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BravestOfTheLamps posted:While the villain part sounds like liberal pandering, which was probably inevitable, I'm glad the movie seems to upset people who wring their hands over "likable characters". Imo the most important part of any story. Note: Simmons, Powers, and Gamby are all likable characters to some degree.
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It's such an incredibly pathetic sentiment, and always gives me the impression of a very lonely person. e: And it's a very cargo cult-ish way of reading fiction. Not to mention that examples of "likable" characters are always questionable, like Han Solo (drug trafficker) or, you know, Tony Stark. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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Jul 21, 2017 10:41
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Jul 21, 2017 10:44
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Valerian looks dope. Gonna see it tonight. Never read the comic, but Luc Besson has made some cool stuff in the past and the movie looks like it will have wonderful visuals. The movie is definitely for sure gonna bomb hard though.
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Jul 21, 2017 10:45
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Not to mention that examples of "likable" characters are always questionable, like Han Solo (drug trafficker) or, you know, Tony Stark. Don't forget Marge Gunderson.
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Jul 21, 2017 12:29
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Han Solo and Tony Stark are likeable because both the characters and the actors are charismatic. Dane DeHann/Valerian and Cara Delevigne/Laureline are not in the slightest.
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Jul 21, 2017 13:53
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Boo, I had high hopes for Valerian. I'll still go see it but with low expectations. I love Dane DeHaan but he makes zero sense as a sympathetic action adventure protagonist, he just... looks weird. I have no idea what the casting people were thinking. Delevingne could do a good job I suppose.
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Jul 21, 2017 13:54
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The only showing of Valerian in 2D at the local theater is while I'm at work. Lame. Guess I'll go see it tomorrow.
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Jul 21, 2017 13:56
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I loved the fifth element, I like sci-fi, I liked dane dehaan in Asm2. I just cannot stand Cara delevigne, I don't like her face, I thought she was possibly the shittest thing in suicide squad (which is saying a lot) and I think she's a poo poo "actress" if you can even call her that.
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Jul 21, 2017 14:04
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I've always said that more films need to feature unlikeable assholes who learn absolutely nothing over the course of the film.
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Jul 21, 2017 14:10
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Current rumor buzz I'm reading on twitter is that Matthew Vaughn and Patty Jenkins are both prime candidates to direct Man of Steel 2. I'd be cool with either of them 
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Co-direct I'd prefer Jenkins probably. I wonder if they will try to put Wonder Woman in every movie whenever possible like Iron Man in Marvel. John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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Jul 21, 2017 14:19
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I don't think characters have to be likeable, they just have to be interesting. People love watching some obviously awful characters if they're interesting and you want to see what they do next. Likeability is just one of the easier ways to get an audience invested in a character. On another note, pondering the DC movies and how there's a running theme, and not a particular subtle one, of the caped characters being mythologised, and often mythologising themselves. Superman is seen as a god or saviour, and is uncomfortable with the idea, but seems hesitant to refute if only because it seems to be the way people can accept and appreciate him. Batman obviously actively works to make himself a symbol, and by the time of the movie is going into overdrive with his bat-brand to try to have more impact, culminating in Bruce mythologising himself and his family as hunters. And Wonder Woman, obviously, is a living myth, who sees herself Quixotically as a hero on a quest to slay the villain and restore peace to the land. (She is basically Don Quixote who actually has the power to back it up, but not yet the wisdom) When the myth is stripped away, she loses direction. They are, quite rightly, all very concerned about what the world at large thinks of them and categorises them as; Batman tries to carve out a niche, Superman has to whether he wants to or not, and Wonder Woman hides from the world until she meets her peers.
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Chairman Capone posted:Just saw Valerian. The theater was almost empty - maybe a dozen or so total besides me, and I think at least four of them walked out about the 2/3 mark. My views (keeping in mind I have not read the comics): Hmmm - "unrelatable" main character - "looks like a video game" - references to Phantom Menace - beautiful visuals I think we've found CineD's movie of the year!
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Jul 21, 2017 14:43
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There's no question Valerian is good if the criticism of it is that it's annoyingly unconventional.
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Valerian being an "unlikable" dullard certainly gives me faith in the movie as an adaptation. Just like in the comics!
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How scary was Valerian? I have a small child I would like to maybe take if it wasn't too scary, and one trailer I saw kind of cut it like a kid's film. And was it particularly gory? And was the depiction of women decent or were they mostly objectified?
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Jul 21, 2017 15:06
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are the quips on point?
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I wanna go see Valerian but it doesn't get released here in Australia until August 10, what the gently caress.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:How scary was Valerian? I have a small child I would like to maybe take if it wasn't too scary, and one trailer I saw kind of cut it like a kid's film. And was it particularly gory? And was the depiction of women decent or were they mostly objectified? They will love Rihanna's character.
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RevolverDivider posted:Death Note looks interesting, and I like that they're willing to change stuff and do a different spin on it. Light was a supervillain from day one in the anime, and it looks like they're going for a more gradual descent into insanity which plays better for this. I normally don't care about fidelity to the source, but the Ddaw of Death Note to me wasn't the conceit of the Note itself, it was two sociopaths going at it because of their egos - basically Sherlock vs. Moriarty with a supernatural twist, with the protagonist being Morarty this time. Losing the "they are both sociopaths from the start" aspect kind of loses the point of it to me.
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DeimosRising posted:You do know the action choreographer on The Matrix was Yuen Woo Ping, director of Drunken Master and Snake In Eagle's Shadow (among a pile of other all time greats), right? He was working with people that weren't forced into child slavery in theatrical schools their whole lives and it hurt the choreography greatly.
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To me the success of Valerian hinges ENTIRELY on if it's bugfuck French fried crazy like the Fifth Element was. My fear is that it's TOO normal and will bore me. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:There's no question Valerian is good if the criticism of it is that it's annoyingly unconventional. Everyone reviewing Valerian seemingly pretends they liked Fifth Element all along, which muddles the poo poo out of things because I *know* 90% of them hated it when it came out for being weird and French and poo poo.
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Seriously. Every single review seems to criticize Valerian for the exact same poo poo Fifth Element is guilty of.
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Bruce Willis almost murders the high command by stuffing them into his apartment's freezer. It's all gold. Give me 9 hours of that poo poo now. His cat Sweetie pulls the best animal reaction shot in cinema history. RUBY RHOD? ON *MY* TV?!? 
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Guy A. Person posted:Hmmm Does it have "subtext"?
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Sometimes a Valerian is just a Valerian. Really looking forward to it, watched Lucy a week ago and got me hyped as gently caress.
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BiggerBoat posted:Does it have "subtext"? Everything does if you "read into it" enough!
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Guy A. Person posted:Everything does if you "read into it" enough! But what are you really saying?
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You would understand if you could use more than 10% of your brain. But alas, that is the upper limit for human beings.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:You would understand if you could use more than 10% of your brain. But alas, that is the upper limit for human beings. whoosh
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RBA Starblade posted:whoosh It is a Lucy joke!
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I...I whooshed myself.
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BiggerBoat posted:Does it have "subtext"? Valerian doesn't do "subtext". 
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Al Borland Corp. posted:How scary was Valerian? I have a small child I would like to maybe take if it wasn't too scary, and one trailer I saw kind of cut it like a kid's film. And was it particularly gory? And was the depiction of women decent or were they mostly objectified? I'm sort of curious about this too. I have an autistic little brother who might love this movie, but if it's a particularly hard PG-13 it might not be great for him (though he's been able to do stuff like Edge of Tomorrow and the F&F movies without HUGE issue- he was scared by the former at first and then he realized it was, in his view, a Minecraft movie and Tom Cruise just needed to put the difficulty on Peaceful).
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Time travel hasn't been invented yet, but in thirty years, it will have been.Drifter posted:I watched Lucy a few months ago and thought it was pretty boring as gently caress. 
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SleepCousinDeath posted:Sometimes a Valerian is just a Valerian. I watched Lucy a few months ago and thought it was pretty uncompelling as gently caress. It was nice to theoretically have a woman-starring action thing, but meh. Of course I also thought John Wick was also relatively uninteresting - it had a better cast of characters, at least. I guess they're both uninteresting action movies done well, if that makes sense. Drifter fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jul 21, 2017 |
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Hey guys did you know that the whole we only use 10% of our brain thing is a myth? As a smart science person I want to make sure you guys know this little known factoid.
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I hated Lucy, it was god awful. I wish I could generalize everyone who liked it as an idiot, but I liked BvS so I'm not better than them.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Hey guys did you know that the whole we only use 10% of our brain thing is a myth? As a smart science person I want to make sure you guys know this little known factoid. No no, the 10% thing is how much average brain activity you use in order to appreciate an MCU movie...or the average activity of a person who dislikes MoS/BvS.
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