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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that? Buy a gun, buy bottled water and army rations, buy a bucket as a bathroom.
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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that? A revolver and one bullet.
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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that? You don't. World ends. Wheeeeeeeee
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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that? You don't. Smart people who we trust have explained to us that a real, actual default by the US government on treasuries would trigger a worldwide panic and economic recession. We just have to assume that congress won't do that.
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skylined! posted:lose-lose for mcconnell either way. drawing battle lines with more vote and issues to tackle will win him nothing. not taking the vote will hurt him and his campaign, personally. But not doing anything will get him worse than nothing. It's like the dilemma faced by old sailing ship captains - if you don't come down hard on insubordination you risk allowing a mutiny to organize, but if you come down too hard you might touch one off yourself.
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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that? I'm not an expert but the impression I've gotten is that the US government defaulting on its debts is an economic catastrophe, so maybe dig up some archived newspapers from the 1930's for the hot tips.
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If you think the US military is bad now, wait until a default occurs and we decide to just attack the UK for their valuables and tech.
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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that? lots of grains, legumes, freeze dried food, iodine tablets, bottled water, one of those neat little purification tubes,
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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that? Report to your nearest survivalist nutjob and copy whatever he's been doing.
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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that? I think its somewhat overblown here but definitely not good times would be ahead of us and would definitely drive us into recession.
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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that?
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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that? Can you afford a fully equipped Fallout-style Vault that will sustain you and your loved ones for at least a couple of decades? If yes, that's how. If no, hahahahaha prepare for cannibalism.
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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that? I don't think anyone really knows how bad it would get. Probably at least a horrible recession we will not climb out of anytime soon. But hey, if it get's really bad, in the collapse of law and order I'll finally be able to poison my conservative relatives.
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Jul 18, 2017 18:21
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Rigel posted:We just have to assume that congress won't do that.
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Missing from this list: Giant Piece of poo poo Eric Greitens, who would never dare run afoul of Trump, citizens of Missouri be damned.
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Jul 18, 2017 18:23
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To be fair, Fox News has been running ads for years for things you'll need after a debt default.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:What was his argument, squatter's rights?   
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Feldegast42 posted:I think its somewhat overblown here but definitely not good times would be ahead of us and would definitely drive us into recession. We do like to exaggerate for maximum comedic effect on this, but yeah it would be pretty bad. Most of us would probably still have a job the month after a default, and the banks will probably still be open, but we'd be sent spiraling into a worldwide recession, and maybe even a depression. There will also be some funny Y2K-like glitches where computer systems weren't even programmed to accept the possibility that a treasury payment isn't made on time, but more important would be the worldwide psychological damage done to our country. It would be permanent to some degree. The day before the default everyone is absolutely certain that treasuries can be trusted even if nothing else can. The day after the default, everyone now has to price in the risk that the USA may inexplicably decide not to pay their bills for no good reason.
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Robot Hobo posted:Defaulting on debts is Donald Trump's signature business move, maybe he'll start yelling at Congress to just default, because its not big deal. You may say that business and government don't work the same way, but do you think anyone is going to make him believe that? I'm presuming that the plan for the last-minute debt ceiling increase will be to reach veto-proof majorities, and the leaders in congress will need to give themselves time to override a possible veto.
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So.... Shouldn't we be kind of psyched? At least for a day? Didn't the ACA just win? I mean yeah it's not in fantastic shape because of the flaws fundamental to the bill, but we've gone from thinking it would be gone entirely before March hits to it looking like it'll last at least through midterms.
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His authoritarianism is a feature, not a bug, for his rubes.
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"One hijacked airliner was stopped, impressive by any standard." -President George W Bush, September 12, 2001
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I'm pretty sure the new plan will be to give Price the tools he needs to dismantle Obamacare
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Robot Hobo posted:Defaulting on debts is Donald Trump's signature business move, maybe he'll start yelling at Congress to just default, because its not big deal. You may say that business and government don't work the same way, but do you think anyone is going to make him believe that? This is my fear as well.
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In my opinion, y'all shouldn't worry about a default cause if it even gets close literally all the business people will be telling him to avoid it all costs and he'll do his "agree with the last person who talked to me" thing and agree to pass whatever.
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[quote="“Robot Hobo”" post="“474479706”"] It’s just so he can go back to Daddy Trump and say “Look, I did exactly as you commanded, it was those other guys who voted it down.” The other Republican Senators may be getting tired of his poo poo, especially when he’s been caught lying to some of them, so he needs Trump to like and defend him as he moves on to other legislation. [/quote] Trump doesn’t even care about healthcare. This was all GOP leadership. If Trump actually cared he’d literally put his name on it. Trump owns a big enough business to probably self insure. He’d probably like a single payer system because it’d cost him less. It’s not like he’d pay the higher taxes that come with it.
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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that? You don't. There are literally hundreds of critical back-end programs out there that aren't even coded to deal with a missed Treasury payment.
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Jul 18, 2017 18:32
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Everyone needs to experience the full quote. https://twitter.com/TMannWSJ/status/887362118626013185
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WampaLord posted:In my opinion, y'all shouldn't worry about a default cause if it even gets close literally all the business people will be telling him to avoid it all costs and he'll do his "agree with the last person who talked to me" thing and agree to pass whatever. What about his "if everyone tells me the same thing they're all wrong" thing?
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So this isn't something I ever thought about before, largely cause I never followed politics before, but what exactly is the relationship between a state governor and a senator from that state? I'd assume they should be independent of each other but how does it actually work in practice?
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No Butt Stuff posted:Missing from this list: Giant Piece of poo poo Eric Greitens, who would never dare run afoul of Trump, citizens of Missouri be damned. Do you have any suggested reading about Eric Greitens? I've got a buddy that's a fan of him but I haven't kept up with what's going on with him.
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Hollismason posted:I'm pretty sure the new plan will be to give Price the tools he needs to dismantle Obamacare The most they can really do is make it super-obvious that they won't enforce the individual mandate to encourage people to drop insurance and lie on their taxes. That, and also gently caress the states that have federal exchanges. Hopefully it won't come to that, because if the GOP can't pass a budget on their own because of the HFC crazies, Pelosi and Schumer have already told the GOP that the price for getting their help to pass a budget is Obamacare fixes and defunding the wall.
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Spiritus Nox posted:So.... I don't see how they ever pass a repeal bill at all. The whole 'let obamacare explode' thing is utter nonsense, and like it or not people blame whoever is in power for whatever is happening to them right now. A lot of morons will still blame Obama, but it is another blow to the base that will peel off at least some supporters into apathy or outright revolt. It's definitely good, and even if they come back and try again, it gets harder and harder every time.
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Stairmaster posted:so if the government defaults how do you even prepare for that? I know I'll definitely be putting on my red lipstick and pumps and the booty shorts, because about the only currency that I'll have will be the ability to love long time. Because the concept of money will be totally meaningless beyong barter and trading, and the very primal nature of human beings.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:What about his "if everyone tells me the same thing they're all wrong" thing? At that point, even his kids would be saying "Daddy, this is going to lose us a lot of money" I would hope that's something even his dumbass brain can latch onto.
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