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Agnosticnixie posted:If I wanted to be fair I'd say she was being very deferential in a very public position to a visiting head of government and that it was just politicians' politeness even if the other guy is a fascist. Something tells me the "B-b-but Gabbard supports BROWN GENOCIDE" crew isn't going to care about this one. Wonder why.
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My introduction to Kamala Harris was, "if you criticize her, you're racist/sexist," poo poo on Twitter. Racism and sexism should be taken more seriously than to cynically be used as a combination shield-cudgel by people who are working night and day to gently caress over minorities and women. If this is what the Democrats want to go with in '20, I won't be voting in the presidential.
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It's pretty funny to see the blatant double standards that the usual suspects deploy when it turns out that the next Great Centrist Hope is actually pretty bad on minority issues.
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Call Me Charlie posted:Kamala Harris wrote a book called Smart On Crime. Sure she's written op-eds and a book where she brags about doing this, but how do I know any of it is real? We could all be programs in an elaborate simulation. Obviously until this can be dis-proven I will assume all criticism of Kamala Harris is rooted in deep-seated virulent racism. 
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So are there any legitimate criticisms against Gabbard now that the Great Centrist Hope is pro genocide herself?
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call to action posted:So are there any legitimate criticisms against Gabbard now that the Great Centrist Hope is pro genocide herself? eh, that's still a legit criticism. there's also the "gabbard meets with trump" stuff that gives me pause. but if we're comparing gabbard vs harris, i dunno how you would ever pick harris?
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Goddamn this is not a good look. You're basically acting like the Bernie version of Hillary supporters who feel compelled to defend to the death any tiny criticism of her. People arent holding Hillary responsible for her staffers, they are holding her responsible for her personal collusion with DWS and other officials.
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call to action posted:Hillarymen just love telling people to "get over" things, don't they? If they'd won, they'd be telling us to get over Bernie. They lost, they're telling us to get over Bernie. They deliver pizza slogans, Jon Ossoff, and utter failure to communicate a single positive reason to vote for them... and they're telling us to get over the most popular politician in the US. That's the thing. I'm not a Hillary man. I voted for her in the general only but Bernie in the primary got my support, volunteer hours, and money. Hillary was a terrible candidate. I think anyone would be insane not to think that. But I also think you'd have to be equally as insane to still be focused on DWS thumb on the scale and DNC unfairness. Far more egregious a cuplrit than them in favoring Hillary was media coverage and simple name recognition, and Jeff Weaver repeatedly making Bernie look bad. The DNC was frankly far too incompetent to have a large effect on the primary. John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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Condiv posted:eh, that's still a legit criticism. there's also the "gabbard meets with trump" stuff that gives me pause. but if we're comparing gabbard vs harris, i dunno how you would ever pick harris? Meeting with Trump to try to be the voice of reason on Syria and our failed CIA program where we try to arm 'moderate'
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And another good dem throws her hat into the ringquote:I refuse to believe that most Americans (or even most Republicans) can look at today’s GOP and see their own values reflected in its erratic leader. But even though, as we Democrats are fond of repeating, our values are the values of the majority of Americans, Trump won because so many people stayed home. And why did they stay home? Because they didn’t really believe that we believed what we said we believed. And why should they, when we keep compromising and hedging?
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Lujan made the right choice, probably influenced by the positions on the issue of his community.
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I don't think Hillary would ever accuse anyone in the DCCC of abandoning basic human rights. Seriously, it's an entire piece about how the Democratic party abandoned its base - only paying lipservice to their causes while either hindering or actively harming them - and that this disconnect is why people don't vote for them. She isn't claiming the Democrats have a messaging problem, they have a policy problem.
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JailTrump posted:Lujan made the right choice, probably influenced by the positions on the issue of his community. I'm conflicted. I agree with JailTrump...but JailTrump is literally wrong about everything...so am I wrong on this???  quote:After all, Luján’s assertion that there will be no “litmus test” for Democratic candidates who oppose abortion seems like the kind of big-tent cliché with which it is hard to disagree. “As we look at candidates across the country,” Luján said yesterday, “you need to make sure you have candidates that fit the district, that can win in these districts across America.” nope. 'a broken clock is right twice a day' You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth with, yes the party is huge and diverse and there are anti-abortion Democrats and pro-abortion Republicans...but we need a hardline litmus test on abortion regardless of area or situation. Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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JailTrump posted:Lujan made the right choice, probably influenced by the positions on the issue of his community. disagreed. again, you centrists have a great time chasing the regressive right rightwards. we're gonna help people instead
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C. Everett Koop posted:All the people bitching about how we're in the worst timeline are loving stupid. Considering the circumstances of 2016 we're actually in the best case scenario: The people unironically agreeing with this, while simultaneously calling Kamala Harris a racist transphobe, while Trump dismantles affirmative action and bans trans people from the military. 
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:we say, as we buy our 9th iphone while eating mcdonalds and being the biggest consumers of any generation Can't raise taxes, women in the bag, and want them Trumpets. We need to be rational adults: we can't be having these purity tests over MUH ABORTION, cis women  Cerebral Bore posted:It's pretty funny to see the blatant double standards that the usual suspects deploy when it turns out that the next Great Centrist Hope is actually pretty bad on minority issues.
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Condiv posted:And another good dem throws her hat into the ring 
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JeffersonClay posted:while Trump dismantles affirmative action and bans trans people from the military.
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JeffersonClay posted:bans trans people from the military. Yea, this didn't actually happen, because the military is smart enough to realize Tweets aren't orders, so kindly gently caress off again.
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I bet Kamala Harris threatened to put parents guilty of child neglect in prison too, that racist!
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JeffersonClay posted:The people unironically agreeing with this, while simultaneously calling Kamala Harris a racist transphobe, while Trump dismantles affirmative action and bans trans people from the military. which people are these? you're one of the only two people to have even acknowledged that post as far as i can see, so i guess you agree with it too?
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JeffersonClay posted:I bet Kamala Harris threatened to put parents guilty of child neglect in prison too, that racist! That's one spicy take!
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JeffersonClay posted:I bet Kamala Harris threatened to put parents guilty of child neglect in prison too, that racist!
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JeffersonClay posted:The people unironically agreeing with this, while simultaneously calling Kamala Harris a racist transphobe, while Trump dismantles affirmative action and bans trans people from the military. It's possible to hate both you disingenuous bourgie gently caress
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WampaLord posted:Yea, this didn't actually happen, because the military is smart enough to realize Tweets aren't orders, so kindly gently caress off again. Oh right, he only tried to ban trans people from the military therefore it's totally irrelevant. Clearly you've got the interests of the trans community in the forefront of your mind.
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JeffersonClay posted:Oh right, he only tried to ban trans people from the military therefore it's totally irrelevant. Clearly you've got the interests of the trans community in the forefront of your mind. Everyone sees through this tactic, JC. Obviously it's bad that he even tried to do it, but you can't claim he actually did a thing when that thing didn't happen. Words mean things.
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Trabisnikof posted:Even though I'm sure Moser will be wrong on some issues I'm glad she's running. I bet talking smack about the DCCC will help in the general in that district to be honest, so I can't fault her for doing it. the dccc deserves every bit of smack talking. we're talking about an org that threw millions at a candidate that couldn't outperform a name on a piece of paper and left every other dem out in the cold
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JeffersonClay posted:I bet Kamala Harris threatened to put parents guilty of child neglect in prison too, that racist! Why do centrists love the police state so much?
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Democrazy posted:People literally said that there was no reason to consider people's genders in politics, that sexism should not be a concern for women in politics, and that someone arguing for women in politics must automatically be backing people they don't like, all of which is super bad and hostile to women in politics. I think it makes more sense to care about gender in a broad sense (i.e. it's bad if women aren't proportionately represented among politicians), but when looking at a specific candidate it's secondary to their actual actions/policy (though being a member of a minority group might lend credibility to their support for policy that would benefit that minority group, assuming two candidates were the same otherwise). The problem, at least among Democrats, stems more from women/minorities not becoming involved in the early steps towards becoming a politician than it does from voters saying "I like this candidate less because they're a woman/minority." So the issue is more that fewer women/minorities are given access to the career pipeline that leads to becoming a prominent politician (attending an elite school, getting elite jobs, making the necessary connections, etc) than it is that voters are saying "we want white men." As a side note, this absolutely doesn't mean that Democratic voters aren't bigots. It's just that a bunch of Democrats are the sort of bigoted where they really like minority groups as long as they act in a way they approve of. Since politicians are generally educated, somewhat charismatic, talk in a "neutral" accent, etc, they're unlikely to face much push-back from your average Democratic voter (and if anything they might benefit from a white person's desire to express their "lack of racism/misogyny").
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Matt Zerella posted:That's one spicy take! What's the difference between willful neglect of your child's physical and emotional needs and willful neglect of your child's attendance at school? Condiv posted:which people are these? you're one of the only two people to have even acknowledged that post as far as i can see, so i guess you agree with it too? It seems like there should be people calling it out if you think "Trump is better than a democrat" is so obviously wrong, and yet, as you say, only a couple of people talked about it, and they agreed.
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JeffersonClay posted:I bet Kamala Harris threatened to put parents guilty of child neglect in prison too, that racist! Have you considered that there may be reasons kids aren't able to make class other than bad parenting?
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Scent of Worf posted:Why do centrists love the police state so much? just world theory everyone who's in jail deserves it to them everyone who gets killed by rabid cops deserved it that's why hillary embraced all lives matter at first until she got backlash
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Scent of Worf posted:Why do centrists love the police state so much?
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JeffersonClay posted:What's the difference between willful neglect of your child's physical and emotional needs and willful neglect of your child's attendance at school? Even spicier!
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Scent of Worf posted:Why do centrists love the police state so much? Because centrist God King Bill Clinton won a second term by outdoing even Reagan on the issue in his callousness and melevolence.
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