Pierson posted:

Wait when people say "one jump potion per account" do they mean the storyline potion or did Square really say "only one instant 60 job per account"? Thus inconveniencing/annoying people who end up boosting a job they dislike and also closing off a stream of possible revenue?

Minrad posted:

I can assure you it gets a lot better at 50+, but it's a long, boring slog to get there, and either you're enchanted enough by the world and the concept of a Final Fantasy MMO to stick it out, or you're not. It sounds like you aren't.

The upside is that, if you're willing to spend money, you can pay to skip ARR and/or get a level boost now.

Zandar posted:

A few points:

• Rogue is pretty boring at low levels, but it's worse because of the recent ability culling in Stormblood. Normally you'd at least have a DoT to throw in by now. The mudras you get from Ninja make it much more interesting.
  
• The "click quest text" almost always works, but if you're not in the zone it's pointing to, it'll just show you a zoomed-out version of the map with the quest marker next to one of the zone names. It's stupid, but you can click on the zone name to switch to that map and see the actual location. Not sure why you say the map sucks in general, are you looking at the multi-zone level? I haven't really had a problem with the single-zone map, it's basically just "you can walk in the lit-up area".
  
• You can get a mount once you reach level 20 in the MSQ and join a Grand Company, so you're not too far off. That said, it sounds like you have a few dungeons to get through first.
  

Harrow posted:

Rogue is terrible at low levels, unfortunately. A friend of mine recently finished ARR for the first time and she played as Rogue--I don't think she enjoyed the gameplay at all until she was past level 40. I don't really understand how Rogue is designed at all, but it's basically half a class until you're like level 45, and then all of a sudden it completes and is amazing.

That said, the game is significantly dumbed down at low levels for reasons other people have described, and that's true for basically every class, unfortunately. I really hope they revisit those levels in the next expansion's inevitable "let's revise all the jobs again" pass.

Harrow posted:

I think they did say they're going to lift that restriction at some point, though honestly I can't understand why it's there in the first place. It's not like they'll let you jump to 70, nor will they let you jump one of the new jobs. I don't see what the harm is, personally.

Also I jump potioned Bard and ended up not really loving it as much as I hoped and I'd love a do-over so I could jump potion White Mage instead

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tyblazitar posted:

Yeah, I couldn't care less about the plot or setting, and just tried this because it's one of the most popular MMOs currently and a friend recommended it. I'm no stranger to spending obscene amounts in MMO cash shops, but I don't want to do that if I'm not already pretty sure I like the game.

tyblazitar posted:

At levels 3-25, at least, you have two skills that you use 95% of the time, and the second one just combos off the first to become the same attack, but slightly more powerful. You get a sneak attack you can use once per encounter, but it seems like you can't use it for most dungeon bosses which is where it'd actually be good. You also get an execute skill that's useless against most mobs since once it's active you kill them with your next attack regardless. Finally, you have a 3s stun which I mainly use to give my fingers something to do while waiting for the GCD. I was hoping it'd explosively open up once I get ninja, if it takes until 40+ I'm not sure I can be bothered.

tyblazitar posted:

At levels 3-25, at least, you have two skills that you use 95% of the time, and the second one just combos off the first to become the same attack, but slightly more powerful. You get a sneak attack you can use once per encounter, but it seems like you can't use it for most dungeon bosses which is where it'd actually be good. You also get an execute skill that's useless against most mobs since once it's active you kill them with your next attack regardless. Finally, you have a 3s stun which I mainly use to give my fingers something to do while waiting for the GCD. I was hoping it'd explosively open up once I get ninja, if it takes until 40+ I'm not sure I can be bothered.

orcane posted:

I assume it's either about gil sellers or the fear of newbies buying level 60 jobs without having gone through the proper steps of hundreds of solo quests or dozens of hours in PotD to ~learn2play~.

Fortuitous Bumble posted:

There were a lot of players who were against the idea of jump potions to begin with so they probably wanted to avoid upsetting those players too much. The idea that players would learn the game by 50/60 through quests and instances is nice but they already added PotD

tyblazitar posted:

You're right that if I'm not in the zone it shows me the useless zoomed-out map, but when I am in the right zone it shows me an even more useless zoomed-out map without any marker at all. This wasn't always the case, but it's been that way for the last couple of main quests at least.

Also my main problem with the map (particularly in cities) is how cluttered it is with a million quest markers for quests I'll never do of all levels, and no way to actually customize what markers it shows. As someone with zero sense of direction it's also incredibly annoying how every city seems to consist of several fragments instead of just one level, they all remind me of The Grove in GW2 and how much I hate navigating it.

Oxygen Deficiency posted:

You get Mudras at 30+ which definitely make it more interesting and will give you something to do during gcd.

Have you looked into Palace of the Dead yet? You can unlock it at around level 15 iirc in Quarrymill. It will let you try any clas you've unlocked starting at level one and quickly gaining levels (which fyi don't translate to your actual level outside the palace). It's fairly fast to get to level 60 in PotD and get a much better feel for how the class will play at higher levels. As a bonus, once you unlock floors 50+ once, you can start at floor 51 with any other class/job and it will automatically start you at level 60 with all the class skills available (not sure if it also gives you job skills if you haven't got the crystal).

Cheap Trick posted:

Yeah but... but... I wanted to see another villain get their deserved comeuppance! Along with Ilbert and his two traitor bros!

Although keeping your last point in mind, I can accept how the story's progressed the way it has. And if the Heavensward conclusion is even better than the AAR conclusion, whew.

Harrow posted:

And really, most jobs change so much from 50 onward that anything you "learn" before then isn't particularly valuable except, I guess, what a "tank" is.

tyblazitar posted:

I decided to try out this game to scratch that MMO itch, and holy poo poo it's so bad. I've heard it gets better post-50 but I'm not sure I'll even make it that far. At level 25 (rogue) my DPS rotation is still essentially two buttons, all other skills are either extremely situational, completely useless, or have so long CD as not to be worth thinking about (frequently all three). The XP bonus means I'm still on the level 16 part of the main quest despite doing nothing but main and job quests, and all my gear is severely underleveled. Apparently the concept of AOE is treated like some sealed black magic that most people should have very sparing or no access to? The map is the worst map I've seen in any game period, and since the "click quest text to see where to go" function straight up doesn't work most of the time, just finding quest NPCs have turned into a real slog. The vast majority of my time is spent running from A to B to C to D and back to B again, with no mount in sight for a long time and only the lovely sprint skill to help me.

I guess I'll have to get to 30 and see if it's more fun as a ninja, but thus far this game has been nothing but frustrating and tedious.

Fortuitous Bumble posted:

There are a lot of recurring dungeon mechanics that they ease you into during the leveling process, but I think you're forced into most of those during the MSQ anyway. The only one that I've noticed players missing all the time in DF is the stack marker (yellow arrows), for some reason.

Harrow posted:

Yeah, people are terrible at stack markers for some reason. Even in a late Stormblood dungeon I ran into a Samurai who ran away when he had a stack marker on him, and when we all asked why, he claimed he'd never seen one before, but I'm pretty sure there are other Stormblood bosses that use them so even if he jump potioned he had to have seen it before

Harrow posted:

Yeah, people are terrible at stack markers for some reason. Even in a late Stormblood dungeon I ran into a Samurai who ran away when he had a stack marker on him, and when we all asked why, he claimed he'd never seen one before, but I'm pretty sure there are other Stormblood bosses that use them so even if he jump potioned he had to have seen it before

meiram posted:

Are those ever explained in game though? If you're just going through everything with pugs and nobody mentions "if you get this, run in" then they may never learn. If he still did it after an explanation though, and kept doing it, then I guess there's just no helping some people.

Jinh posted:

I've had that problem too with an fc mate who ran away with it. Hell, not only is it everywhere in SB but it was used in a few 24 man fights as well as a bunch of casual raids in heavensward. Wasn't it also in a couple HW dungeons? I think the one with the final boss who summons Garuda used it.

Minrad posted:

I think the first stack marker is used on either Sephirot or Nidhogg

Minrad posted:

bard's snapshot each time you iron jaws, right

WrightOfWay posted:

They snapshot. The only exception is ground based AOEs like Shadowflare or Doton. They snapshot player buffs but dynamically update on enemy debuffs.

Cheap Trick posted:

mike12345 posted:

I also checked this out recently, and noticed there are two jump potions. One does the instant 60 thing, the other unlocks all MSQs. I don't mind levelling, but gating is not my thing. So if I just want a chill leveling experience, that MSQ unlock potion would do?

KoB posted:

MSQ is definitely the best source of XP. What are you worried about being gated?

But yes, the MSQ gates almost everything I suppose.

mike12345 posted:

I also checked this out recently, and noticed there are two jump potions. One does the instant 60 thing, the other unlocks all MSQs. I don't mind levelling, but gating is not my thing. So if I just want a chill leveling experience, that MSQ unlock potion would do?

Gearhead posted:

We've all been there.

There's a reason spontaneous memorial shrines to the Broest of Bros develop at Fanfests.

Gearhead posted:

We've all been there.

There's a reason spontaneous memorial shrines to the Broest of Bros develop at Fanfests.

Fister Roboto posted:

When are people going to stop calling the things that are explicitly not potions jump potions?

Meiteron posted:

I mean, well and good for when XIV launched but that was two years ago

Wacky Delly posted:

Have they smoothed out the leveling so just doing the MSQ keeps you relevant? I had the problem in both ARR & HW of running out of MSQs with part of a level remaining before I could move on.

Fister Roboto posted:

When are people going to stop calling the things that are explicitly not potions jump potions?

Cheap Trick posted:

Unrelated, it sucks that I'm locked out of being a cool Ninja because of my latency (170ms on a good day). I'll just have to go Dragoon instead and be edgy like Estinien.