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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Shukaro posted:

I like how they barely even try to present a front of decorum anymore and just outright exempt themselves from their ghoulish healthcare slashing.
Didn't they do the same thing years ago but with exempting members of Congress from being charged with insider trading? Because we know members of Congress are right now benefiting from this healthcare debate financially.

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Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
FEEL FREE TO DISREGARD THIS POST

It is guaranteed to be lazy, ignorant, and/or uninformed.
I'm pretty sure this bill also still includes the ability for states to set the minimum income requirement to less than the Federal Poverty Level for Medicaid eligibility. I may be wrong though I thought though that was in this bill.

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
which one of you is sopan deb reading this thread

https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/886286762334707712

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Hollismason posted:

I'm pretty sure this bill also still includes the ability for states to set the minimum income requirement to less than the Federal Poverty Level for Medicaid eligibility. I may be wrong though I thought though that was in this bill.
Doesn't it also basically create a system where if you are in a red state they can limit what insurance companies are required to cover as 'basic services'? I think that made it into the last bill.

Because what we really need in this country is a healthcare system where every state has different coverages and if you happen to live in a state run by horrible monsters like Kansas or Oklahoma, too bad for you.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/886286641215795200

:thunk:

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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quote:

Purdue Pharmaceuticals, the maker of OxyContin, Criticized For New ‘It Gets You High’ Campaign

“We’re in the midst of an unprecedented opioid crisis in this country—is it really helpful to have thousands of billboards, website banners, and bus ads touting how incredible you’ll feel after just 10 milligrams?” said National Institute on Drug Abuse spokeswoman Tina Walters, adding that brightly lit billboards with slogans such as “What A Rush” and “Take More, Feel Better” represented a dangerous normalization of powerful opioids.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010


Posting The Onion without linking it is just mean, Leon.

http://www.theonion.com/article/oxycontin-maker-criticized-new-it-gets-you-high-ca-56373

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006

BLITHERING IDIOT AND HARDCORE DURIAN APOLOGIST. LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SHIT DON'T STINK EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW IT DOES BECAUSE I'M SUPER CULTURED.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Doesn't it also basically create a system where if you are in a red state they can limit what insurance companies are required to cover as 'basic services'? I think that made it into the last bill.

Because what we really need in this country is a healthcare system where every state has different coverages and if you happen to live in a state run by horrible monsters like Kansas or Oklahoma, too bad for you.

One important part of the Republican plans is being able to buy insurance across state lines.

So, if your state mandates needless baubles like women's health programs, but your employer wants to buy coverage from Jimbo's Insurance of Mississippi (lifetime maximum $10,000, but every insured gets a free gun with one bullet because we believe in the second amendment!), then your state's insurance commissioner shouldn't be allowed to stand in the way of freedom.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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Would Hillary Clinton LITERALLY sell her daughter? The MSM says: Yes.

quote:

Former White House Official and Fox News Host Lisa Boothe: ‘Soulless’ Hillary Clinton ‘Would Literally Sell Her Daughter to Be President’

But, as usual, the MSM is #FakeNews and you need to go to Twitter to get the truth.

https://twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/...be-president%2F

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Maybe the next swine flu will specifically target people who are genetically predisposed to conservatism.

Rigel
Nov 11, 2016

It sure sounds like Sandoval is not being convinced, at all.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/15/price-verma-governors-health-care-coverage-losses-240590

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

would this imply that mueller's investigation has included trump jr?

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010


My reading of this farce is that there's a whole lot of noncommittal bullshit flying around because no matter what you say, if it's something made in the affirmative, you're going to piss people off.

What people are worried about is if Heller goes and disregards Sandoval's input for whatever reason.

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Short of literal bribes, it's not clear to me how Republicans hope to convince anyone to back this disaster. The fact that only a handful of Senate Republicans are balking right now is a national embarrassment.

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

How would them paying jr's lawyer relate to the emails exactly? What did he have to do with it?

glowing-fish
Feb 18, 2013

Keep grinding,
I hope you level up! :)

skylined! posted:

it's pretty amazing that the announcement of an actual meeting with russians hasn't tanked his approval even further, and these polls seem to be post-tuesday-announcement - correct me if im wrong

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

In Venezuela, where people are actually rioting over food, and having to deal with starvation, there are still supporters of the regime there. Cultural affiliation is a hella drug.

Trump's supporters don't have to deal with any real life effects of their president being in the pocket of Russia. This isn't Eastern Europe, where people know that eventually means that Russian soldiers are going to be breaking the windows of your house for fun and raping and assaulting without punishment.

Trump's supporters are lower middle class suburbanites who live in a reality vacuum, and they won't face any consequences to their actions or beliefs.

That being said, under 40% approval rating is a pretty weak position for a US President to be in.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
1https://twitter.com/Shareblue/status/886291631527215104
2https://twitter.com/yashar/status/886262145645760512
3https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/886263120590753793
4https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/886231135390400513
5https://twitter.com/DafnaLinzer/status/885935794694828032
6https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/886290764849872901
7https://twitter.com/Tierney_Megan/status/886286906677448704
8https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/886294176157102080
9https://twitter.com/yashar/status/886292205136220160
10https://twitter.com/thehill/status/886284487365193728
11https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/886290467553517569
12https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/886289419220602880
13https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/886270753288720385
14https://twitter.com/rweingarten/status/885996784308412416
15https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/886229890000965636
16https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/886218667356299265
17https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/886215596681170944
18https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/886249318340055040
:siren: 19https://twitter.com/yashar/status/886285371537076225 :siren:
20https://twitter.com/Vixxiest/status/886258922839052288
21https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/886224224737792000
22https://twitter.com/LanaDelRaytheon/status/886286280174182400

GamingHyena
Jul 25, 2003

Devil's Advocate

empty whippet box posted:

How would them paying jr's lawyer relate to the emails exactly? What did he have to do with it?

Because Trump claims he didn't know about the emails until after the story broke, which means he hired Jr a lawyer for no reason whatsoever and by happy coincidence two weeks later Jr.'s lawyer had something to defend him on.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

empty whippet box posted:

How would them paying jr's lawyer relate to the emails exactly? What did he have to do with it?

He didn't have a lawyer before the Times broke the news as far as anyone knew. This shows that they retained a mob lawyer before anyone even knew about the corruption.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

Your Taint posted:

Bill Nye needs to do his patriotic duty and destroy this fucker.

Better yet let's get Neil deGrasse Tyson back in this shape for the debate:

(that's really him)

glowing-fish
Feb 18, 2013

Keep grinding,
I hope you level up! :)

Simplex posted:

I think this idea that the Republican base consists of the suburbs is overstated. It's a statement that could be interpreted as true, but doesn't really mean that much. The reality I think, is that the greatest concentration of Republican voters are typically areas that Democrats do very well in. To use Pennsylvania as an example, there are 9 counties in the state where Donald Trump received over 100,000 votes, and those counties account for 44% of his total in the state. Hillary won 6 of those 9 counties. Philadelphia County went 85% for Clinton, but that's still over 100,000 Trump votes. Nobody is going to try to claim that downtown Philly makes up a core demographic of the Republican base.

(I know this thread moves fast)

I guess I would phrase it more along the lines of Westmoreland County, with 180,000 voters and 64% voting for Trump is a lot more important to the results in Pennslyvania than Fulton County, with 7000 voters and 84% voting for Trump.

Very conservative, rural districts don't have as many votes as suburban areas, even though those suburban areas might not be as markedly and stereotypically conservative.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

lol at the national review literally linking a Chris Hayes segment.

Also, man, Chris Hayes is like the male version of Rachel Maddow. Their mannerisms and delivery are almost identical.

farraday
Jan 10, 2007

Lower those eyebrows, young man. And the other one.

mod sassinator posted:

Better yet let's get Neil deGrasse Tyson back in this shape for the debate:

(that's really him)

That was before he ate Pluto.

WH does not seem confident in the CBO score.

https://twitter.com/juliehdavis/status/886292695781650433

The oped appears in WaPo, if you want to waste your time reading it.

paternity suitor
Aug 2, 2016

Dang, NDT was a stud!

Lol @ Giraldo now saying that Watergate wasn't so bad

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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Chilichimp posted:

lol at the national review literally linking a Chris Hayes segment.

Also, man, Chris Hayes is like the male version of Rachel Maddow. Their mannerisms and delivery are almost identical.

They are both nebbish, slightly feminine, liberal, and have TV shows on MSNBC. It's pretty east to mistake them.

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

empty whippet box posted:

How would them paying jr's lawyer relate to the emails exactly? What did he have to do with it?

i'm choosing to read this as mueller's investigation having something on jr. - emails or otherwise - that prompted him to lawyer up two weeks before the email/meeting story broke

Doctor Candiru
Dec 23, 2004
Umbrella Monkey Sand

glowing-fish posted:

(I know this thread moves fast)
On that note, how do we still not have the mystery eighth person from the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower?

1. Don Jr.
2. Kushner
3. Manafort
4. Goldstone
5. Lawyer lady on a suspended visa
6. Former KGB who looks like the Eraserhead guy.
7. Translator
8. :iiam:

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

paternity suitor posted:

Dang, NDT was a stud!

Lol @ Giraldo now saying that Watergate wasn't so bad

Flip Yr Wig
Feb 21, 2007

Oh please do go on
Fun Shoe
So the 8th man never got revealed? Or was it so boring that it immediately got buried?

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Flip Yr Wig posted:

So the 8th man never got revealed? Or was it so boring that it immediately got buried?

I thought it was that KGB agent dude?

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Mustached Demon posted:

I thought it was that KGB agent dude?


skylined! posted:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/politics/donald-trump-jr-meeting/index.html

updated this am - the translator's name was released but i can't find the 8th person

Trump Jr.
Kushner
Manafort
Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya
Rinat Akhmetshin
publicist Rob Goldstone
translator Anatoli Samochornov
mystery person

skylined! fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jul 15, 2017

TGLT
Aug 14, 2009

Mustached Demon posted:

I thought it was that KGB agent dude?

KGB guy was six. We know Donnie Jr, Manafort, Kushner, Goldstone (go-between), Veselnitskaya (lawyer), and Akhmetshin (KGB guy), and CNN said there were two more: a translator and a representative for the Russian oligarch who helped set this up. The translator is probably a nobody, but the rep might be some one important.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

Doctor Candiru posted:

On that note, how do we still not have the mystery eighth person from the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower?

1. Don Jr.
2. Kushner
3. Manafort
4. Goldstone
5. Lawyer lady on a suspended visa
6. Former KGB who looks like the Eraserhead guy.
7. Translator
8. :iiam:

Where exactly did the number 8 come from anyway? As far as I know some news site suddenly said, "Actually, there where 8 people in there. Here are the names of some, but not all of them." Where did they get that information? Did they check the amount of seats?

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

cant cook creole bream posted:

Where exactly did the number 8 come from anyway? As far as I know some news site suddenly said, "Actually, there where 8 people in there. Here are the names of some, but not all of them." Where did they get that information? Did they check the amount of seats?

ny times and cnn at least reported an 8th, with a reporter at the times stating he had the name yesterday around 330p. it has yet to be released; probably lack of corroboration or they're being asked to withhold for some reason?

https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/885941730108997636

there has yet to be a followup

lol apparently jake tapper reported 8 people attending on air yesterday

skylined! fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jul 15, 2017

Pellisworth
Jun 20, 2005
reminder that according to the Steele dossier, there are multiple tapes from different times and locations

so not only is the pee tape real, there might be a cuck tape or something even more fun too

TGLT
Aug 14, 2009

cant cook creole bream posted:

Where exactly did the number 8 come from anyway? As far as I know some news site suddenly said, "Actually, there where 8 people in there. Here are the names of some, but not all of them." Where did they get that information? Did they check the amount of seats?

The NYT people that broke the story said they were going to reveal the name of a seventh person, who presumably wasn't just the translator, and CNN claims they have their own source who would know about this meeting.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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America deserves President Trump File #39,238

quote:

Despite Trump, Resilient Support for Republicans in 2018 Worries Democrats

Veteran Democratic Pollster Stanley Greenberg has presented the Democratic National Committee with the results of hundreds of hours of focus groups and phone polls with over 6,000 voters. The results have some Democrats nervous. Democrats had hoped that President Trump's low approval ratings and the lack of legislative successes from the Republican-controlled Congress would be a boon for Democratic congressional candidates in the 2018 election. However, the data from Greenberg, which is the most comprehensive analysis of American attitudes collected since the 2016 election, paints a more mixed picture. The highlights from Greenberg's focus groups and polls of voters in all 50 states include:

- Increased interest and expression of likelihood to vote among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, but that increase is wiped out by an almost equal rise in the same sentiments among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents.

- Despite poor personal ratings for President Trump (he is underwater on most personal questions in polls and a common theme in the focus groups is worry about his temperament impacting his ability to get things done) the Republican Party as a whole has not seen a decline in standing among Americans on character and competence issues. Even with Trump's low personal ratings, Americans still perceive the Republican Party as one that "Can make tough decisions that are best for the country" and "Best able to handle national security threats and strengthen America abroad."

- Unsurprisingly, many Americans say that they are tired of politics and don't think that the political process represents them. Voter interest in 2018 is higher among partisans on both sides, but lower among America as a whole. Surprisingly, it seems that the election of President Trump has resulted in a larger percentage of Democratic voters who say they won't vote or participate in 2018. Traditionally, opposition participation increased when one party control all the levers of power in Washington. The election of President Trump seems to have hurt the motivation of Democrats and rallied Republicans; a first for this type of finding.

- Despite a 57% disapproval for Congressional Republicans, 79% of Americans say that they would be willing to vote for Republican for congress. In focus groups, Americans overwhelmingly said that they vote for "the person and not the party."

- Only 17% of Americans support the GOP plan to replace Obamacare, but the saving grace for Republicans is that only 11% of Americans approve of the current state of healthcare in America. 82% say that the GOP bill "couldn't make it much worse" for most Americans to access and pay for healthcare in America.

- The overall picture from Greenberg is an America that is tired of politics, politicians, and elections. Even though there is discontent with President Trump's policies, many Americans have decided to tune out of politics (a disproportionate number of them Democrats - a worrying sign for DNC officials) and just cast a pox on all their houses. Americans are dissatisfied with President Trump's time in office so far, but they do not consider him a President who is "out of the mainstream compared to other Presidents" and consider him "about the same" as President Obama when it comes to partisanship, divisiveness, and the percentage of his actions that are "political and not practical."

This points to a 2018 election that looks a lot like 2016; with Republicans gaining a few seats, but otherwise maintaining the status quo due to a lack of voter participation or any wide-spread change in voting habits.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jul 15, 2017

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Wagecuck is a pretty hilarious phrase, but the mental degradation it speaks to is frightening

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

skylined! posted:

Trump Jr.
Kushner
Manafort
Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya
Rinat Akhmetshin
publicist Rob Goldstone
translator Anatoli Samochornov
mystery person

Too many Russians with too many letters in their last names.

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Doctor Candiru
Dec 23, 2004
Umbrella Monkey Sand
And apparently CNN has this: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/15/politics/who-is-rinat-akhmetshin/index.html

quote:

CNN has now confirmed that at least eight people were in the room, including Trump Jr.; Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner; Trump's then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort; Akhmetshin; Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, publicist Rob Goldstone, who helped set up the meeting; a translator; and a representative of the prominent Russian family who initiated the meeting. This information came from sources familiar with the details of the meeting who did not provide all the attendees' names.

What's still unconfirmed is who that last person is, and if any important information was given to, or left with the Trump team by the Russians.

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