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Jinh posted:Quoting this to steal when I get home for heal lb, I'm like crying laughing about it i'm going to be completely honest here--so much of a scholar's power is locked behind manual control of eos. if you don't enjoy controlling eos, you may simply be happier on AST. but controlling eos isn't actually that hard! 99% of the time you can just set her to follow/obey, and treat her buttons just like an additional three spells you cast like any other. literally bind them to your hotbars in the same way that you would bind "aoe regen" or whatever if they were spells your own character could cast. you're basically doing dungeon pulls right though, make sure you apply Eye for an Eye on cooldown and abuse Excogitation. don't be afraid to dissipate for more lustrates if you feel a pull slipping away from you--you can always resummon your fairy later.
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Rhymenoserous posted:Imo the ast toolbox is much larger than SCH, the only thing SCH does better is heal while not pressing healing buttons. Honestly ast feels a lot more like a feature complete class than SCH does. The only thing I don't like about AST is that it feels remarkably crappy if you do LDR and get sent to one of the really early dungeons. I think you literally have three buttons and no cards if you get kicked into Sastasha. Also, Miasma II would have been nice as a non-Aetherflow AOE option on noted dead gay class SMN.
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Reiterpallasch posted:i'm going to be completely honest here--so much of a scholar's power is locked behind manual control of eos. if you don't enjoy controlling eos, you may simply be happier on AST. but controlling eos isn't actually that hard! 99% of the time you can just set her to follow/obey, and treat her buttons just like an additional three spells you cast like any other. literally bind them to your hotbars in the same way that you would bind "aoe regen" or whatever if they were spells your own character could cast. I tend to treat eos as a cooldown, just hit sic when poo poo hits the fan. It's not the best way to do it, but it's also not the worst and is probably what I would suggest new players do so that they get used to thinking of eos as more than a thing that follows you and randomly shits healing out, and you'll eventually be more likely to actually use her abilities well. Also AFAIK they didn't buff selene, so she's still not worth using over eos. The skill speed buff doesn't make up for the time you're spending healing instead of dpsing. I haven't looked into it too much since SB, and since healing SB content I wouldn't want to try doing it without eos, the healing requirements are just too much.
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:Also, Miasma II would have been nice as a non-Aetherflow AOE option on noted dead gay class SMN. (Insert Tri-Bind joke here)
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It really does feel more like a SMN spell than SCH... (pls don't take it away from me yoship)
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Reiterpallasch posted:incidentally, the new quickened aetherflow implementation is actually kind of a significant buff to dissipation, which is really funny once you think about the idea of dropping 9 lustrates in like 15 seconds Yeah, you get a 30s reduction on aetherflow cooldown if you do it in the right order lmao
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Reiterpallasch posted:i'm going to be completely honest here--so much of a scholar's power is locked behind manual control of eos. if you don't enjoy controlling eos, you may simply be happier on AST. but controlling eos isn't actually that hard! 99% of the time you can just set her to follow/obey, and treat her buttons just like an additional three spells you cast like any other. literally bind them to your hotbars in the same way that you would bind "aoe regen" or whatever if they were spells your own character could cast. Ah ok I assumed selene was the good fairy due to the speed boost ability. Appreciate the feedback, I mained smn through 3.x and had Garuda on Obey through it all so managing pet actions isn't too bad to me. I just didn't see anything as micromanagey as contagion and figured it wouldn't be much of a difference but I'll take your word for it and report back. Wait a sec you can put pet actions on other hotbars without rebinding the pet bar or macros?
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:I tend to treat eos as a cooldown, just hit sic when poo poo hits the fan. It's not the best way to do it, but it's also not the worst and is probably what I would suggest new players do so that they get used to thinking of eos as more than a thing that follows you and randomly shits healing out, and you'll eventually be more likely to actually use her abilities well.
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The secret to dungeon healing as SCH is seeing how long you can go without casting any heals except Excog. More seriously, the 4.05 buffs made SCH fun to play again in dungeons, and that's Very Good. Anyway, I did some quick and dirty napkin math for potency per second on Miasma II vs. Holy/Gravity, and it works out to roughly 60 PPS less at base GCD/cast times, assuming you average 3 ticks over 12s. (I know you can get 4 in that time, but that'd be under perfect conditions, so.) So yeah, it's pretty drat strong when you take into account Bane and Shadow Flare.
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Jinh posted:Wait a sec you can put pet actions on other hotbars without rebinding the pet bar or macros? yeah you can straight up get to them from the pet actions tab on the actions menu
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jalapeno_dude posted:(Insert Tri-Bind joke here) I'm still baffled that they thought a spell with a potency 1/3 of ruin's needed a 3s cast time
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Reiterpallasch posted:yeah you can straight up get to them from the pet actions tab on the actions menu God drat it. 2 years of clicking contagion wasted
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Miasma is a bit less than holy, but coupled with bane it's pretty good. I'm looking forward to doing top dungeon dps again.
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Jul 19, 2017 20:54
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Rhymenoserous posted:Honestly ast feels a lot more like a feature complete class than SCH does. That's because SCH is a bastardised Arcanist that suffers from that, while AST, like every other non Arcanist job, isn't jerry rigged from an unsuitable base. Not that SCH sucks, cos it doesn't, but it'd be better if for 5.0 they just killed everything about it that it takes from ACN and rejig it all so that everything they have now exists, but is better to play.
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I think sch/ast/whm balance is a lot closer than its ever been in the game's history, but ast probably has a slight edge over sch -if you are in a hardcore progression group thats clearing the content 15 ilvls below what it was designed for-
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Ninja is fun but I am spectacularly good at turning my Ten Chi Jin into a bloody mechanics magnet. NIN is the new BLM, it seems 
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Ciaphas posted:Ninja is fun but I am spectacularly good at turning my Ten Chi Jin into a bloody mechanics magnet. NIN is the new BLM, it seems Same thing as Jump here, my dude. Give the boss one or two seconds to start an attack, move out of the danger zone, and embrace the animation lock. Yeah it's technically a DPS loss to not use it immediately when it comes off cooldown but death is the biggest DPS loss of all, and also I'll make fun of you if you eat something silly.
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Ciaphas posted:Ninja is fun but I am spectacularly good at turning my Ten Chi Jin into a bloody mechanics magnet. NIN is the new BLM, it seems almost all of this is 'learning the fight' and knowing when to do things. susano is casting ukehi or stormsplitter? ten chi jin. you're just about to break someone out of the rocks? don't loving do it because you're going to be moving for lightning. this is basically the same thing as when one of my rdm friends goes 'ARGH MY MELEE COMBO' when they start it during the middle of mechanics and they get stoned/stunned/have to run away from the boss/frogged/etc. like, the bosses are generally in pretty set patterns of poo poo. don't start your melee combo when halicarnassus drops the playing field in p2, because she's going to frog after it (or do it and just actually pay attention to her facing indicator)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crTIWWbr8nY Angered's V4s kill. 20 minutes from start to finish, jesus.
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One thing to know about the fight, Exdeath is ExFaust. If you wipe on Neo you start at Neo again. So it's a 4:30 fight and a 12~ minute fight, not one single 20 minute fight.
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Calling it now, the new classes introduced in 5.0 will just be SMN and SCH, finally separated.
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Tsurupettan posted:almost all of this is 'learning the fight' and knowing when to do things. susano is casting ukehi or stormsplitter? ten chi jin. you're just about to break someone out of the rocks? don't loving do it because you're going to be moving for lightning. Oh sure. It's slightly strange, I basically know Susan and Snake EX like the palm of my hand but I lose track of when Alt Right is going to teleport or Gravity Dude is going to force everyone to run to center. Ninja feels loving great to play though, especially for a melee class. Except Shukuchi, I still can't use that very well. 
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Rainuwastaken posted:Same thing as Jump here, my dude. Give the boss one or two seconds to start an attack, move out of the danger zone, and embrace the animation lock. Yeah it's technically a DPS loss to not use it immediately when it comes off cooldown but death is the biggest DPS loss of all, and also I'll make fun of you if you eat something silly. Nope. Not getting out of this 
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TheRagamuffin posted:Calling it now, the new classes introduced in 5.0 will just be SMN and SCH, finally separated. we discussed this in the discord and established that the new class will be skateboarder (SK8) featuring special guest star tony hawk as the job trainer
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I think it's pretty likely that the next classes will be blue mage and something xiv-original In my heart it's a Rikku-inspired alchemist though
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SKULL.GIF posted:the succor zone  succor not the tri-bound to live Also Neo's hissy fit ability looks like a blast to heal through jesus.
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In a surprising twist of fate 5.0 will introduce a new gatherer and crafter instead of battle classes. Dale Gribble (GRB) will be a Disciple of Land that gathers evidence of alien overlords and a largescale Eorzean Alliance conspiracy. Weedsmith (420) will be a Disciple of Hand that makes all-natural herbal medicines for both practical and recreational use. Access to Savage content will be gated by items crafted by this class.
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Kithyen posted:gently caress it. Just get completely meta and have the final bosses be the original Final Fantasy XIV 1.0 dev team :V Tanaka-Savage. https://youtu.be/VsNIcr5OHbE
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I'm still looking to merge my small FC on Sargatanas into another, larger FC, if any of you plays there or can recommend someone. We have six active raiders now, and I'm tired of having to pug open slots.
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Ciaphas posted:Ninja is fun but I am spectacularly good at turning my Ten Chi Jin into a bloody mechanics magnet. NIN is the new BLM, it seems Yeah, TCJ is a process of just learning fights. I still screw it up for time to time. It's fun to take risks though. Like if I see someone get tagged for lightning in Susano EX, I'm gonna go for it. Surely I have the time to bust it all out. Then, as if guided by karma, I am the next one marked. Axle_Stukov posted:One thing to know about the fight, Exdeath is ExFaust. If you wipe on Neo you start at Neo again. So it's a 4:30 fight and a 12~ minute fight, not one single 20 minute fight. That's a relief.
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Throne of Bhalz posted:I'm still looking to merge my small FC on Sargatanas into another, larger FC, if any of you plays there or can recommend someone. We have six active raiders now, and I'm tired of having to pug open slots. Unless this is a casual thing, it would be easier to search for two people to join your group rather than trying to find a fc and assuming it will fill your slots consistently. Solo Wing Pixy posted:Also, Miasma II would have been nice as a non-Aetherflow AOE option on noted dead gay class SMN. At this point the SMN aoe rotation is so well served by painflare and DWT/Bahamut that they do not need anything else. nuru fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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nuru posted:Unless this is a casual thing, it would be easier to search for two people to join your group rather than trying to find a fc and assuming it will fill your slots consistently. The majority of the game's content does not have bahamut or deathflare available.
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hobbesmaster posted:The majority of the game's content does not have bahamut or deathflare available. Everyone is busted in low level 
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LOCUST FART HELL posted:we got a maoi statue for the please calm down house! not only does it keep a watchful eye on our neighbours, it has also enabled roof access As the #1 best Omega jumper I also nabbed a few screenshots before finding out that DCing on the roof puts you back on the ground:    Looking down on the poor and desperate is fun.
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Here I am on top of the house Also Lyra and myself! 
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nuru posted:Everyone is busted in low level BLM, DRK, WAR, uhhhh I guess that's it.
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hobbesmaster posted:BLM, DRK, WAR, uhhhh I guess that's it. don't forget about rdm having an aoe from like level 12 as well as 300 potency nukes
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