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Jeb! Repetition posted:That was the most interesting Data's ever been at the end despite it being creepy. I hope they do something else with his developing emotions or some emotion-like thing in him that he can't understand or control. That would require continuity, which is the enemy of syndication
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vermin posted:I remember hearing an Orville joke where they ask the person on the other screen to step into the center of the frame cause there's a lot of dead space there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qJZbruSdSk
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shadok posted:I have never understood why Data lies at the end about trying to shoot Kivas Fajo. Both the writer and Spiner didn't like that but apparently it was insisted on by the higher-ups.
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McNally posted:Because he was turning into a real boy. Spoilers for Jeb!, but I was always a little disappointed that they dropped this concept for Data— that he was discovering some sort of "Tin Man" robot emotions were inside him all along— in favor of autistic "bleep bloop, I do not understand this emotion you call love" Data. I feel like they kind of reinvented the character in season four starting with that one where he's that blond girl's rebound.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:21
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Kibayasu posted:Both the writer and Spiner didn't like that but apparently it was insisted on by the higher-ups. I mean, he's Lore's brother. Of course he can be a stone cold motherfucker if he wants.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:25
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The Bloop posted:Since you just watched it, I have to ask you to refresh my fuzzy memory: does Data actually lie? I recall him saying something like "it must have discharged during transport" that is a technical truth he probably took ten billion cycles to calculate as good enough to stop the questions. Well he says "perhaps something occurred during transport" which is a lie in all but the most literal sense.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Well he says "perhaps something occurred during transport" which is a lie in all but the most literal sense. Yeah but a literal android might very well be able to live with that
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jli5iP7UlA Data hands the disruptor pistol to Riker, and Riker says "Mr. O'Brien said that the weapon was in a state of discharge." There's a long pause where Riker's expression is "did you shoot that motherfucker, and what are we putting in the official report?" Data goes through an odd series of frowny expressions that I guess indicate he's thinking, and then he says, "perhaps something occurred during transport, Commander." They stare each other down for a moment, then Data walks away and Riker exchanges a "holy poo poo" look with O'Brien. The more I think about it, the more I realize that it kind of works. Data lying about trying to kill Fajo is almost as shocking as him actually doing it, in its own way.
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God, Brent Spiner's acting is so good there. When he says "I can not allow this to continue" you just realize that he's made his mind up and now nothing will stop him from carrying out his plan. If Data ever went full Terminator, he'd be loving horrifying.
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Data should have asked Fajo how Daphne was doing. (Sorry. I couldn't resist)
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What the gently caress are Data's pants in that scene
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cheetah7071 posted:What the gently caress are Data's pants in that scene
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Oh god, please don't, it's bad enough I have to see Garrison in the political cartoon thread, let's not even give him the respect of discussing it.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Spoilers for Jeb!, but I was always a little disappointed that they dropped this concept for Data— that he was discovering some sort of "Tin Man" robot emotions were inside him all along— in favor of autistic "bleep bloop, I do not understand this emotion you call love" Data. I feel like they kind of reinvented the character in season four starting with that one where he's that blond girl's rebound. I suspect we can blame Michael Piller for that. Dude loved the "Pinocchio" concept so hard he wanted to retcon out the emotion chip out for Insurrection. Granted, the emotion chip was an incredibly hamfisted way of going about having him pick up emotions, but in Fade In Piller straight up says he did not want Data to ever have emotions, at all.
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WampaLord posted:God, Brent Spiner's acting is so good there. When he says "I can not allow this to continue" you just realize that he's made his mind up and now nothing will stop him from carrying out his plan. Data is just doing his duty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29-iFOEOgIM
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Jeb! Repetition posted:
It looks like he's starting at a Picard action figure
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corn in the bible posted:It looks like he's starting at a Picard action figure He wishes he was.
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WampaLord posted:God, Brent Spiner's acting is so good there. When he says "I can not allow this to continue" you just realize that he's made his mind up and now nothing will stop him from carrying out his plan. This cannot continue. This cannot continue. This cannot continue. This cannot continue. This cannot continue. This cannot continue. This cannot continuethiscannotcontinuethiscannotcontinuethiscannotcontinuethiscannotcontinuethiscannotcontinue
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WampaLord posted:God, Brent Spiner's acting is so good there. When he says "I can not allow this to continue" you just realize that he's made his mind up and now nothing will stop him from carrying out his plan. We kinda see the barest hint of what might almost be possible of Data going rogue in Brothers. Less "Terminator" and more "whatever the gently caress I want", but still.
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Aug 3, 2017 02:37
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MillennialVulcan posted:This cannot continue. It's like arguing with the HDD indicator LED on your computer.
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Stop. Stop. Stop it. Stop. Stop. Stop it.
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I might have missed this being posted, but then again so might someone else, so here it is again. DS9 Season 4 Trailer https://vimeo.com/227828163
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WampaLord posted:God, Brent Spiner's acting is so good there. When he says "I can not allow this to continue" you just realize that he's made his mind up and now nothing will stop him from carrying out his plan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29-iFOEOgIM&t=61s
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Aug 3, 2017 03:55
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It's really funny when Bashir is all excited after he meets Garak for the first time and wants to tell everybody about it.
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Shibawanko posted:It's really funny when Bashir is all excited after he meets Garak for the first time and wants to tell everybody about it. His excitement about secret agent stuff becomes an arc that goes through the final season and it's introduced in episode 3 of DS9 along with Garak. Good show.
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WampaLord posted:If Data ever went full Terminator, he'd be loving horrifying. Data got a homing beacon turned on inside of him by his dad, and one time some alien beings took him over. The Greatest Generation likes to jokingly wonder why Data isn't in irons constantly, because when Data goes bad, Data goes loving bad. e: poo poo, he has some nightmares and he goes full-on Jason Voorhees on Troi. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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Yeah but considering how often the meatbrains also get taken over by random aliens, I don't think Data's really any worse in that regard.
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Arglebargle III posted:His excitement about secret agent stuff becomes an arc that goes through the final season and it's introduced in episode 3 of DS9 along with Garak. They're also completely gay for each other.
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Yeah Troi gets taken over on the reg and does crazy poo poo like kick Worf's rear end and try to destroy the ship for finding the home planet of a bunch of xenophobic weirdos.
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Trip report: DS9 season 3, episode 20 "Probable Cause" One thing about watching this for the first time in 20 years, I remember some of the details and some of the big picture stuff, but sometimes not completely, and not exactly when it takes place. I remember the Tal Shiar taking a fleet to decapitate the Dominion by exterminating the Founders on their homeworld, but I didn't remember it included the Obsidian Order. And I really thought I remembered, if you had asked me, that it took place much later, after open war broke out at the very least, and very likely I would've said it was when things were pretty desperate and it was nearly a last resort. I must have conflated it with something else. But this brings up another point I have to make: something's been bothering me all season and that's the Romulans. They are really acting uncharacteristically, first with loaning a cloaking device for the Defiant, and later with this overt attack. I understand the justifications given, but I don't really buy them. I imagine it's a way to show the true strength of the Dominion and that they can out-Romulan even the Romulans themselves into creating a pretext for war that will destabilize and demoralize their enemies. I mean who else is it going to be besides the Romulans I guess, to be that paranoid about a new power, but this is over the top even for them. The worst part is, I hate it because I know what happens, and I really want it to have worked. I prefer Sheridan's method in B5, and I hate the Dominion more than the Shadows (as entertainment). For most of the war it feels kinda like the Dominion is cheating, and there's very little I despise more.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:
In retrospect, the emotion chip was dramatically the weakest possible way for this character to reach that turning point. A lifelong journey of self-discovery and reaching for the improbable culminates in... somebody just gives it to him out of the blue. Lame.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:In retrospect, the emotion chip was dramatically the weakest possible way for this character to reach that turning point. A lifelong journey of self-discovery and reaching for the improbable culminates in... somebody just gives it to him out of the blue. Lame. This is honestly why I have a slight problem with the way in which The Doctor was handled (spoiled below just in case) I like his character; he was one of the most interesting people on Voyager. The issue is that The Doctor never had to put too much work into his personal growth. For him, it was always just a matter of adding some new algorithms to his program so that he could sing, travel outside sickbay, daydream, etc. When you're a program with features that can be added at will, the journey of self-discovery means less than someone who has to earn that same experience through blood, sweat and tears.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:But this brings up another point I have to make: something's been bothering me all season and that's the Romulans. They are really acting uncharacteristically, first with loaning a cloaking device for the Defiant, and later with this overt attack. I understand the justifications given, but I don't really buy them. I imagine it's a way to show the true strength of the Dominion and that they can out-Romulan even the Romulans themselves into creating a pretext for war that will destabilize and demoralize their enemies. I really wish DS9 had kept around the Romulan officer from 'The Search', or at least had some other recurring Romulan character. We never really got their point of view, and it made the Romulan stories we got feel a bit disconnected - I mean, we get the whole thing with Sisko tricking the Romulans into the war, but it's not as meaningful as it could have been since we never got a Romulan Martok after that to push their agenda and viewpoint. Hell, we barely saw the Romulans in the war!
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Angry Salami posted:I really wish DS9 had kept around the Romulan officer from 'The Search', or at least had some other recurring Romulan character. We never really got their point of view, and it made the Romulan stories we got feel a bit disconnected - I mean, we get the whole thing with Sisko tricking the Romulans into the war, but it's not as meaningful as it could have been since we never got a Romulan Martok after that to push their agenda and viewpoint. Hell, we barely saw the Romulans in the war! Yeah, I've thought this for a long time too. And as an added benefit, it would probably mean Martha Hackett would have fuller schedule with DS9 and thus we'd be spared Seska from VOY.
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I've seen a lot of bizarre ben garrison cartoons, but this one takes the cake. 
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The biggest failure in the entire Star Trek franchise imo is how badly they handled the Romulans. You could probably count on one hand the amount of episodes where Romulans are actually used in a consistent, interesting way
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:The issue is that The Doctor never had to put too much work into his personal growth. The Doctor could plug in skills, but he still had to figure out how to use them appropriately. The lesson also worked the other way when he learned that unwanted memories couldn't just be edited out.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:For most of the war it feels kinda like the Dominion is cheating, and there's very little I despise more. Yeah I feel like DS9 basically has the Dominion on the brink of overrunning the Federation right up until they've been pushed back to Cardassia Prime, and even then it's all "~ooh~ if we don't get them now they'll somehow build a massive killer space fleet and overrun us in like a year or two" and then the changeling is all "nuhhh how do we know you're not gonna come kick our rear end in the Gamma Quadrant" and dude what the gently caress how could that possibly be a thing
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Yeah I feel like DS9 basically has the Dominion on the brink of overrunning the Federation right up until they've been pushed back to Cardassia Prime, and even then it's all "~ooh~ if we don't get them now they'll somehow build a massive killer space fleet and overrun us in like a year or two" With regards to the latter, this was a giant paranoia on the part of the changelings, and in their defense, Alpha Quadrant people had attacked them twice in less than seven years, at their homeworld no less.
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