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Rigel posted:New ruling from the Senate parliamentarian: the so-called "age tax" needs 60 votes. Probably why they stuck the Cruz amendment to it, it was going to require 60 votes and fail anyways. farraday fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Aurubin posted:Out of curiosity, why wasn't Gardner ever on the "moderate" list? Colorado voted for Hilary by a decent margin. Is it just that 4 years is too far in legislative memory? also its because Gardner is a piece of poo poo who only pretended to be a moderate when he was trying to get elected. he's absolutely hosed in 2020.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:The histrionics in this thread are pretty pathetic. Everyone that thinks the sky is already falling should take a walk if they're able to. Gnashing your teeth about a 50-50 vote to proceed with debate on a half-baked bill is a bit premature. Why do people keep coming in here and posting this garbage? Do you realize your posts are about as worthless as the chicken little posts? And now I'm worse than you. Thank you Kawasaki Nun for keeping this thread a place for reason and justice.
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Petr posted:Are you assuming that the moderates vote the way they did last time? I admit I don't have an exact vote count of how the house went down previously, but it seems really unlikely to me that the tortilla coast could hold up the thing on their own. HFC has 31 votes. they absolutely can hold the thing up on their own.
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Poor people with a glioblastoma don't get to avoid suffering, though. A lot of suffering, that extends past them and hits their whole families in material ways. Why should McCain? Yeah obviously McCain's suffering won't solve anything but how do people not understand this sentiment coming from frustrated people who currently have no political power?
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Do you know how much better "Flush that Orange Turd" would poll instead of whatever horseshit the DNC has dreamed up now? Having nothing to say except "Trump Bad" didn't exactly work well last time the DNC tried that.
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Loving the dark turn this thread took in turning into a tribunal on whether John McCain should live or die. American Political discussion sure is a thing these days. Just divisive and antagonistic as a fault. Even if the U.S was still interested in setting the pace for democracy and global debates on the issues of the times I'm not sure I'd want it to anymore. Perhaps the funniest thing about modern American politics and the debates surrounding them is that people legitimately think Trump is going anywhere before his first term is up and even then figuring it's a done deal in 2020 when arguably the defining trait of American politics is antagonistic partisanship trumping any and all reason and common sense. I mean what about anything that has transpired as Trumps first year winds down leads anyone to believe that he's going to be impeached or forced to resign exactly? Not that I'm saying I'd like anything less than to see him dumped but then it still wouldn't get rid of the enormous divides with liberals and conservatives sniping at and name calling each other daily and trying to dick each other over with their time in congress. It's pure candy land wishful thinking at this point anyway though and the sudden healing of the American democratic and conciliatory spirit seems even more so. Things are more likely to continue as they are or just get worse based on all the evidence I've seen since the tea party became a thing and how there's little sign that the deep partisan divide that realistically has been there since the civil war days is suddenly going to be bridged in the next year or even decade. Kale fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Casey Finnigan posted:Poor people with a glioblastoma don't get to avoid suffering, though. A lot of suffering, that extends past them and hits their whole families in material ways. Why should McCain? Because they're a loving Aaron Sorkin screenplay come to life
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Rigel posted:I'm not counting on the house for anything. If skinny repeal passes, then maybe the HFC forces a conference? That would be a good thing, because this turns into a total mess in conference that could die, but they would know that conference is unlikely to succeed so if Paul is on board with skinny repeal, then I think the HFC is too. I don't know what to make of Rand Paul's tweets this morning. I think he still wants a full repeal and won't be satisfied with anything less. The skinny repeal (repealing the individual mandate, the employer mandate and then instituting around 33% of the tax cuts in the AHCA) is not exactly some kind of big victory for the GOP. Flip Yr Wig posted:So does repealing the individual mandate pass the Byrd rule because it can be construed as a tax, rather than a penalty for breaking a statute? Yes, since they can just set the tax penalty to $0. Nothing against the Byrd rule there.
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Harrow posted:Having nothing to say except "Trump Bad" didn't exactly work well last time the DNC tried that. "Dangerous Donald" makes you look like such a loving dork I'm hoping whoever you're trying to talk about gives you a swirlie. Part of the problem is that they have no message. An equally large part of the problem is that they have no goddamn spine or gumption or anything. They're like people who get really excited for Wheel of Fortune time.
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Sinteres posted:That's not how it works. 50-49 is a loss. I want John McCain to die. I also want you to stop pretending that respectability means anything anymore. Seriously, name me something in the last two years that respectability and good faith have done for the American working class in the last two years.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:50-49 is a loss. I want John McCain to die. I also want you to stop pretending that respectability means anything anymore. You realize McCain dying doesn't take away Arizona's Senate seat right?
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Kale posted:Loving the dark turn this thread took in turning into a tribunal on whether John McCain should live or die. American Political discussion sure is a thing these days. Just divisive and antagonistic as a fault. Even if the U.S was still interested in setting the pace for democracy and global debates on the issues of the times I'm not sure I'd want it to anymore. "Decency" in politics has been dead for years now, and Republicans killed it. Pretending to all be friends and glad-handing no longer matters when one party is essentially a cult of death. farraday posted:You realize McCain dying doesn't take away Arizona's Senate seat right? It takes away their capacity to pass this lovely legislation for as long as it takes for someone to replace him Aves Maria! fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:A woman is driving dangerously down a winding road, recklessly passing cars until she comes upon a slow moving Mack truck. As she goes to pass, her car is clipped by a truck going in the opposite direction, then slammed full-force by the Mack, killing her. Crazy as gently caress that this was seen as a totally normal and reasonable plot and the GOP wants to go back to it. Again, Breaking Bad is about a chemistry teacher who sells meth to treat his cancer and people in the US were totally understanding of why that is a thing that would happen.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Do you know how much better "Flush that Orange Turd" would poll instead of whatever horseshit the DNC has dreamed up now? I seem to recall some complaints that negative ads took too much of Hillary's focus.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:50-49 is a loss. I want John McCain to die. I also want you to stop pretending that respectability means anything anymore. It says something about how broken your moral compass is that you think someone saying hey maybe chanting for death isn't a particularly healthy thing to do is just playing respectability politics.
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Kale posted:Loving the dark turn this thread took in turning into a tribunal on whether John McCain should live or die. American Political discussion sure is a thing these days. Just divisive and antagonistic as a fault. Even if the U.S was still interested in setting the pace for democracy and global debates on the issues of the times I'm not sure I'd want it to anymore. I tribunal? I'd like to think of us more as a crucible.
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Kale posted:Loving the dark turn this thread took in turning into a tribunal on whether John McCain should live or die. American Political discussion sure is a thing these days. Just divisive and antagonistic as a fault. Even if the U.S was still interested in setting the pace for democracy and global debates on the issues of the times I'm not sure I'd want it to anymore. IMO John McCain should die eventually because if someone's going to be immortal it better not be John loving McCain In all seriousness, though, I think we're long past the point at which the GOP and many of their voters can be reasoned with. There's no "debate" to be had--an honest debate requires arguing in good faith, and the GOP has no intention of doing so. There are no "moderates" on their side to win over. The best we can do is try to muster up more people who already agree with us to just outvote the poo poo out of them and clean up their mess.
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Kale posted:Loving the dark turn this thread took in turning into a tribunal on whether John McCain should live or die. American Political discussion sure is a thing these days. Just divisive and antagonistic as a fault. Even if the U.S was still interested in setting the pace for democracy and global debates on the issues of the times I'm not sure I'd want it to anymore. Well I mean, Obama tried to reach across the aisle and was poo poo on relentlessly for eight years. Then the Republicans fielded an idiot who proceeded to collude with a foreign power, and he got elected. And now the GOP's only agenda is dismantling the government from cabinet posts and, I mean, literally ruining peoples' lives by stripping their healthcare in a heinous move decried by everyone. And the reason they're doing this is tax cuts for the rich. What do you want from us?
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It was more controversial on this forum to celebrate bin Laden's death than it is to celebrate McCain's.
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OddObserver posted:Which one? 1905, February, October --- or, arguably, 1991? February, I'd say, as it started with mostly disorganized protests with a variety of goals.
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Sinteres posted:It says something about how broken your moral compass is that you think someone saying hey maybe chanting for death isn't a particularly healthy thing to do is just playing respectability politics. No one cares how amazing and righteous of a person you are for not being angry about the actions of rich people who live off the suffering and death of others. There's no award coming for you in the mail.
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This thread is going to be absolute poo poo until we get any further news
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Sinteres posted:It was more controversial on this forum to celebrate bin Laden's death than it is to celebrate McCain's. Well, if we're going to compare raw numbers...
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An important distinction, also, between wishing death upon McCain and other Republican officials and the death penalty is this: in the death penalty, the criminal is executed after the crime. It is a purely retributive action that in no way protects or saves the innocent. If McCain dies before he can vote to strip many people of their healthcare, then the death has prevented the crime from happening and the act was not purely retributive. It is the difference between killing in self defense and killing after the fact in vengeance. EDIT: For clarity, I'm not taking a side in this discussion because I think it's pointless. But I do think that saying it's hypocritical to wish death upon McCain while simultaneously condemning the death penalty is not hypocrisy.
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Sinteres posted:It was more controversial on this forum to celebrate bin Laden's death than it is to celebrate McCain's. If we'd killed thousands in our crusade across AZ to kill McCain celebration would probably be dampened.
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Sinteres posted:It was more controversial on this forum to celebrate bin Laden's death than it is to celebrate McCain's. John McCain has arguably done more to cause people across the world to suffer than bin Laden.
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The Phlegmatist posted:The skinny repeal (repealing the individual mandate, the employer mandate and then instituting around 33% of the tax cuts in the AHCA) is not exactly some kind of big victory for the GOP. It's huge. The mandates going will cause a crisis in the health market and give Republicans an excuse to pass wider reforms. They might even get some Dems on board, depending what they propose, because anything will be better than the unstable hellscape the ACA will become without it.
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Aves Maria! posted:"Decency" in politics has been dead for years now, and Republicans killed it. Pretending to all be friends and glad-handing no longer matters when one party is essentially a cult of death. 10 minutes? They could literally pick a sitting Rep from Az and have them walk across the dome to be sworn in.
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Sinteres posted:It was more controversial on this forum to celebrate bin Laden's death than it is to celebrate McCain's. no it wasn't
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farraday posted:10 minutes? They could literally pick a sitting Rep from Az and have them walk across the dome to be sworn in. That's not how it works, or how it would work.
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Sinteres posted:It was more controversial on this forum to celebrate bin Laden's death than it is to celebrate McCain's. Who is responsible for the deaths of more Americans do you figure?
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Besides a big arguement against the death penalty is how expensive it is. For McCain we just have to wait.
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If "we will kill McCain" becomes the justification for America's longest war, my bad. *hint: The only thing threatening a senator starts with "c" and rhymes with dancer.
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Aves Maria! posted:No one cares how amazing and righteous of a person you are for not being angry about the actions of rich people who live off the suffering and death of others. There's no award coming for you in the mail. As a millennial, I think you'll find that I'm entitled to a trophy. botany posted:no it wasn't Funny how a bunch of people felt like defending the proposition that it should be though. Al Borland Corp. posted:With the new healthcare law you're entitled to atrophy.
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Sinteres posted:As a millennial, I think you'll find that I'm entitled to a trophy. With the new healthcare law you're entitled to atrophy.
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Sinteres posted:It says something about how broken your moral compass is that you think someone saying hey maybe chanting for death isn't a particularly healthy thing to do is just playing respectability politics. You can't name one, can you? On the other side, Republicans have been winking at death. Second amendment solutions. Crosshairs on abortion clinics. People who do good in the world are being harmed or killed because of the choices and ideals being espoused. "I wish he would die so my friends would not" is not only a perfectly understandable reaction to events, but it's also as old as time. Stop pretending dignity matters when life and death are in play. They already have.
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nerdz posted:This thread is going to be absolute poo poo until we get any further news of McCain's death.
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/889957220535947265 here's a good thing that isn't about how glad I am that McCain has terminal brain cancer
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Flip Yr Wig posted:So does repealing the individual mandate pass the Byrd rule because it can be construed as a tax, rather than a penalty for breaking a statute? it passes the byrd rule because it doesn't actually "repeal" it, it just sets the penalty for breaking it to $0 so theoretically you're required to have health insurance or face a tax penalty of zero dollars, which is meaningless trivia compared to repealing it outright except that it would let democrats put it back in via reconciliation
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