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ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Stevefin posted:

And yet they will win cause Annastacia Palaszczuk is even more insane

Qld politics is generally insane from the outside. She could be so much worse, believe me.

And speaking of worse, here's a nice little smackdown reply to Andrew Bragg's recent Guardian bleat on theaimn.

So much power and yet, no mind control.

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Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

Synthbuttrange posted:

Oh no Red Symons has suffered a head injury and become a horrible person.

Nobody alert Daisy, or we'll be up for another 7 pages of pornographic conservative fanfic.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
He made a couple of jokes that would have suited the age in which he was popular and could have been taken as poking fun at people that still claim all Asians are the same. He then apologised for it in a fairly decent manner. Pretty funny he has a head injury and collapsed though guys.

racing identity
Apr 5, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

ewe2 posted:

And speaking of worse, here's a nice little smackdown reply to Andrew Bragg's recent Guardian bleat on theaimn.


That site gives off a real "I'm with Julia Twibbon" vibe

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Whitlam posted:

Iirc, the states can also agree to give the Commonwealth their state powers temporarily, but in practice, powers forfeited are never (or very, very rarely) returned, which is another reason states are so reluctant to give up power.

Interesting, I saw two articles in the herald today about power going back and forth between states and federal. Wonder if its a coincidence or a Baader-Meinhof thing.

quote:

I think even if we could somehow abolish the states and territories tomorrow, you'd still wind up with a similar system to what we have now, in terms of one official overseer (Federal Minister), and delegates (State Ministers) working under them.

Yeah there would still be a similar volume of work to do, but it wouldn't be so inherently adversarial, or duplicative, which would hopefully result in net gains.

quote:

There may be more consistency on some matters (see: our hilarious rail system), but I think practically speaking, Australia is just too big and varied to have a sole, singular authority on any single portfolio, and I can absolutely imagine the nightmare that could ensue (for instance, if every single regional or disadvantaged area had to compete against all others in the country for health funding, as opposed to just others in the state).

Is it, though? Geographically sure, but 22 million people is not that big. Like someone mentioned before, there is a difference between City and Rural, and perhaps regional, but most of the population lives in cities which aren't really very varied. And any variance could be handled at a local level.

quote:

Also, consistency isn't necessarily a good thing (see: our nationally consistent stance on same sex marriage).

Yeah, this is the egg basket argument. Like someone else said too, the whole idea is really as good as the Federal government is.


Les Affaires posted:

It's the same argument as having a monarch vs a republic, fyi. Without wholesale material oppression (via taxes, police state, corruption etc) it's just changing a bunch of stationery and brands for literally no gain.

e: well there's the stimulus aspect of spending money for no reason obviously...

Not really, an 8 fold duplication of government bureaucracy that shifts blame and responsibility and necessitates frustrating funding arguments is a bit different to a largely ceremonial head of state situation.



That opening sentence is... not correct. At least Gay got a boost out of it all though.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

quote:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/fed...717-gxcpgl.html
The Turnbull government is poised to go ahead with the creation of a national security super-department that would bring together ASIO, the Australian Federal Police and Australian Border Force, according to reports.

quote:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/17/malcolm-turnbull-to-give-defence-force-greater-powers-to-respond-to-terrorism
He said the changes would make it easier for ADF personnel to prevent suspected terrorists “from leaving the scene of an incident”.

He also wants ADF personnel to be placed within law enforcement agencies to assist with liaison and engagement between the ADF and police, and for defence to provide specialised training from special forces for select law enforcement teams.

quote:

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ons-willy-nilly
“Defence industry minister Christopher Pyne says he wants Australia to become a major arms exporter on par with Britain, France and Germany and use exports to ‘cement relationships’ with countries in volatile regions such as the Middle East.

Must be an election coming up.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Australian woman gets the full American experience of calling 911, is shot dead by responding cops.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Lol they're going to put a literal potato in charge of a department responsible for the AFP, ASIO and border farce what could possibly go wrong

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
The end result of Neo conservatism is exporting guns to the middle east apparently

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

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Synthbuttrange posted:

Australian woman gets the full American experience of calling 911, is shot dead by responding cops.

It's ok, I'm sure the body cameras will explain what happened

Oh wait they were all turned off never mind

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil
Why would we export arms? We don't even make guns for our own military.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

iajanus posted:

It's ok, I'm sure the body cameras will explain what happened

Oh wait they were all turned off never mind

If the actions are illegal the cameras have a way of shutting down

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




iajanus posted:

It's ok, I'm sure the body cameras will explain what happened

Oh wait they were all turned off never mind

I'm sure our government will ask the American government to provide a satisfactory explanation for what occurred in the death of our citizens they were playing host to, including a real explanation as to why these crucial devices were off.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
So instead of making Fords and Holdens we can make guns for some proxy war.

The Turnbull Government : Saving our manufacturing jobs

Tasmantor
Aug 13, 2007
Horrid abomination

norp posted:

Why would we export arms? We don't even make guns for our own military.

Pretty sure we do.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

open24hours posted:

Must be an election coming up.

Trumball needs Potato's support in the party room or there'll be a spill.

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

MikeJF posted:

I'm sure our government will ask the American government to provide a satisfactory explanation for what occurred in the death of our citizens they were playing host to, including a real explanation as to why these crucial devices were off.

She was white and good-looking so what happens next is anyone's guess.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

norp posted:

Why would we export arms? We don't even make guns for our own military.

They make the Steyer under licence in NSW.

thatbastardken
Apr 23, 2010

A contract signed by a minor is not binding!
Yeah the Lithgow armoury still exists.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Why exactly is Pyne considered moderate?

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.

Hobo Erotica posted:

Is it, though? Geographically sure, but 22 million people is not that big. Like someone mentioned before, there is a difference between City and Rural, and perhaps regional, but most of the population lives in cities which aren't really very varied. And any variance could be handled at a local level.

Globally and relatively, a population of 22 million is not that big. Practically it's still huge, and the differences in needs, training, equipment, and everything else you can think of will vary huge between regions. Even just the terms "metro" and "rural" are huge oversimplifications.

Individual states have a hard enough time bringing rural areas to parity as it is, with a population way less than 22 million. Now imagine a singular Federal Minister, not only trying to keep on top of all the needs of the 22 million people and the different regions they live in (even capital and major cities have different needs), but also trying to give a poo poo about rural areas, which are traditionally underdeveloped and underperforming on a number of metrics compared to metro areas, and have a fraction of the number of voters.

Some would argue that "handling variance at a local level" is a major part of the role that states play now (e.g. deciding how to allocate funding).

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:

Why exactly is Pyne considered moderate?

He doesn't want to murder the gays.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:

Why exactly is Pyne considered moderate?

Propaganda and normalisation.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:

Why exactly is Pyne considered moderate?

It's how he regards himself and how the rest of the Liberal Party regards him. He is in favour of same sex marriage, was against stripping citizenship from extremists, believes in climate change, is a republican, etc. His views are pretty similar to Turnbull's overall (ie centre-right) which makes them more moderate than most of the Liberal party.

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Jul 17, 2017

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Whitlam posted:

Globally and relatively, a population of 22 million is not that big. Practically it's still huge, and the differences in needs, training, equipment, and everything else you can think of will vary huge between regions. Even just the terms "metro" and "rural" are huge oversimplifications.

Individual states have a hard enough time bringing rural areas to parity as it is, with a population way less than 22 million. Now imagine a singular Federal Minister, not only trying to keep on top of all the needs of the 22 million people and the different regions they live in (even capital and major cities have different needs), but also trying to give a poo poo about rural areas, which are traditionally underdeveloped and underperforming on a number of metrics compared to metro areas, and have a fraction of the number of voters.

Some would argue that "handling variance at a local level" is a major part of the role that states play now (e.g. deciding how to allocate funding).

Regionalism is a thing, so administration should work hand in hand, but often it wants to be at arms-length for various reasons.

Take a microcosm of the problem, North Queensland. Take just one aspect, infrastructure. Roughly every decade there have been weather events that trash roads, towns, farms, silt rivers, destroy tourist attractions, etc. Millions of dollars involved, and in the certain knowledge that it will reoccur. This is a region that makes serious money in mining, tourism, and agriculture but the general attitude from "down south" is take what you can from it and skimp on everything else because you'll be spending on the same things again and again. There is understandable resentment from the people who have to live and work there. They are not being governed for, they're being governed at, and that's one reason why a particular style of politics has evolved up there.

But the problem with the Joyce style of forced-decentralisation is that it's for its own sake, there's no regional logic to it. If he succeeds, he'll only engender a new form of regionalism because then Canberra will seek to devolve those functions it doesn't deem "federal" enough, and we'll go back to the situation before federalism with competing wasteful regional departments.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010
I'm in Israel (yeah, yeah, I know) and random Australian woman without any instigation on my part starts talking about how Israel is better because it's a democracy compared to "Arab tribes" and that the west bank was at peace when Israel had full control :psyduck:

Not even nationalist IDF veteran museum staff were like this, why do Australians need to broadcast their bad opinions all over the world instead of confining them to dead gay comedy forums

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

I'm in Israel (yeah, yeah, I know) and random Australian woman without any instigation on my part starts talking about how Israel is better because it's a democracy compared to "Arab tribes" and that the west bank was at peace when Israel had full control :psyduck:

Not even nationalist IDF veteran museum staff were like this, why do Australians need to broadcast their bad opinions all over the world instead of confining them to dead gay comedy forums

It's alright apparently you can just rock up and shoot us now,

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Don Dongington posted:

It's alright apparently you can just rock up and shoot us now,

Good.

EDIT:

hooman fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Jul 17, 2017

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

I'm in Israel (yeah, yeah, I know) and random Australian woman without any instigation on my part starts talking about how Israel is better because it's a democracy compared to "Arab tribes" and that the west bank was at peace when Israel had full control :psyduck:

Not even nationalist IDF veteran museum staff were like this, why do Australians need to broadcast their bad opinions all over the world instead of confining them to dead gay comedy forums

Look forward to more laffs and carry on during the anniversary of the Balfour Declaration.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
I'm pretty sure Pyne and Albo are best friends forever

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."
It's not straight up Hentai so I doubt it will get past Steam's Greenlight system

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

hiddenmovement posted:

It's not straight up Hentai so I doubt it will get past Steam's Greenlight system

It's freeware.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Zenithe posted:

It's freeware.

I think you mean "early access"

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Whitlam posted:

Globally and relatively, a population of 22 million is not that big. Practically it's still huge, and the differences in needs, training, equipment, and everything else you can think of will vary huge between regions. Even just the terms "metro" and "rural" are huge oversimplifications.

Individual states have a hard enough time bringing rural areas to parity as it is, with a population way less than 22 million. Now imagine a singular Federal Minister, not only trying to keep on top of all the needs of the 22 million people and the different regions they live in (even capital and major cities have different needs), but also trying to give a poo poo about rural areas, which are traditionally underdeveloped and underperforming on a number of metrics compared to metro areas, and have a fraction of the number of voters.

Some would argue that "handling variance at a local level" is a major part of the role that states play now (e.g. deciding how to allocate funding).

Unless you're arguing that the funding the federal level distributes to the state level is perfectly equitable at the moment, wouldn't it make more sense to only have to make that allocation once? Score all schools nationally by suitable funding need, and just go from the one purse, rather than muddle it and go via the arbitrary states.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005


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DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Brandis needs a special attack that involves throwing expensive hardwood bookshelves at things.

Tony has friendly fire activated no matter what.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




DancingShade posted:

Tony has friendly fire activated no matter what.

Tony's one of those gimmick bosses where he just shoots up the walls until the roof falls in and crushes him.

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

DancingShade posted:

Brandis needs a special attack that involves throwing expensive hardwood bookshelves at things.

Tony has friendly fire activated no matter what.

He probably does, the game is really quite up with politics. Tony's special attack is "nod silently" and confuses journalists, and Joe Hockey blows cigars in peoples faces.

e. also tony is the player character

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DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Zenithe posted:

He probably does, the game is really quite up with politics. Tony's special attack is "nod silently" and confuses journalists, and Joe Hockey blows cigars in peoples faces.

e. also tony is the player character

When you die and respawn, your next life arrives in game via a helicopter piloted by Bishop.

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