and New Year's festivals.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:11
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ImpAtom posted:To be unfair why the gently caress would you add a hot spring when doing that? Eh, if you're building a vessel designed to house crew in space for weeks if not months on end, building rec facilities in makes perfect sense. It's not like people can go topside to run around or go for a dive. e; vv Neddy Seagoon posted:It's a Military vessel and space is at a major premium. As is potable water. The fact that it's a military vessel doesn't mean the crew don't need rec facilities. They are presumably capable of recycling water. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Jul 10, 2017 12:14
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Lemon-Lime posted:Eh, if you're building a vessel designed to house crew in space for weeks if not months on end, building rec facilities in makes perfect sense. It's not like people can go topside to run around or go for a dive. It's a Military vessel and space is at a major premium. As is potable water.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:35
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I like the break room on the Ra Cailum that's just a giant flatscreen TV and a bar to lean on.
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Jul 10, 2017 13:46
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Lemon-Lime posted:The fact that it's a military vessel doesn't mean the crew don't need rec facilities. You're losing potable water as steam over time, expending several hundred litres for it at a time, and expending power to keep it heated. It is not a good investment in a closed system. Nevermind being a potential source of bacteria that can taint all onboard water.
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Jul 10, 2017 14:24
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ImpAtom posted:To be fair that was apparently retrofitted in when they rebuilt the Archangel and made is a submarine. Well how else are you going to get pointless fanservice shots?
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Jul 10, 2017 15:23
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Shinjobi posted:The best suits in IBO season 1 are the goddamn frog robots. The Man series are so great. I love chunky robots so much. I love mecha that look like they can stand up without any kinda balance assistance.
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Jul 10, 2017 15:54
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Monaghan posted:Well how else are you going to get pointless fanservice shots? Please, like Gundam needs a hot spring for that
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Jul 10, 2017 15:57
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ImpAtom posted:Please, like Gundam needs a hot spring for that Newtypes have evolved beyond needing excuses for random nudity.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:00
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Your soul is freed from gravity and your body is freed from its garments.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:06
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Isn't that what changing rooms are for?
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Jul 10, 2017 16:07
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The Muffinlord posted:The Man series are so great. I love chunky robots so much. I love mecha that look like they can stand up without any kinda balance assistance. I still hold the Tierens in 00 are the best 'real'-esque Gundam robots, because they actually look like chunky Russian-built things you could leave rotting in a forest for 20 years and still have them start up first-try.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:11
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I still hold the Tierens in 00 are the best 'real'-esque Gundam robots, because they actually look like chunky Russian-built things you could leave rotting in a forest for 20 years and still have them start up first-try. Ahem - they're Chinese-built. The Russians just hire 'em out.
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Jul 10, 2017 17:18
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Darth Walrus posted:Ahem - they're Chinese-built. The Russians just hire 'em out. Which is why they break so easily.
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Jul 10, 2017 17:30
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Hey I was on a submarine for five years and our hotspring was a welcome addition when it came to our limited recreation time.
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Jul 10, 2017 18:15
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So I'm researching into Gundam production information for something I want to write. Are there any good articles that verify that Turn A Gundam was a financial failure and almost killed Gundam. I know that SEED is known for being such a success in the Japanese market that it revitalized the franchise, but I want to verify both of those instead of relying on poo poo spread on /m/
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Jul 10, 2017 21:39
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I don't think it did super well but Gundam was already in a rut due to supersaturation and stuff as evidenced by X.
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Jul 10, 2017 21:58
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TheManSeries posted:So I'm researching into Gundam production information for something I want to write. Are there any good articles that verify that Turn A Gundam was a financial failure and almost killed Gundam. I know that SEED is known for being such a success in the Japanese market that it revitalized the franchise, but I want to verify both of those instead of relying on poo poo spread on /m/ I hope you find actual information. There's so much stuff that's spread around the English speaking community that's never sourced, it always comes from a guy posted a Japanese article on /m/ and another anon did a quick translation/summary and that became fan gospel. I think I've heard "all the model kits except for the protagonist Gundam sold really poorly" about ever Gundam show made in the past ten years Motto posted:I don't think it did super well but Gundam was already in a rut due to supersaturation and stuff as evidenced by X. It was three years between X and Turn A, with only Endless Waltz between them.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:07
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Guy Goodbody posted:It was three years between X and Turn A, with only Endless Waltz between them.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:11
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YGuy Goodbody posted:I hope you find actual information. There's so much stuff that's spread around the English speaking community that's never sourced, it always comes from a guy posted a Japanese article on /m/ and another anon did a quick translation/summary and that became fan gospel. I think I've heard "all the model kits except for the protagonist Gundam sold really poorly" about ever Gundam show made in the past ten years Thanks. I've got a lot of work to put in for this one. My goal is to talk at length about western perception of SEED and break down some of the common talking points fans demonize the show about and explain them better. I'm trying to tackle the generic,"SEED is bad, never watch it" logic that infested the fandom for quite some time.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:17
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Raxivace posted:You had 08th MS Team episodes coming out in that period too. dang, I'd forgotten how long that show took. But still, the Gundam Rut explanation for why X failed makes sense, because it came at the end of an unprecedented back to back to back to back run of Gundam shows. Personally, I think that Gundam X not being very good was at least as big of a factor. But Gundam had been off the air for three years before Turn A started.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:18
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Guy Goodbody posted:dang, I'd forgotten how long that show took. But still, the Gundam Rut explanation for why X failed makes sense, because it came at the end of an unprecedented back to back to back to back run of Gundam shows. Personally, I think that Gundam X not being very good was at least as big of a factor. But Gundam had been off the air for three years before Turn A started. Gundam X also had the bad luck of being the Gundam that came out right after Eva. I'm not doubting quality could be a factor, but Wing got to finish its run. Meanwhile, X was cut off before it matched the first Gundam series for episode count.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:29
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I've seen stuff about SEED's success (there's even something in The origin about it) but Turn-A is pretty notoriously thin on the ground on information. The best you can do is stuff like television ratings.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:32
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https://twitter.com/gravitypriest/status/884492287715233792
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TheManSeries posted:So I'm researching into Gundam production information for something I want to write. Are there any good articles that verify that Turn A Gundam was a financial failure and almost killed Gundam. I know that SEED is known for being such a success in the Japanese market that it revitalized the franchise, but I want to verify both of those instead of relying on poo poo spread on /m/ You can try digging through Bandai financial reports, though data from that era is sketchy and reflective of more than just Gundam. According to the one from FY2000, the year after Turn A aired and the year Wing aired in the US, their media sales went down by 9% and toy sales went up by 6%. That could be read in any number of ways, but it suggests to me that Turn A earned well enough that Bandai media took a hit after it stopped airing, as Gundam is usually their big (though not only) earner there and they consistently name-drop Gundam as the top reason their media sales are going up or being sustained. Who knows about toys, IIRC Kamen Rider tends to sell more toys than Gundam so it may be less relevant information. It would be nice to find a report from the year prior to Turn A, but I've never been able to find anything earlier than FY2000. There was also a fat financial crisis going on at the time, so that certainly must have had an effect, though I believe it had less of an impact on Japan since their economy was already kind of crappy and had been for years. Aside from that wild blob of speculation, one thing is for sure, there is no way a single failed Gundam show would kill the franchise, if you read Bandai's reports it's Gundam this and Gundam that and it would absolutely gut the company if it went away. Turn A could certainly have been a financial failure, but I think the idea that it almost killed Gundam is pretty much insane; I doubt three Turn A's in a row would make Bandai even dream in their sleep about axing it, and I doubt they would have brought Tomino back for G-Reco if he nearly killed one of their main breadwinners last time.
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