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Powaqoatse posted:To me the greater loss is that Idris Elba and Matt McConnaughhey were in a bad movie. I like those guys & I want them to do well. If it's going to be a TV show, are they going to be in it?
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Idris Elba is but as a narrator/bookend thing as the show is supposed to be about young Roland's adventures (from the 1st and 4th books.)
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Aug 5, 2017 01:54
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The Young Roland Deschain Chronicles, starring Sean Patrick Flannery
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CelticPredator posted:I thought Tobin Bell was the night janitor? Or did that person call Tobin Bell a her? Tobin Bell shows up as a cameo for like 10 minutes. The villain of the piece is a woman.
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Aug 5, 2017 02:50
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Matthew McConnaughey leaves tooth marks about an inch deep or more in every piece of scenery he can get his mouth around, which really softened the blow of the Dark Tower movie being kind of generic and young adult adventure-ish. I went in with pretty low expectations after I heard the movie was only going to be an hour and a half long and still had fun. The auditorium was about as empty and lifeless as Mid-World, though, which does not bode well for the evening of a film's opening day. Shame they didn't have a post-credits ending stinger where Walter comes back to life and shakes his fist in the air at Roland or something, which would be even more hilarious given that this thing is probably never getting a sequel and we'll probably never see anything Dark Tower related on the big screen until someone decides to try it again like a decade from now.
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Aug 5, 2017 06:10
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Just make Matt McConnaughey Randall Flagg for The Stand already drat.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Just make Matt McConnaughey Randall Flagg for The Stand already drat. They only ever call him Walter, so I wonder if there's a rights thing going on there. I was expecting a thing where they said he had many names and that to get dropped, but nada.
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So it sounds like it's a good movie if, like the vast majority of people, you give absolutely no fucks about those books.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:So it sounds like it's a good movie if, like the vast majority of people, you give absolutely no fucks about those books. Yeah, basically. The lovely thing is it's a franchise you easily could have found middle ground and had something that appealed to the mass audiences while still giving the fans of the book something. They made some smart choices, like making Jake the main character, and not directly adapting The Gunslinger, which would make a fuckin' terrible mess of a movie if you tried. But they also didn't go quite weird enough, crammed too much poo poo into it, and it should have been rated R and about 30 minutes longer.
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It really does sound like this was born out of that Talisman script that didn't actually have the Talisman in it.
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Vince MechMahon posted:They only ever call him Walter, so I wonder if there's a rights thing going on there. I was expecting a thing where they said he had many names and that to get dropped, but nada. It is a rights issue, as I remember it different studios have movie rights to The Stand and The Dark Tower, though Matt Mc was tipped for the Flagg character for both.
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Paramount is in financial trouble. Their Chinese partner Hua Hua is angry at lost of tens of millions of dollars after their $1 billion slate financing deal have so far failed to produce any big hits. The three major Paramount movies so far this year (Ghost In The Shell, Baywatch, Transformers 5) have underperformed. http://variety.com/2017/film/news/viacom-executives-flying-china-huahua-film-slate-deal-shaky-1202514750/
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Inspector Gesicht posted:What's so underwhelming about Transformers 5 that not even the Chinese would save it? Transformers 5's global gross is just over half of Transformers 4 so it's not like China can do much. China is again the highest-grossing market, albeit at $290 million vs Transformers 4's $320 million. I think it's the new writing team and the marketing. The previous 4 movies were pretty straightforward good robots vs bad robots deal. This new one tried to add in stuff about King Arthur and WW2 and it probably confuses people. Plus they had 4 movies by the same director already so it's also franchise fatigue. Not to mention the appeal of Transformers 4 to China is a good chunk of the movie being set in Shanghai. Transformers 5 barely had any Chinese locales or actors. Next year we will get another Transformers movie but with a new director (Kubo & The Two Strings' Travis Knight), cheaper actors (the two most famous ones are Hailee Steinfeld and John Cena), fewer robots, smaller budget ($70 million) and a smaller scope (all filming will be done in California which also earned the movie a $22 million tax break from the state).
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Aug 5, 2017 08:58
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It's seem like with every new Transformers movie they get an entirely new backstory.
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Aug 5, 2017 09:03
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Inspector Gesicht posted:It's seem like with every new Transformers movie they get an entirely new backstory. Next year they'll pull a Marvel and the Transformers are all racist now.
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Aug 5, 2017 09:05
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Inspector Gesicht posted:It's seem like with every new Transformers movie they get an entirely new backstory. This is actually consistent with the cartoon, funnily enough. One episode shows the evil Constructicons building Megatron's body, but another episode shows Megatron reprogramming the good Constructicons into evil robots. If anything, the movies are probably too faithful to how the cartoon was written and eventually people tire of it the same way the cartoon ended after the 1986 movie flopped and the ratings went down in season 3 after it.
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The MSJ posted:This is actually consistent with the cartoon, funnily enough. One episode shows the evil Constructicons building Megatron's body, but another episode shows Megatron reprogramming the good Constructicons into evil robots. If anything, the movies are probably too faithful to how the cartoon was written and eventually people tire of it the same way the cartoon ended after the 1986 movie flopped and the ratings went down in season 3 after it. Hopefully this means they'll go on into actually kind of good writing taking broad strokes at best from the original. Pretty much anything that makes Transformers worth discussing as anything other than nostalgic mockery is from the dozen or so other shows (and comics, somewhat) that have had different takes on it. They never stop making Transformers, though they do change it a lot.
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The MSJ posted:Transformers 5's global gross is just over half of Transformers 4 so it's not like China can do much. China is again the highest-grossing market, albeit at $290 million vs Transformers 4's $320 million. I heard somewhere (probably on SA) that every King Arthur movie is a flop and apparently it extends to just movies with King Arthur as a minor character now. I dunno, like if you're in Paramount's position and you're trying to stay a tent-pole studio, but you don't have Harry Potter, Marvel, DC or Star Wars, and the properties you do have are growing less and less relevant to the people still going to the movies, that's a tough spot. Throwing money at The Rock and Scarlet Johansson in nostalgia pieces and bringing back Transfomers is on paper about as good of a play you could make. So yeah I think them going a bit smaller is pretty much all they can do now.
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The Sword In The Stone was a flop? I actually have no idea. King Arthur, much like Robin Hood, is one of those things that is a good idea on paper but in practice unless the movie looks really good and interesting on its own merits no one cares. On second thought, it's probably because they try to make them all 'realistic' and take out the magic and all that, and most of the people just watch for Merlin. Oh, Monty Python and the Holy Grail is very technically a King Arthur movie.
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Inescapable Duck posted:The Sword In The Stone was a flop? I actually have no idea. I thought this trailer for Warhammer Total War DLC was the closest thing to a genuine adaptation of King Arthur than any movies who are so obsessed with being moody and gritty instead of bright and overly melodramatic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bZ-_xEPU-o Like, King Arthur is naturally really cheesy, play into that instead of trying to "ground" it or whatever.
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Taintrunner posted:I thought this trailer for Warhammer Total War DLC was the closest thing to a genuine adaptation of King Arthur than any movies who are so obsessed with being moody and gritty instead of bright and overly melodramatic. Or, you know, Excalibur.
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Rick posted:I heard somewhere (probably on SA) that every King Arthur movie is a flop and apparently it extends to just movies with King Arthur as a minor character now. It appears TV is the opposite, since the UK Merlin show and Once Upon A Time (I think half of season 5 had Arthur and his knights as villains) are both pretty popular. Probably not coincidentally, both Lancelot from Merlin and Arthur from OUAT were in Transformers 5 as the anti-Transformers commando and King Arthur (again) respectively. Inescapable Duck posted:On second thought, it's probably because they try to make them all 'realistic' and take out the magic and all that, and most of the people just watch for Merlin. Guy Ritchie's King Arthur movie still have magic and all that, and it's still a flop. Of course it also had Arthur as a kickboxer.
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Aug 5, 2017 11:49
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Vegetable posted:It's the right time for a Beast Wars movie For some reason I thought you said Battle Beasts and I was all "Yes, it is the right time for a Battle Beasts movie." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N4yzJbLmTY
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Detective No. 27 posted:I read through the first Dark Tower book in January and was underwhelmed. gunslinger is pretty good (the unrevised version anyway) and might be king's best book. each book is worse than the last (and there's a marked drop in quality after the 4th book) tho so it's good you bowed out. Vince MechMahon posted:They made some smart choices, like making Jake the main character, and not directly adapting The Gunslinger, double LOL i thought someone was trolling yesterday when they told me jake was the main character. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Vegetable posted:It's the right time for a Beast Wars movie They were almost going to do this with Transformers 5.   Neither of these were in the final movie.
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Something that the overly-busy and organic Bayformers designs would actually be good for, of course they wasted it. ...Transformers crossing over with the Godzilla/King Kong franchise might work almost too well. Especially when some cities on Cybertron can get up and fight back.
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The MSJ posted:They were almost going to do this with Transformers 5. obligatory beast wars megatron was the greatest cartoon villain of all time post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWWXw5SMIP0
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Inescapable Duck posted:Something that the overly-busy and organic Bayformers designs would actually be good for, of course they wasted it. Plus they already have a robot godzilla in Trypticon. He's a big evil doofus that loves to steal famous buildings. http://i.imgur.com/e4KVKaS.gifv
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Bringing back the Godzilla 2014 chat since there's no dedicated thread for movies like that, I'm very curious how they're going to handle Mothra. I've been binging on the old Godzilla movies, and I've noticed Mothra is a cue for weirdness. Faeries, psychics, Mothra being explicitly identified as a god, etc. There's a lot of talk in G14 about identifying Big G as a god of destruction, and I'm wondering if Monarch might take a more respectful if not reverent approach to Mothra. After the British, French, and Americans failed to kill Godzilla with their nuclear tests in the Pacific, and the frankly disastrous Skull Island expedition, I think setting up the Infant Island expedition and perhaps branch of Monarch could be a good contrast - that these scientists came in peace, not bombing everything, and by the 21st century might agree with the locals about Mothra's divine nature. Edit: Thinking about it, G14 is threatening to make me write an essay about that movie's portrayal of and relationship with the divine. I love the scene of the American fleet escorting Godzilla to San Francisco, and the imagery struck me of a prophet followed by a throng of pilgrims and believers. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Taintrunner posted:I thought this trailer for Warhammer Total War DLC was the closest thing to a genuine adaptation of King Arthur than any movies who are so obsessed with being moody and gritty instead of bright and overly melodramatic. Darn, I thought this would be 40k. Imagine Arthur on a space crusade, kind of like Chronicles of Riddick 
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Al Borland Corp. posted:So it sounds like it's a good movie if, like the vast majority of people, you give absolutely no fucks about those books. Not really. If you don't know anything about the books it's just a subpar Harry Potter with worse visuals.
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Cythereal posted:Bringing back the Godzilla 2014 chat since there's no dedicated thread for movies like that, I'm very curious how they're going to handle Mothra. I've been binging on the old Godzilla movies, and I've noticed Mothra is a cue for weirdness. Faeries, psychics, Mothra being explicitly identified as a god, etc. There's a lot of talk in G14 about identifying Big G as a god of destruction, and I'm wondering if Monarch might take a more respectful if not reverent approach to Mothra. After the British, French, and Americans failed to kill Godzilla with their nuclear tests in the Pacific, and the frankly disastrous Skull Island expedition, I think setting up the Infant Island expedition and perhaps branch of Monarch could be a good contrast - that these scientists came in peace, not bombing everything, and by the 21st century might agree with the locals about Mothra's divine nature. Godzilla: Half-Century War had a fun take with the team assigned to handle Mothra being hippies in a combie-van referring to her like a goddess. Might be weird given the general tone of Godzilla and Skull Island is treating the kaiju both as animals with a place in Earth's ecosystem and as near-divine beings who attract fear and reverence from humans. Otherwise they tend to leave out most of the sci-fi kitchen sink weirdness of the franchise, and probably for good reason, though there might be room for ambiguously magical weird poo poo.
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Groovelord Neato posted:gunslinger is pretty good (the unrevised version anyway) and might be king's best book. each book is worse than the last (and there's a marked drop in quality after the 4th book) tho so it's good you bowed out. Gunslinger works as a book because it allows you into Roland's head and gives you time to take in this weird fantasy cowboy apocalypse world. The movie doesn't have that luxury unless it's a 3 and a half hour long LOTR style epic, and even then would have instantly alienated all non book fan viewers. It's also structurally super weird and even with the rest of the books not super consistent. Like Roland in that book barely seems like Roland in the other books, with all the loving and what not. He's a rough sketch of a character that King didn't nail down until Drawing of the Three. So yeah, streamlining it and making Jake the main character as an entry point was a smart idea. But they just didn't execute on it.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Godzilla: Half-Century War had a fun take with the team assigned to handle Mothra being hippies in a combie-van referring to her like a goddess. I dunno, the Monarch personnel in G14 consistently refer to Godzilla as a god, though I'm not sure how sincere they're being - I suspect it might be a Japanese cultural subtext thing I'm not informed enough to understand. I wouldn't have any trouble with the idea of the Mothra branch of Monarch having gone a bit native to play to Mothra's origins with the franchise. Also going to be interesting to see how they treat Ghidorah. Rodan, at least, is usually pretty straightforward.
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