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The Meji Restoration modernized Japan but let's not pretend it was only a good thing. It was a transfer of power from the old entrenched feudal military government to a more centralised modern state which has its own oligarchs many of them still noblemen. Also the modern industrial Japanese state went on to create its own form of fascism and became one of the most brutal colonial powers in history. The strict and oppressive feudal state on the other hand had 200+ years of peace and stability. FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Inescapable Duck posted:Curb Your Enthusiasm with samurai. I think a cowboy only self destructs by entering into a duel he knows he can't/won't win. Obviously the central fuckup produces some kid with a chip on his shoulder and the honourable old gunman has to take a bullet at high noon rather than kill the kid.
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Aug 11, 2017 12:39
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Shanty posted:I think a cowboy only self destructs by entering into a duel he knows he can't/won't win. Obviously the central fuckup produces some kid with a chip on his shoulder and the honourable old gunman has to take a bullet at high noon rather than kill the kid. Wait, I think this was Gran Torino.
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Aug 11, 2017 12:53
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Inescapable Duck posted:Curb Your Enthusiasm with samurai. Now, a cowboy eating his revolver makes me think of two plots. One, he accidentally takes a bullet to the mouth at the start of the film. He survives, but he's trying to go about his day while his mouth is haemorrhaging blood. Say there's a scene where he's talking to someone, sprays blood all over them. Eventually there's so much blood they both start slipping in it. There's even a scene where he's trying to prevent talking and keeps his mouth shut. Eventually enough prodding forces him to open his mouth, and it is a literal geyser. Two, dude literally eats his revolver, and every time he speaks he shoots his gun. So every time he tries to explain his predicament he ends up shooting someone in the face.
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Aug 11, 2017 19:33
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Maybe the cowboy keeps trying, unsuccessfully, to shoot people and only at the end of the movie does he realize that his gun is actually a piece of cake.
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Aug 11, 2017 19:37
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SomeJazzyRat posted:Now, a cowboy eating his revolver makes me think of two plots. Why not both? An entire anthology film about a cowboy eating his gun interpreted in various different ways all of them goofy magical realism.
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Aug 11, 2017 19:43
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Samurai Gourmet but set in NYC with Larry David in the lead role.
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Aug 11, 2017 20:34
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fatherboxx posted:Uhhh, folks, any bad movies coming out soon? The new ones out today all seem skippable :/
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Aug 11, 2017 20:42
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An episode of Curb where Lar Bald Davi has to break it to his commanding officer that he accidently picked up his lightsaber instead of his own, culminating in a raid on the death star to replace it without him noticing.
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Aug 11, 2017 22:24
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FreudianSlippers posted:The Meji Restoration modernized Japan but let's not pretend it was only a good thing. It was a transfer of power from the old entrenched feudal military government to a more centralised modern state which has its own oligarchs many of them still noblemen. This is the more educated and informed version of the post I was trying to write. SomeJazzyRat posted:Now, a cowboy eating his revolver makes me think of two plots. This post is beautiful.
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Aug 12, 2017 06:46
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Firstborn posted:An episode of Curb where Lar Bald Davi has to break it to his commanding officer that he accidently picked up his lightsaber instead of his own, culminating in a raid on the death star to replace it without him noticing. In the last scene, the Emperor calls him into his office and gives him that very lightsaber as a gift. But the person bringing that lightsaber into the office to give to Lar turns out to be a moff that Lar said "gently caress you!!!" to while brandishing the Emperor's lightsaber over a minor parking issue to earlier in the movie.
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Aug 12, 2017 08:51
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Come to think of it, that's almost basically the story of the villain of Rogue One. He even has Vader force choke him and make a dad joke about it, and otherwise gets owned over and over by his own superiors.
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Aug 12, 2017 08:54
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It's a shame Ben Mandelson couldn't bring anything more interesting to Krennic than bored contempt because him being poo poo on by the Empire was a great character trait if he had found any way to have it influence his performance.
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PriorMarcus posted:It's a shame Ben Mandelson couldn't bring anything more interesting to Krennic than bored contempt because him being poo poo on by the Empire was a great character trait if he had found any way to have it influence his performance. It's okay, I'm sure he'll find his breakout performance in Star Citizen
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Aug 12, 2017 11:19
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"the empire is good" he says without noticing all the members of the empire are white humans (and only humans) in SS uniforms.
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Aug 12, 2017 12:08
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Groovelord Neato posted:"the empire is good" he says without noticing all the members of the empire are white humans (and only humans) in SS uniforms. I'm pretty sure they noticed just fine
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Aug 12, 2017 12:59
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Groovelord Neato posted:"the empire is good" he says without noticing all the members of the empire are white humans (and only humans) in SS uniforms. Remember the freakout when Finn was first revealed in The Force Awakens? That was because it blew their expectations of stormtroopers being nothing but white guys.
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Aug 12, 2017 13:07
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Why white Stormtroopers, though? Where was the outrage over him not being Maori?
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Aug 12, 2017 13:30
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Young Freud posted:Remember the freakout when Finn was first revealed in The Force Awakens? That was because it blew their expectations of stormtroopers being nothing but white guys. the first order appears to be jonesing for recruits (they have women and people of color in other roles as well).
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Aug 12, 2017 13:32
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But I thought all stormtroopers are clones of Boba Fett's dad.
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Aug 12, 2017 13:43
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guys. don't.
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Aug 12, 2017 13:53
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Skwirl posted:Well, in the prequels there's Human slavery, which the Empire seems to have completely wiped out in a single generation (replacing it with Droid slavery admittedly, but it's still a step in the right direction). The clone troopers were also slaves.
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Aug 12, 2017 14:05
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Groovelord Neato posted:the first order appears to be jonesing for recruits (they have women and people of color in other roles as well). Yeah, I think they even say in the film that Finn was essentially a child soldier stolen from his parents, which makes the First Order more the Lord's Resistance Army than the Nazi analogs in the original trilogy. Pope Corky the IX posted:But I thought all stormtroopers are clones of Boba Fett's dad. It's commonly believed before and I think even spelled out later in stuff like Rebels that the clonetroopers were decommissioned following the creation of the Empire. The clones where expensive to produce (as well as involve aliens in their creation), had limited lifespans due to rapid aging, and limited numbers. With the Emperor's new authority, he started mass conscription, which gave him more manpower than the clones could offer.
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Aug 12, 2017 14:08
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At least one Clone Trooper made it all the way to Return of The Jedi (it's a fan theory, for now).
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Aug 12, 2017 14:25
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Skwirl posted:Jabba the Hutt is a criminal overlord A criminal overlord that cooperates with the Empire.
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Aug 12, 2017 14:41
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Young Freud posted:It's commonly believed before and I think even spelled out later in stuff like Rebels that the clonetroopers were decommissioned following the creation of the Empire. The clones where expensive to produce (as well as involve aliens in their creation), had limited lifespans due to rapid aging, and limited numbers. With the Emperor's new authority, he started mass conscription, which gave him more manpower than the clones could offer. I think the Battlefront explanation is plausible: armies that are clones of one man coming from one planet are very susceptible to corruption and that planet going awry. Conscription and cloning from other templates were introduced after a rebellion on Kamino as a safeguard, with only a select few elite units remaining pure original clones.
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Aug 12, 2017 14:55
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One clone trooper got sneezed on by an Ewok and they all went the way of the Gros Michel banana.
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Cythereal posted:I think the Battlefront explanation is plausible: armies that are clones of one man coming from one planet are very susceptible to corruption and that planet going awry. Conscription and cloning from other templates were introduced after a rebellion on Kamino as a safeguard, with only a select few elite units remaining pure original clones. Plus, the clone army was specifically made as an army-in-a-can to jumpstart the Clone Wars, giving the Republic sudden access to a standing, ready military rather than having to go through the expense and effort of raising a new one. After the Clone Wars are over, Palpatine has mostly undisputed dominion over the Republic and there's no real urgent threats left, there's no reason to keep paying the Kaminoans for clones (since they were raised with Count Dooku's personal fortune anyway) when they can recruit from the Republic's population Given that they'd just wiped out the Jedi that served as the officer corps of the Republic, they'd have reasons to be starting a recruitment drive right after the end of the Clone Wars, and 20 years later in ANH is about when they'd be fully restocked.
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Groovelord Neato posted:"the empire is good" he says without noticing all the members of the empire are white humans (and only humans) in SS uniforms. And the rebellion in the original Star Wars includes a diverse cast of non-white characters including...
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Aug 12, 2017 15:39
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Simplex posted:And the rebellion in the original Star Wars includes a diverse cast of non-white characters including... Chewie Snowglobe of Doom posted:The clone troopers were also slaves. A man chooses, a slave obeys
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Simplex posted:And the rebellion in the original Star Wars includes a diverse cast of non-white characters including... -A big man-bear thing -A gay robot -The only black man in the Galaxy
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got any sevens posted:Chewie He's gonna say Chewie and the droids don't count, either because they're played by white actors or because, if we're looking only at A New Hope (which I'm beginning to think is what he means when he says Star Wars), neither Chewie nor the droids are technically members of the Rebellion, but a mercenary and servants, respectively.
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Phylodox posted:He's gonna say Chewie and the droids don't count, either because they're played by white actors or because, if we're looking only at A New Hope (which I'm beginning to think is what he means when he says Star Wars), neither Chewie nor the droids are technically members of the Rebellion, but a mercenary and servants, respectively. Little people count, surely.
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Aug 12, 2017 15:55
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Alhazred posted:A criminal overlord that cooperates with the Empire. Can you refresh my memory on this one?
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Aug 12, 2017 15:58
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The MSJ posted:Little people count, surely. He just said "non-white". Obviously he is unmoved by the plight of the smaller folk.
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Aug 12, 2017 15:59
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But wasn't "All Stormtroopers = Boba Fett's Dad" a major plot point in Episode II? And in order to find out why they're no longer clones in later films, I have to watch cartoons and play video games?
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Aug 12, 2017 15:59
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Pope Corky the IX posted:But wasn't "All Stormtroopers = Boba Fett's Dad" a major plot point in Episode II? And in order to find out why they're no longer clones in later films, I have to watch cartoons and play video games? yeah, because the reason they're not clones anymore isn't actually important and is just a neat little background detail. you're otherwise just supposed to infer that they're not clones anymore from the fact that they're called stormtroopers instead of clone troopers, and roll with it.
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Aug 12, 2017 16:02
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I just assumed they aged at the same rate as humans and so retired/died in combat/deserted/whatever by the time the OT comes up so there'd only be a few left in the actual imperial army.
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Aug 12, 2017 16:03
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Simplex posted:And the rebellion in the original Star Wars includes a diverse cast of non-white characters including... the admiral of the rebel fleet is a mon calamari. lando's copilot is a sullustan. the empire is human supremacist. the prequels aren't canon so ignore that the stormtroopers were ever jango fett clones.
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Neo Rasa posted:Can you refresh my memory on this one? He and Fett are in on the Han poo poo in Empire and Jedi.
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