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Flip Yr Wig posted:So does repealing the individual mandate pass the Byrd rule because it can be construed as a tax, rather than a penalty for breaking a statute? They will propose to reduce the penalty to $0. The penalty still exists, its just that you owe nothing from the penalty. As long as the entire bill cuts $119 billion (which it does, somehow), then thats fine.
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Aves Maria! posted:That's not how it works, or how it would work. It is in fact exactly how it works if there was a situation where congressional inability to enact a critical piece of legislation could be prevented. Stop pretending McCain dying does anything.
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Aves Maria! posted:"Decency" in politics has been dead for years now, and Republicans killed it. Pretending to all be friends and glad-handing no longer matters when one party is essentially a cult of death. I haven't felt the Republican Party has given a poo poo about anything other than Rich White People since I graduated high school back in 2002 and started to become more aware of the politics of the U.S (I'm Canadian so our systems work a bit differently and it's not exactly a two party system even though there's a designation called "official opposition") and they've certainly become more and more transparent about it over time. I don't know if it's just the electoral college, but it feels like the U.S kind of loves them some Republicans as it's consistently been the default party for the 21st century to date. I believe I remember Democrats having control of the house for a very brief period at the start of Obama's presidency but then they made a couple of mistakes under Pelosi and it's like gently caress you house swings back to Republicans. It seems like the Republicans can gently caress up constantly and have scandal after scandal that would annihilate a sitting democratic rep or senator and have minimal consequences at best though. Body Slam a reporter for asking a question, get back into office. Have a runoff vote in 5 states with a deeply unpopular president, win every single one of them. Be a complete poo poo of a human being that goes against everything a leader is supposed to stand for, become president with yet another Republican and House majority etc. One party definitely seems to have it a lot easier than the other in getting elected to office for sure while the other feels like a permanent opposition party that occasionally is allowed to govern a branch of congress for a year or two. It's why I don't think that anything is changing in the house or senate in 2018. The Republican party just seems to have a massive advantage in getting it's people elected and re-elected in red states versus Democratic ones who are more likely to be defending seats in states that aren't New England or California somehow than looking to gain them. Kale fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Sinteres posted:It was more controversial on this forum to celebrate bin Laden's death than it is to celebrate McCain's. If John McCain turns out to be the deciding factor in the repeal of Obamacare, he might be responsible for more deaths than bin Laden. Even so, it is still wrong to wish for his needless suffering. He is still a person like you or me and I believe that it's wrong to be happy when when people get hurt.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:An important distinction, also, between wishing death upon McCain and other Republican officials and the death penalty is this: in the death penalty, the criminal is executed after the crime. It is a purely retributive action that in no way protects or saves the innocent. If McCain dies before he can vote to strip many people of their healthcare, then the death has prevented the crime from happening and the act was not purely retributive. John Anderton is that you? Danny Woodward from Justice is calling you. Lamarr said he may have found an issue with the pre-cogs.
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farraday posted:It is in fact exactly how it works if there was a situation where congressional inability to enact a critical piece of legislation could be prevented. When is the last time you heard of anyone being appointed within minutes of a death or removal from office? Even delaying a vote for a few days does something.
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^ there's a difference between "last time you've heard of" and "it doesn't work that way". There's no reason the governor couldn't do it the instant time of death was called if there was pressure to do so.Aves Maria! posted:That's not how it works, or how it would work. The Governor of Arizona can just appoint a replacement that serves until the next general election. As near as I can tell, that's exactly how it does work, there's no voting, no state senate confirmation, no nothing. In Arizona the Governor can appoint anyone he wants as long as it's the same party as the replaced senator.
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Kale posted:I haven't felt the Republican Party has given a poo poo about anything other than Rich White People since I graduated high school back in 2002 and started to become more aware of the politics of the U.S (I'm Canadian so our systems work a bit differently and it's not exactly a two party system even though there's a designation called "official opposition") and they've certainly become more and more transparent about it over time. I don't know if it's just the electoral college, but it feels like the U.S kind of loves them some Republicans as it's consistently been the default party for the 21st century to date. I believe I remember Democrats having control of the house for a very brief period at the start of Obama's presidency but then they made a couple of mistakes under Pelosi and it's like gently caress you house swings back to Republicans. It seems like the Republicans can gently caress up constantly though and have minimal consequences at best though. Body Slam a reporter for asking a question, get into office. Have a runoff vote in 5 states, win every single one of them. Be a complete poo poo of a human being that goes against everything a leader is supposed to stand for, become president with yet another Republican and House majority etc. One party definitely seems to have it a lot easier than the other in getting elected to office for sure. it's because of old people who are afraid of change the the core base which literally just votes to get one over on "liberals" there's no saving republican voters--the GOP doesn't govern, it just exists to spite
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Aves Maria! posted:John McCain has arguably done more to cause people across the world to suffer than bin Laden. Point of order, 9-11 killed more than just the people who died in the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.
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pacmania90 posted:If John McCain turns out to be the deciding factor in the repeal of Obamacare, he might be responsible for more deaths than bin Laden. Even so, it is still wrong to wish for his needless suffering. He is still a person like you or me and I believe that it's wrong to be happy when when people get hurt. So was the inventor of the car. I think a 100% consequentialist ethics that decides anyone who does anything that leads to deaths, regardless of the reason or means, is an equivalent monster is absurd. Yes, the Republican healthcare bill is lovely, but removing a healthcare subsidy and mandate that didn't exist 8 years ago isn't murder or terrorism, it's politics. Obviously that does have consequences, and it should be fought vigorously, but equating politics to war is ridiculous. Quorum posted:Point of order, 9-11 killed more than just the people who died in the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. This too.
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Kale posted:Loving the dark turn this thread took in turning into a tribunal on whether John McCain should live or die. American Political discussion sure is a thing these days. Just divisive and antagonistic as a fault. Even if the U.S was still interested in setting the pace for democracy and global debates on the issues of the times I'm not sure I'd want it to anymore. Who let you out of the locker, nerd
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bird cooch posted:The DCCC mines this thread for fundraising email headers. I'll let you know when I get an email with the subject line "Beat cancer to the punch!"
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Aves Maria! posted:John McCain has arguably done more to cause people across the world to suffer than bin Laden. At least McCain had the courage to crash the planes himself.
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Kale posted:I haven't felt the Republican Party has given a poo poo about anything other than Rich White People since I graduated high school back in 2002 and started to become more aware of the politics of the U.S (I'm Canadian so our systems work a bit differently and it's not exactly a two party system even though there's a designation called "official opposition") and they've certainly become more and more transparent about it over time. I don't know if it's just the electoral college, but it feels like the U.S kind of loves them some Republicans as it's consistently been the default party for the 21st century to date. I believe I remember Democrats having control of the house for a very brief period at the start of Obama's presidency but then they made a couple of mistakes under Pelosi and it's like gently caress you house swings back to Republicans. It seems like the Republicans can gently caress up constantly though and have minimal consequences at best though. Body Slam a reporter for asking a question, get into office. Have a runoff vote in 5 states, win every single one of them. Be a complete poo poo of a human being that goes against everything a leader is supposed to stand for, become president with yet another Republican and House majority etc. One party definitely seems to have it a lot easier than the other in getting elected to office for sure. Yeah it's cause they draw the districts so that Republicans are heavily favored and then pass state laws to prevent people (the WRONG people of course) from voting. And in any case, if you're a poor person with a lot of work like very very many Americans are, it's not so easy to be able to vote even if you aren't going to be hosed over because of your last name or the color of your skin. As for the Republican wins that can't be explained by gerrymandering and voter suppression, well, I mean, we're real stupid down here.
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Petr posted:I'll let you know when I get an email with the subject line "Beat cancer to the punch!" That would get a 20$ out of me.
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I don't care how he's treated, I just think the increasingly toxic death cult in this thread is bad on its own merits.
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The US should just split into two. I say that in all seriousness: I don't see how depolarization is going to occur. Currently we are headed for Civil War 2.
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Azhais posted:^ there's a difference between "last time you've heard of" and "it doesn't work that way". There's no reason the governor couldn't do it the instant time of death was called if there was pressure to do so. So you're saying that the thing that literally never happens will happen because it is theoretically possible. Quorum posted:Point of order, 9-11 killed more than just the people who died in the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. McCain voted for the Iraq War.
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In actual news, Russian sanctions pass house with slightly above veto proof majority. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/889958641452843011
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Casey Finnigan posted:Yeah it's cause they draw the districts so that Republicans are heavily favored and then pass state laws to prevent people (the WRONG people of course) from voting. And in any case, if you're a poor person with a lot of work like very very many Americans are, it's not so easy to be able to vote even if you aren't going to be hosed over because of your last name or the color of your skin. What gets me is they vote to advance debate on something that to date has been wildly unpopular according to polls but they'll all probably still have no problem getting back in. It's literally like nothing matters in that country and there's only consequences for one party and the meek. I really don't know what the people that are saying poo poo like x senator that switched their vote to yes will be gone in 2018 are getting at but they're in for a really rude awakening come mid-terms if they truly think that.
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enraged_camel posted:The US should just split into two. The red parts being in the middle of the blue parts presents an issue. Plus rural parts of the blue parts are conservative, and urban parts of the red parts are liberal. It would be a mess.
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Sinteres posted:I don't care how he's treated, I just think the increasingly toxic death cult in this thread is bad on its own merits. Right, you care less about the horrible people ruining the world than you do about critiquing the morality of posters on an Internet forum.
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farraday posted:In actual news, Russian sanctions pass house with slightly above veto proof majority. I'm gonna guess Dana Rorbacher was one of the 3 against it
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farraday posted:In actual news, Russian sanctions pass house with slightly above veto proof majority. Who would vote against this and why? i mean i know the reason but what's the stated reason?
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I do not sloganeer pain. I do not traffic in suffering. I got no covenant with hell, and I do not preach to the abyss. I do not chant death, nor for it. I sing death, though. Death is the air I breathe, it's what McCain and his confederates bogart on down the streets I walk on past into and on through the homes of my fellows, people I love. They have filled the air with death. I sing death. Every exhalation is the stale, tobacco taste of old, recycled death. I warm it over with some tonality, and I sing my death on back the road, point for counterpoint. I will stand over the graves of these withered, amoral people, and I will sing. Randbrick fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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farraday posted:In actual news, Russian sanctions pass house with slightly above veto proof majority. who were the three besides rohrbacher? massie and amash?
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Sinteres posted:I don't care how he's treated, I just think the increasingly toxic death cult in this thread is bad on its own merits.
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Sinteres posted:So was the inventor of the car. I think a 100% consequentialist ethics that decides anyone who does anything that leads to deaths, regardless of the reason or means, is an equivalent monster is absurd. Yes, the Republican healthcare bill is lovely, but removing a healthcare subsidy and mandate that didn't exist 8 years ago isn't murder or terrorism, it's politics. Obviously that does have consequences, and it should be fought vigorously, but equating politics to war is ridiculous. lol, you really are the platonic ideal of an insufferable "politics as a game" jerk-off.
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Trabisnikof posted:Right, you care less about the horrible people ruining the world than you do about critiquing the morality of posters on an Internet forum. I don't, but I'm not in the Senate so I don't get to tell them how I feel.
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FizFashizzle posted:Who would vote against this and why? one is probably the guy who mccarthy said, with trump, was on putin's payroll
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O, Death O, Death O, Death Won't you spare me over 'til another year Well what is this that I can't see With ice cold hands takin' hold of me Well I am Death, none can excel I'll open the door to Heaven or Hell Whoa, Death someone would pray Could you wait to call me another day The children prayed, the preacher preached Time and mercy is out of your reach I'll fix your feet til you can't walk I'll lock your jaw til you can't talk I'll close your eyes so you can't see This very hour, come and go with me I'm Death I come to take the soul Leave the body and leave it cold To draw up the flesh off of the frame Dirt and worm both have a claim O, Death O, Death Won't you spare me over 'til another year My mother came to my bed Placed a cold towel upon my head My head is warm my feet are cold Death is a-movin' upon my soul Oh, Death how you're treatin' me You've close my eyes so I can't see Well you're hurtin' my body You make me cold You run my life right outta my soul Oh Death please consider my age Please don't take me at this stage My wealth is all at your command If you will move your icy hand The old, the young, the rich or poor All alike to me you know No wealth, no land, no silver no gold Nothing satisfies me but your soul O, Death O, Death Won't you spare me over til another year Won't you spare me over til another year Won't you spare me over til another year
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farraday posted:In actual news, Russian sanctions pass house with slightly above veto proof majority. Does anyone have a summary of what these sanctions actually are? I'm happy to seize the US based assets of corrupt oligarchs but depriving starving people of food is a little hosed.
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evilweasel posted:who were the three besides rohrbacher? massie and amash? https://twitter.com/greggiroux/status/889958993371828229 Surprisingly enough the most obvious culprit is innocent.
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Sinteres posted:The red parts being in the middle of the blue parts presents an issue. Plus rural parts of the blue parts are conservative, and urban parts of the red parts are liberal. It would be a mess. This is a dumb conversation to have, but if this split were to actually happen, you'd have ostensibly red states BEGGING to be in the blue section. Like Georgia doesn't want to be cut off, and them staying means NC tries like hell to stay in, etc
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evilweasel posted:who were the three besides rohrbacher? massie and amash? http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll413.xml Amash Duncan (TN) Massie Rohrbacher actually voted yes
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enraged_camel posted:The US should just split into two. Along what geographical boundaries? The real division right now is urban vs rural, and every state has blue cities, no matter how red.
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