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UrbanLabyrinth: Jan 28, 2009; When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence; College Slice

thatbastardken posted:

Scott Ludlum resigned.

Because he realised he's a dual citizen(?)

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:19

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You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

UrbanLabyrinth posted:

Because he realised he's a dual citizen(?)

Yep, both NZ and Australian

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...and-citizenship

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:19

thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

Yeah.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:19

foolish_fool: Jul 22, 2010

quote:

Dear foolishfool

I am writing to let you know about my decision today resign as a Senator for WA and Co-Deputy Leader of the Australian Greens.

Recently it was brought to my attention that I hold dual citizenship of Australia and New Zealand. Under Section 44 of the Australian constitution I am therefore ineligible to hold elected office in the Federal Parliament. I apologise unreservedly for this mistake.

This was my error, something I should have checked when I first nominated for preselection in 2006. I have no wish to draw out the uncertainty or create a lengthy legal dispute, particularly when the Constitution is so clear. And so, I am resigning as Senator, effective today.

I am personally devastated to learn that an avoidable oversight a decade ago compels me to leave my colleagues, supporters and my wonderful team. You are the people who entrusted me as your candidate and sent me to parliament, and you are the people who turned out in force as we fought an unprecedented by-election in 2014.

You supported me through the challenges of the past year and gave me the strength to return to the political arena. You know who you are, and I’ll never forget your support.

I was born in Palmerston North New Zealand, left the country with my family when I was three years old, and settled in Australia not long before my ninth birthday. I was naturalised when I was in my mid-teens and assumed that was the end of my New Zealand citizenship.

I’ve been incredibly fortunate to serve these past nine years in the Australian Senate. The scruffy kid who cut his teeth at the Jabiluka uranium blockade was honoured last week to speak in the United Nations plenary on the historic nuclear weapons ban. It’s not a bad way to go out.

The Australian Greens will continue to be strong advocates for a cleaner, greener and fairer Australia. I’ll find a way to continue making a contribution in some different capacity, but thank you all for sharing this remarkable ride with me.

Best,

Scott Ludlam

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:19

SadisTech: Jun 26, 2013; Clem.

thatbastardken posted:

Scott Ludlum resigned.

Came to post this and say holy gently caress.

He has dual NZ citizenship and this apparently makes him ineligible to hold office.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:19

hawaiian_robot: Dec 5, 2006; And I'm happy just to sit here,
At a table with old friends.
And see which one of us can tell the biggest lies

Mad Katter posted:

gently caress, really?

yeah, hadn't renounced NZ citizenship lmao

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:20

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Bloody Kiwis coming over here and bludging off our parliamentary salaries.

I can sort of understand the logic of not allowing people with dual citizenship to be elected, but surely there should be an exemption for New Zealand.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:21

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

thatbastardken posted:

Scott Ludlum resigned.

poo poo.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:21

Bifauxnen: Aug 12, 2010; Curses! Foiled again!

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# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:21

Teddybear: May 16, 2009; Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!

Can he not renounce his NZ citizenship and stand again down the line?

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:22

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

Wondering whether he "suddenly remembered he was a kiwi" or whether he's sick to poo poo of splits and just wanted the gently caress out.

I for one am neither surprised nor in any way disappointed in him if this is the case.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:22

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Scott no!

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:23

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

Oh for fucks sake, people like him resign because its the right thing to do and corrupt shitstains hang on for dear life.

Heres hoping he comes back later on.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:24

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

open24hours posted:

Bloody Kiwis coming over here and bludging off our parliamentary salaries.

I can sort of understand the logic of not allowing people with dual citizenship to be elected, but surely there should be an exemption for New Zealand.

yeah I mean they're in our constitution

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:25

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Hahahaha

Can it get any worse for The Greens?

Like holy poo poo this has been a bad year for them

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:26

thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

I guess I should verify my own citizenship status, I don't think I'm dual but better safe than sorry.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:27

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

I was about to say "Not in WA", given the pretty decent result in the state election earlier in the year.

But yeah, walking that back.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:27

thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

Yeah no sooner do we get Lee back in the party room than this poo poo happens.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:28

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

I'm pretty sure Rachel's on a 3 year term too. Does this mean she'd slide up into his 6 year, and his successor would be on a 3 year?

Because otherwise if he were to run again in 2018/19, he'd be running against her, basically.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:30

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

News reports are coming in of a virgin sacrifice in the Campbelltown Council Chambers and Scott Ludlum suffering from a sudden heart attack.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:32

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

Also lol if this is all a trigger to get Abbott booted for not renouncing his UK citizenship if that's actually a thing (did anyone ever confirm it's not a thing?)

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:34

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

that is quite the bombshell

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:36

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

lol, lee Rhiannon back in, Scott Ludlam out, enjoy the poo poo party you idiots

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:37

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

So are we joining the SALTies or what,

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:40

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Fuuuuuuuck

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:42

Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

foolish_fool posted:

Dear foolishfool

I am writing to let you know about my decision today resign as a Senator for WA and Co-Deputy Leader of the Australian Greens.

Recently it was brought to my attention that I hold dual citizenship of Australia and New Zealand. Under Section 44 of the Australian constitution I am therefore ineligible to hold elected office in the Federal Parliament. I apologise unreservedly for this mistake.

This was my error, something I should have checked when I first nominated for preselection in 2006. I have no wish to draw out the uncertainty or create a lengthy legal dispute, particularly when the Constitution is so clear. And so, I am resigning as Senator, effective today.

I am personally devastated to learn that an avoidable oversight a decade ago compels me to leave my colleagues, supporters and my wonderful team. You are the people who entrusted me as your candidate and sent me to parliament, and you are the people who turned out in force as we fought an unprecedented by-election in 2014.

You supported me through the challenges of the past year and gave me the strength to return to the political arena. You know who you are, and I�ll never forget your support.

I was born in Palmerston North New Zealand, left the country with my family when I was three years old, and settled in Australia not long before my ninth birthday. I was naturalised when I was in my mid-teens and assumed that was the end of my New Zealand citizenship.

I�ve been incredibly fortunate to serve these past nine years in the Australian Senate. The scruffy kid who cut his teeth at the Jabiluka uranium blockade was honoured last week to speak in the United Nations plenary on the historic nuclear weapons ban. It�s not a bad way to go out.

The Australian Greens will continue to be strong advocates for a cleaner, greener and fairer Australia. I�ll find a way to continue making a contribution in some different capacity, but thank you all for sharing this remarkable ride with me.

Best,

Scott Ludlam

God dammit Scott literally no one gives a poo poo, even the right wing media would shrug at this, renounce the NZ thing if you have to and get the gently caress back to work in senate estimates committee

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:44

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

Hobo Erotica posted:

God dammit Scott literally no one gives a poo poo, even the right wing media would shrug at this, renounce the NZ thing if you have to and get the gently caress back to work in senate estimates committee

Except he was tipped off that there was going to be a high court challenge to his eligibility, and for someone recovering from depression, thats not exactly something you want to jump into.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:47

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

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# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:48

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

NPR Journalizard posted:

Except he was tipped off that there was going to be a high court challenge to his eligibility, and for someone recovering from depression, thats not exactly something you want to jump into.

And got legal advice that said the challenge could well be successful.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:48

Sparticle: Oct 7, 2012

RIP Scotty2Hotty

Larissa Waters better be leader by the next election :colbert:

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:49

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

NPR Journalizard posted:

Except he was tipped off that there was going to be a high court challenge to his eligibility, and for someone recovering from depression, thats not exactly something you want to jump into.

he'd better have a hardcore support team around him after leaving, his time off wasn't that long ago and this would hit him very hard I think

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:50

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

he'll probably be blazing it 24/7 for a while

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:51

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

IMO, chill for a while and then run for a metro lower house seat.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:55

Konomex: Oct 25, 2010; a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...

Doctor Spaceman posted:

And got legal advice that said the challenge could well be successful.

Could well be?

It would be successful, no question. He had dual citizenship, dual citizens cannot be parliamentarians, that's it.

The only other option would have been for Scott to somehow make NZ the 8th territory of Australia but I imagine that would have taken too long.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:58

Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

NPR Journalizard posted:

Except he was tipped off that there was going to be a high court challenge to his eligibility, and for someone recovering from depression, thats not exactly something you want to jump into.

gently caress. You're from WA aren't you? You seem relatively switched on, can you either get elected or at least make sure that someone in the senate estimates is asking the right questions, tia.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 05:59

Ragingsheep: Nov 7, 2009

lmao apparently this has been around for a while now

https://www.change.org/p/scott-ludl...illegally#share

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:03

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

Hobo Erotica posted:

gently caress. You're from WA aren't you? You seem relatively switched on, can you either get elected or at least make sure that someone in the senate estimates is asking the right questions, tia.

The person they have lined up to replace him, from all my interactions with him, he seems to be a decent person and would not poo poo up the place SHY2.0 style.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:03

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

GoldStandardConure posted:

The person they have lined up to replace him, from all my interactions with him, he seems to be a decent person and would not poo poo up the place SHY2.0 style.

The person who replaces him is the 3rd person on the ticket, because a recount is triggered rather than a vacancy. Welcome to the Australian senate anonymous 21 year old university green

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:04

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Konomex posted:

Could well be?

It would be successful, no question. He had dual citizenship, dual citizens cannot be parliamentarians, that's it.

The only other option would have been for Scott to somehow make NZ the 8th territory of Australia but I imagine that would have taken too long.

Minor correction, you can win in the high court if you can show you made an actual attempt to check your citizenship and attempted to renounce it (even if not successful).

Ludlum can't do that as he made no effort to renounce or check so he'd lose in the High Court.

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Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

Mad Katter posted:

I'd rather them enforce some kind of biodegradability or charge people more money. Nobody gives a poo poo about 15 cents.

That's exactly what they're counting on.

"The company is currently giving out 3.2 billion lightweight plastic bags per year."

So, 3.2billion times $0.15 gives $480million.

So, for a small increase in costs (thicker bags) Woolworths will now be making almost half a billion dollars a year off something they previously gave away for free.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:07

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