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Groovelord Neato posted:lol there's no way trump jr doesn't gently caress up his testimony royally. Get the gently caress in.
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I seriously hope they clarify executive privilege before then so he can't just pull a Sessions.
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Randbrick posted:The whole drug money angle is definitely there in forfeiture, but it's not just drugs. In some states, forfeiture will be had on any instrumentalities of a felony, like say a 3rd or subsequent dwi, the states could try to take the car. Yep. Even most lawyers won't help or, if they want to, can't do poo poo about it. It's basically...well, not "basically"...EXACTLY a way for cops to simply take your poo poo, even if you're not convicted, and there's essentially...wait...not "essentially"...NOTHING you can loving do about it, whether it involved drugs or not. Surprised the "big government" opponents don't make a bigger stink about it to be honest but they tend to be bit selective. It's a real thing that really happens - and I'm not saying that everyone it happens to is innocent - but that's not the point and it's a clear violation of the 4th amendment and more people should be concerned about it. Say, if you and your fiance are on your way to Key West and the cops find half a joint in your car, they can quite literally seize it, along with everything in it. poo poo, they can bust into your loving home, turn it upside down, wreck everything in it, leave the front door broken in and bullet holes in the wall, take half of everything of value they might find as "evidence" and never ever be held accountable even if they had the wrong house. I'm not gonna post links because it's easily searchable and happens too much. Our attorney general wants to expand this particular power, and actually just did. The party of "less government" and " personal freedom", ladies and gentlemen.
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Google Butt posted:Are they gonna do the pre executive privilege thing that sessions did Neither DonJr nor Manafort has a job in the executive. I believe the Kushner hearing is closed.
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Rigel posted:well, the theory is not that you are buying drugs, its that you are selling them. But yeah, if your skin is too dark, we're taking the money, but if you are old and white, hey congrats on your lucky jackpot! You are driving home from a casino, right? OK, take care. This may sound like paranoid bullshit to some goons abroad, but I assure you: With civil forfeiture, this is just how we roll in these united states. 
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Rigel posted:well, the theory is not that you are buying drugs, its that you are selling them. But yeah, if your skin is too dark, we're taking the money, but if you are old and white, hey congrats on your lucky jackpot! You are driving home from a casino, right? OK, take care. You have to buy drugs to sell them first! Also they really don't need any reason at all: quote:Last September, Tan Nguyen was pulled over for driving three miles over the speed limit, according to a suit he filed. Deputy Lee Dove asked to search the car but Nguyen said he declined. Dove claimed he smelled marijuana but couldn’t find any drugs. The deputy then searched the car and found a briefcase containing $50,000 in cash and cashier’s checks, which he promptly seized. According to the Associated Press, Nguyen said he won that cash at a casino. Literally driving the speed limit is enough proof for them to take your car or money and force you to go to court to get it back.
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Jul 19, 2017 23:14
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HappyHippo posted:Neither DonJr nor Manafort has a job in the executive. I believe the Kushner hearing is closed. Doesn't mean that the Republicans on the panel won't take "executive privilege" as an answer. Or they'll just plead the the fif https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERm_WNxGs1U
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So have any prominent right-wing people pointed out that by failing to repeal the ACA they're implicitly admitting that it actually WAS better than the status quo? Seems pretty obvious if you think about it for more than two seconds
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Spaced God posted:Doesn't mean that the Republicans on the panel won't take "executive privilege" as an answer. To be fair, Sessions didn't use 'executive privilege' - since the administration has to assert that and has not - he made up some poo poo that doesn't exist about how all conversations with the president no matter what are automatically confidential and privileged until the president says otherwise.
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ekeog posted:To be fair, Sessions didn't use 'executive privilege' - since the administration has to assert that and has not - he made up some poo poo that doesn't exist about how all conversations with the president no matter what are automatically confidential and privileged until the president says otherwise. My point was more "they'll do the exact same thing and make up some bullshit and no matter how wrong or dumb it is republicans will accept it and not press them any further"
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Jul 19, 2017 23:23
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Forfeiture is an extreme presentation of something really dark and secret in the heart of the American legal tradition. We have a presumption that it is suspect for certain people to have money. I am not being metaphorical. When prosecutors have solid cases, they convict, by plea or trial. Forfeiture is for when they don't. In those cases, literally, to reach the 50%+1 of proof by a preponderance of the evidence standard, the evidence reads like, "Black man driving car with a bunch of money." The only way such a case could prevail is if there were a presumption, informal or otherwise, that the fact of possession by person looking like x is suspect. I did not use an adjective to describe the black man's car. That is because the same trooper talking about a nice car or a lovely car, or a suspiciously average car is talking to the same circuit court judge. They can agree that any black man's car is suspect for any reason, no matter how it looks.
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Rex-Goliath posted:So have any prominent right-wing people pointed out that by failing to repeal the ACA they're implicitly admitting that it actually WAS better than the status quo? Seems pretty obvious if you think about it for more than two seconds "Obama and his army of left wing terrorists destroyed healthcare in our country. He set it into a downward motion which can not be stopped by trying to set it back to the status quo." Using dogmatic right wing ideologies to get past logical fallacies is so easy.
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Rex-Goliath posted:So have any prominent right-wing people pointed out that by failing to repeal the ACA they're implicitly admitting that it actually WAS better than the status quo? Seems pretty obvious if you think about it for more than two seconds Unfortunately, they still have Republicans who will blame the filthy Democrats. Of course there's evidence that this is actually starting to have an impact on the base, for once.
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This meeting tonight is making me uncomfortable. If the BCRA is dead and partial repeal is dead, why have a meeting and hold a vote?
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Rex-Goliath posted:So have any prominent right-wing people pointed out that by failing to repeal the ACA they're implicitly admitting that it actually WAS better than the status quo? Seems pretty obvious if you think about it for more than two seconds why the hell would a right-wing person point that out
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Jul 19, 2017 23:24
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Mantis42 posted:The Way of the Blade is a hard path to travel, boner-san. Also you're suppose to forge and make your own blades but not train to/heavily use them. Going from the tv show Forged in Fire and the one thread in DIY about blacksmithing this is apparently a not rare hobby?
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So Trump, it seems, just basically wants his name or his visage sewn into the American flag or have an extra (and bigger) orange star added to the field of 50. Maybe put the website for his lovely steaks or one of his hotels or casinos in small type 8 pt type on one of the stripes. I'm thinking the lower right hand red one, in Bodoni Poster font, all caps and PhotoShopped, 3d gold letters. Create an entirely new state named TRUMP too. Maybe give him Puerto Rico and let him run amok with it. Make that orange star the biggest, hugest one on the flag and put it in the center or something. Perhaps, maybe, if that's not enough, build some lovely monument on the DC mall somewhere that's just a big Android phone that rotates and rotates all of his historic tweets? Add audio and charge everyone five bucks to hear it. Then make him pay for it. If we agree to do that, can we convince him to resign with dignity and loving go away? Because it seems to be all he wants; subservience, attention and round the clock worship and acquiescence.
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Jul 19, 2017 23:26
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Dietrich posted:Whatever you do, don't read the The Quantum Thief series. Matjek Chen Did Nothing Wrong
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Jul 19, 2017 23:27
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business hammocks posted:This meeting tonight is making me uncomfortable. If the BCRA is dead and partial repeal is dead, why have a meeting and hold a vote? https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/887115051106050048 The AHCA/BCRA is dead only when Mitch McConnell says he isn't trying anymore. Any celebrations at this point are completely premature. Republicans need this for reasons that go beyond hating Obama or wanting to say that they tried. They're losing, but they're not going to give up until they are completely out of options.
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Paradoxish posted:https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/887115051106050048 On the other hand: “I don’t think there are 40 votes to repeal and say to the American people, ‘Well, trust us to come up with something in the next couple of years.’ I don’t think that’s a good idea.” — Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN), quoted by CNN., on the proposed “clean” repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
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Jul 19, 2017 23:30
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McConnell very well might hold the vote anyway and force Republicans to go on a recorded vote opposing the Obamacare repeal, specifically to hurt them in their next primary. You're seeing a lot of comparisons between Reid and McConnell where Reid's support of and support from his caucus is contrasted with McConnell's contempt of and contempt from his own.
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There is some irony in the Republicans being forced to continue to carry on with this bill when they'd rather just abort.
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Trabisnikof posted:You have to buy drugs to sell them first! I think in 2015 the amount of money from asset forfeitures was greater than the amount from larcenies. And from this article it looks like it was mostly taken from black and latino people too.
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Teddybear posted:McConnell very well might hold the vote anyway and force Republicans to go on a recorded vote opposing the Obamacare repeal, specifically to hurt them in their next primary. contempt is the appropriate response to a republican though Of course it's McConnell's own fault, he's reaping what he sowed
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Trabisnikof posted:On the other hand: What is it that you're trying to say here? I don't think Republicans have a shot in hell of getting a repeal through, but I also don't think they're done trying.
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Jul 19, 2017 23:33
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Paradoxish posted:What is it that you're trying to say here? Sounds like we agree that any meetings tonight or scheduled votes aren't signals to Covok just yet.
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Look at it this way: every time an attempt fails more trump voters decide to sit out the election.
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Trabisnikof posted:Sounds like we agree that any meetings tonight or scheduled votes aren't signals to Covok just yet. I... ok? I have no idea how you interpreted my post as panicking about this, but sure.
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Dmitri-9 posted:I think in 2015 the amount of money from asset forfeitures was greater than the amount from larcenies. And from this article it looks like it was mostly taken from black and latino people too. You don't say. Who could have figured?
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Trabisnikof posted:On the other hand: That's the pure-repeal-no-replace. I still think we have a better chance than not of Trumpcare passing in some form before the 2018 elections.
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business hammocks posted:This meeting tonight is making me uncomfortable. If the BCRA is dead and partial repeal is dead, why have a meeting and hold a vote? Never underestimate the ability of Republicans to do evil, but it seems like this meeting is almost entirely only taking place to placate the baby at the head of their party. There's still nothing actually bridging the gap between those who lust for the death and destruction of millions and those who think maybe trying to kill their own constituents is a little too far.
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HappyHippo posted:https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/887793981718974464 Yesssssssss
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Gyges posted:Never underestimate the ability of Republicans to do evil, but it seems like this meeting is almost entirely only taking place to placate the baby at the head of their party. There's still nothing actually bridging the gap between those who lust for the death and destruction of millions and those who think maybe trying to kill their own constituents is a little too far. Yep, the real purpose of the effort at this point is to prevent or minimize a gop civil war in the middle of the midterms.
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Trabisnikof posted:Who cares about Russia or guns when there is a scandal involving Hillary Clinton and her Giving Federal employees time off so they can engage in the political process? NOT ON MY WATCH YOU COMMIE BASTARDS! 
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Rad Russian posted:Single-payer for whites (minus gays) could be the new GOP platform and would get support. Other races can be easily added in the future. Rad Russian posted:Single-payer for whites (minus gays) could be the new GOP platform and would get support. Other races can be easily added in the future. I know this is a joke but I could honestly see that being proposed so long as you're above a certain income level or a homeowner. Seriously, a medicare opt in for people who work 40 hours/wk, no matter where (7/11, Wendy's, landscaping, whatever), would actually be a really, really smart thing for Republicans to offer and draw help them draw in their shrinking demographics of lower income voters. poo poo...come of think of it, it might be a bad angle for Democrats to take to be honest: If you work full time, you get full health care coverage. Period. This way they could do what Clinton did with welfare reform and tie it to working full time and avoid the mirage of it seeming like a hand out. But how do I know that shithead Republican business owners will just cut everyone's hours to 35/wk out of spite even though it won't affect them nor their bottom lines in any way?
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Apparently Trump's sales pitch today leaned hard on the provision allowing insurance plans to be sold across state lines. This provision, of course, does not exist in the bill since it wouldn't be allowed under reconciliation. No wonder Heller was laughing.
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Feldegast42 posted:Gun sales are down because Obama is out of office so they are going full 1488 to get people buying guns again. Yeah...if there's one thing the United States or its citizens lack , it's a shortage of loving firearms. I don't even WANT a gun and I own one, thanks to my father dying and leaving several behind. gently caress safe food, clean air, renewable affordable energy and water and access to medicine or doctors. I'll just shoot myself when the time is right. Jokes on you, fuckers.
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https://twitter.com/Scout_Finch/status/887791141839568896 "You, me, let's jerk off to the piss tape"
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