JeffersonClay posted:

I bet Kamala Harris threatened to put parents guilty of child neglect in prison too, that racist!

JeffersonClay posted:

If they're a chronically truant student? Sure.

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Again, I'm pretty sure I have a better understanding of these systems in California than you do.

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Democrats, outflanked by Mr. Trump in the 2016 presidential campaign, are seeking to recapture the loyalty of voters convinced that globalization is eroding their fortunes and prospects.

The highlights include a new agency to prevent foreign investments that would harm the domestic economy, and tax incentives for "reshoring" jobs, or bringing jobs back to the United States from overseas.

The political challenge for the Democrats is that the proposals echo Mr. Trump's ideas on trade. Even the rhetoric Wednesday had a distinctly Trumpian flavor.

"They're rapacious, the Chinese," declared Senator Chuck Schumer, the minority leader and moving spirit behind the proposals. "They do not play by the rules. And we sit there."

But Mr. Schumer sought to draw a distinction between Dems and Mr. Trump. "The problem is President Trump has talked a good game and done virtually nothing on trade but study it," he said. "We need action. If President Trump wants to work with us to get things done, good."

FuriousxGeorge posted:

Hey JC, how does this law impact parents who are undocumented immigrants?

Call Me Charlie posted:

You'll NEVER guess how Dems plan to outflank Trump on Trade!

it's tax credits again


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/senate-democrats-seek-to-outdo-trump-on-trade.html

JeffersonClay posted:

If the truancy problem is due to willful neglect, which is the type we're talking about prosecuting, I don't think you're necessarily correct.

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In April 2004, San Francisco Police Department Officer Isaac Espinoza was shot and killed in the line of duty.[14] Three days later D.A. Harris announced she would not seek the death penalty, infuriating the San Francisco Police Officers Association.[14] During Officer Espinoza's funeral at St. Mary's Cathedral U.S. Senator and former San Francisco mayor Dianne Feinstein rose to the pulpit and called on Harris, who was sitting in the front pew, to secure the death penalty, prompting a standing ovation from the 2,000 uniformed police officers in attendance.[14] Harris still refused.[14] Officer Espinoza's killer was convicted of the murder and sentenced to life in prison.

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As D.A., Harris started a program that gives first-time drug dealers the chance to earn a high-school diploma and find employment.

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Harris created a special Hate Crimes Unit as San Francisco District Attorney. She focused on hate crimes against LGBT children and teens in schools. She convened a national conference to confront the "gay-transgender panic defense", which has been used to justify violent hate crimes.

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Harris created a special Hate Crimes Unit as San Francisco District Attorney. She focused on hate crimes against LGBT children and teens in schools. She convened a national conference to confront the "gay-transgender panic defense", which has been used to justify violent hate crimes.

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On August 24, 2012, the Los Angeles Times published an editorial calling on Harris to release Daniel Larsen from prison.[81] Larsen, who was sentenced to 28 years to life under California's three strikes laws for possession of a concealed weapon in 1999, was declared "actually innocent" by a federal judge in 2009 and ordered released. In March 2013, Larsen was released on bond with the case on appeal by order of Attorney General Harris "on technical grounds".

JailTrump posted:

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I see a somewhat good record.

Condiv posted:

hmm. i didn't realize the dems were wanting to adopt trump's platform. that's amazingly idiotic

Call Me Charlie posted:

"The problem is President Trump has talked a good game"

Al Borland Corp. posted:

What if instead of prisoners being forced to do slave labor they could earn a college education on prison campus. Like, what if your core were literature, ethics, philosophy, science, and after that you move on to one of a few different available programs.

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Grand Theft Autobot posted:

Yes, I'm sure the jailing of the child's parent will magically result in said child increasing school attendance. Surely being placed in the foster care system or a group home will serve to instill a strong sense of civic pride in this youth.

Maybe, just maybe, there are gradients of "abuse" and "neglect" and not all of them should result in termination of parental rights or imprisonment. Just a thought.

FuriousxGeorge posted:

Hey JC, how does this law impact parents who are undocumented immigrants?

Condiv posted:

what about the parents who can't afford to find parking, go inside, escort their kid to someone who could do such a thing? guess they just go to jail

i'm actually relatively certain you don't at all

JeffersonClay posted:

It makes no distinction.

Call Me Charlie posted:

You'll NEVER guess how Dems plan to outflank Trump on Trade!

it's tax credits again


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/senate-democrats-seek-to-outdo-trump-on-trade.html

JeffersonClay posted:

Literally every poor child, documented or not, is eligible for Medical. California has the lowest rate of uninsured children in the nation. Are we white knighting the parent who doesn't sign their poor child up for free health insurance, and then when their child gets real sick, refuses to take them to the emergency room, where they must be treated regardless of ability to pay? That sure sounds like willful neglect to me.

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All they'd need to do is drop them off at the curb and take a picture with a date and time. The instant they touch school grounds they're the school's responsibility. But this is all absurd because this statute isn't about prosecuting every parent whose kid ditches class. It's about prosecuting willfully negligent parents.

Sneakster posted:

Sweet loving Christ. Schumer and Pelosi need to be primaried immediately. This cannot be salvaged and they can't be allowed to continue to lead after indulging this. The democratic party must be destroyed.

Call Me Charlie posted:

Why is it always loving tax credits with the dems?

Lightning Lord posted:

Its quite possible to say that Harris supporting this law is bad, yet it's not a personal dealbreaker for her possible candidacy in 2020. Like do you not understand that criticism of a candidate doesn't mean they're forever hated? And even so, doesn't mean people won't vote for them? Earlier people were talking about how they still voted Clinton. Like, universal praise is for MAGAMen.

C. Everett Koop posted:

Or you can nominate someone who isn't a few chromosomes shy of being an Uncle Tom.

Lightning Lord posted:

I'm just saying "I'm concerned about Harris' stance on these policies, I hope she addresses them" is not "I'm now voting Trump! America first!" like some pretend it is that's all

Lightning Lord posted:

I'm just saying "I'm concerned about Harris' stance on these policies, I hope she addresses them" is not "I'm now voting Trump! America first!" like some pretend it is that's all

Lightning Lord posted:

I'm just saying "I'm concerned about Harris' stance on these policies, I hope she addresses them" is not "I'm now voting Trump! America first!" like some pretend it is that's all

Call Me Charlie posted:

Why rehab Harris when we can just rally behind/select an actual progressive in the primary?

Nevvy Z posted:

I agree. This thread would be a lot better if people stopped actively misportraying what others said.

Condiv posted:

are you sure this thread is rehabilitate-able? you guys haven't proven to be very receptive of any criticism of democrats

BadOptics posted:

Rehabilitation is for the alt-left, it would be better to just fine/jail everyone in this thread so they learn their lesson. /s

Nevvy Z posted:

The only punishment for crime should be therapy.

Nevvy Z posted:

The only punishment for crime should be death.

Condiv posted:

you're a loving idiot. there are steps between "my kid needs an emergency room" and "my kid needs to stay home sick". further, you're literally claiming here that there are over approx 2million parents in california who need to be locked up for endangering their kids. gently caress off jc

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no, that would not be enough against the school's word. sorry. and prosecuting any parent over truancy is idiotic, and i've explained why to you already. you could probably be convinced colloidal silver is a good idea considering your distaste for science and love for believing in idiotic poo poo.

in any case, gently caress off. you're terrible

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It's a big enough challenge when everybody plays things straight. But what about when you've got a prosecutor willing to lie? Then things are worse. And given that prosecutors often face no consequences for misconduct, it's not surprising that some are willing to lie about it.

That's what happened in the California case of The People v. Efrain Velasco-Palacios. In the course of negotiating a plea bargain with the defendant, a Kern County prosecutor committed what the California appeals court called "outrageous government misconduct."


What prosecuting attorney Robert Murray did was produce a translated transcript of the defendant's interrogation to which he had added a fraudulent confession. The defense attorney got a copy of the audio tape of the interrogation, but it "ended abruptly." Eventually, Murray admitted to falsifying the transcript, presumably in the hopes of either coercing a plea deal, or ensuring a victory at trial.

When the trial judge found out, charges against the defendant were dismissed. Incredibly, the State of California, via Attorney General Kamala Harris, decided to appeal the case. The state's key argument: That putting a fake confession in the transcript wasn't "outrageous" because it didn't involve physical brutality, like chaining someone to a radiator and beating him with a hose.

JeffersonClay posted:

Yes, and you don't need a doctor's note for missing a couple of days of school due to minor illness, and in any case, you need to miss 4 weeks of school to be classified as chronically truant. This is nonsense.

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I don't think parents who don't secure free health insurance for their kids need to be locked up for endangering. I think parents who have kids with serious illness who do not take their kids to see medical professionals for a month are guilty of child abuse.

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Yes, a photograph with a date and time is admissible evidence in a criminal trial, you are a moron.

Call Me Charlie posted:

Why rehab Harris when we can just rally behind an actual progressive in the primary? Just because Hillary's moneymen met with her doesn't mean she has 2020 all wrapped up.

Liquid Drink posted:

If Harris/Gillibrand/Cuomo/Booker gets the nomination, then Trump wins easily in 2020.

JeffersonClay posted:

Yes, and you don't need a doctor's note for missing a couple of days of school due to minor illness, and in any case, you need to miss 4 weeks of school to be classified as chronically truant. This is nonsense.

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

No. Harris followed up with a bill that defines truancy as being absent or arriving more than 30 minutes late without a valid excuse three times in a school year.

You're also completely ignoring the core argument, which is whether it's either moral or effective to jail parents for their children's truancy (it's neither).