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Dienes posted:Do the magic words not work if they are at a 50 degree angle? Obviously not. Why would the government accept your refusal to contract if you can't even get the angle right?
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The 45° angle is the somatic component.
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Dexie posted:What exactly is a sovereign citizen? People who think that "societal contract" = real life legal contract and they get to special snowflake out of getting a drivers liscence. Paying taxes. Listen to police. A cottage industry of self-help gurus have sprung up around these idiots to promise them all sorts of thinks they dont have to do, and eventually out did eachother by claiming you can get literal millions of dollars from the government if you fill out the right forms in red ink at 45 degrees. -bad legalese is rightly described as magic words for them. (They think yelling "I do not consent" means police have to stop doing things to them. -the will spell their name in ALL CAPS to show thats they freeman name not their cooperate name. -They think if they ever listen to a judge or follow any instructions they "create joinder" (opt in to society or "enter into a contract" to be in the legal system, which THEY totally arent) so they think if the judge says sit down and they do suddenly they have to pay taxes. -They dont know how commas work and think everyone is legally described as a boat in all laws. There are threads from time to time about them getting just loving owned by cops, usually them recording their own misfortune to post on their websites. Which are usually their magic words NOT working so its really weird why they share it? Nobody knows they are fuckheads. Occasionally it DOES work. There are examples of court things where the sovcit, representing themselves natch, will start talking and the judge just cant be loving bothered and dismisses that poo poo. Also the Bundys from the Oregon standoff tried a metric SHITTON of sovcit BS court filings which the court very carefully wasted a ton of time on. Only for terrible people from a terrible state to let them go because Oregon cares about "frontier spirit" more then thinking for any amount of time. Bombadilillo fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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Bombadilillo posted:People who think that "societal contract" = real life legal contract and they get to special snowflake out of getting a drivers liscence. Paying taxes. Listen to police. They also post these self-humiliating 40 min videos of altercations with police officers who stop them for something like speeding but then ends up with htem in prison. If a video ever gets posted, you gotta watch it like a porno: The first two minutes are them just repeating the words I do not consent, I do not agree with your "laws" then the last 2 minutes are them getting pulled out of their car and tazed
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Dexie posted:What exactly is a sovereign citizen? If you're being serious: imagine living in a country with a democratically elected government subject to the trias politica, and your brain is broken in such a manner that you basically think: wait a minute, no one asked me personally if I was ok with all these laws and the system that makes and ennforces them! Extrapolate from there, and you get people believing that every law is subject to their consent. The ways in which they try to justify that belief, ironically by invoking a twisted version of other laws, are very, very amusing and generally end in a thorough tasering. e:f,b
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Madcosby posted:They also post these self-humiliating 40 min videos of altercations with police officers who stop them for something like speeding but then ends up with htem in prison. If a video ever gets posted, you gotta watch it like a porno: The first two minutes are them just repeating the words I do not consent, I do not agree with your "laws" then the last 2 minutes are them getting pulled out of their car and tazed I really dont know what they share those. But I dont have time to touch the poop. Is it a "why didnt it work guys? I said I didnt consent" But yeah, watching someone yell I don' consent to a cop tazering them" I always want the cop to say "No poo poo" afterwards.
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Madcosby posted:They also post these self-humiliating 40 min videos of altercations with police officers who stop them for something like speeding but then ends up with htem in prison. If a video ever gets posted, you gotta watch it like a porno: The first two minutes are them just repeating the words I do not consent, I do not agree with your "laws" then the last 2 minutes are them getting pulled out of their car and tazed what kind of porn are you watching
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maskenfreiheit posted:what kind of porn are you watching Ahahahaha
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Bombadilillo posted:People who think that "societal contract" = real life legal contract and they get to special snowflake out of getting a drivers liscence. Paying taxes. Listen to police. Who cares.
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Aug 12, 2017 01:23
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Wizard Master posted:Who cares. I do not consent to this post
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Bombadilillo posted:I do not consent to this post
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Wizard Master posted:Who cares.
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Wizard Master posted:Who cares. Sovereign citizen spotted. Your post has entered you into a societal contract which now means you owe me $20 tax for every bad post. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUgmc7kKqOI ChesterJT fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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Aug 12, 2017 02:22
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Your avatar has gold fringes, ergo yours is a naval post, and as a freegoon upon the land I am outside its jurisdiction. https://youtu.be/OfSkBONbDwA
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Meatgrinder posted:If you're being serious: imagine living in a country with a democratically elected government subject to the trias politica, and your brain is broken in such a manner that you basically think: wait a minute, no one asked me personally if I was ok with all these laws and the system that makes and ennforces them! Extrapolate from there, and you get people believing that every law is subject to their consent. I was being serious. I'm familiar with that type of person but didn't realize there was a term for it. I have a friend on Facebook that's close to going fully in on that nonsense. He goes on a lot about the whole TAXATION IS THEFT crap too.
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Dexie posted:I was being serious. I'm familiar with that type of person but didn't realize there was a term for it. That's different. This isn't tax is theft. Its Taxes is a system that you can opt out of but the sheeple don't know that
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maskenfreiheit posted:what kind of porn are you watching The clue is in the username.
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Bombadilillo posted:People who think that "societal contract" = real life legal contract and they get to special snowflake out of getting a drivers liscence. Paying taxes. Listen to police. So libertarians then?
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do u know jenny posted:So libertarians then? Yeah, the ones with no money
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do u know jenny posted:So libertarians then? It's related, yeah. The sovcits get into a level where the law is literally ritual magic. If you draw the right sigils and utter the proper incantations you can make the law mean whatever you want it to mean. The basic premise in america is that the USA federal government isn't a government at all, it is a corporation incorporated in the UK and owned by the Bank of England or the Queen. State and local governments are also usually seen as corporations, not legitimate governments. Since they are corporations, you have a choice to contract with them or not. What is the legitimate government? Sheriffs. English common law circa the 1700s. Ye olde common law doesn't mention a lot of modern structures, so they don't exist. FBI isn't real, city police aren't real, they are just private security guards. The county Sheriff is the highest law enforcement authority. Presumably the nobility and royalty would also be legitimate, except that the US had a revolution to throw the bastards out and then never formed a new legitimate government. Libertarians generally believe the federal government exists, they just think it has overstepped it's constitutional authority, and most things should be governed by the state government not the federal government. Sovcits think the federal and state governments aren't really governments at all.
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ChesterJT posted:Sovereign citizen spotted. Your post has entered you into a societal contract which now means you owe me $20 tax for every bad post. You just got me in a huge timesink of watching these for the past 4 hours. Why does it seem like a lot of these people are from Indiana and California? Is there some sovereign citizen movement there or something? edit: It's amazing how many people think they can "plead the fifth" when cops ask for their driver's license. I've also heard 7 different people say "my registration is allowed to be expired because I am not operating a commercial vehicle". How do so many people get the law wrong? Not to mention a lot of them cite youtube videos proving they are right. So obviously they go on Youtube. But don't they see the 800,000 videos of them being wrong? Also the amount of people that think driving without plates is doing nothing wrong  edit 2: I am also noticing a lot of people claiming "by law, no crime has been committed if there is no injury to any persons" as if pickpocketing or burning down a vacant house isn't a crime or something Chumbawumba4ever97 fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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do u know jenny posted:So libertarians then? The way libertarians WANT reality to be. Sovcits think IS of you can magic words yourself out of societal responsibilities.
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you could probably get out of a parking ticket by showing up and being like "YOUR HONOR I CAN SEE FROM THE FLAG - just kidding. Listen, I know the officer claims I parked for 6 hours in front of an expired meter, but has that meter been rececently certified as accurate? Come on your honor, throw me a bone here!"
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Meatgrinder posted:If you're being serious: imagine living in a country with a democratically elected government subject to the trias politica, and your brain is broken in such a manner that you basically think: wait a minute, no one asked me personally if I was ok with all these laws and the system that makes and ennforces them! Extrapolate from there, and you get people believing that every law is subject to their consent. This premise was the basis of much of the Protestant reformation, especially the Anabaptists. Nobody asked them if they wanted to be a Christian and be baptized, etc (and also subject to the Church of Rome). The reformers just wanted to be able to make a sober, informed decision at the age of majority, rather than be born into the religion. Of course, the religion at the time also happened to be a good chunk of the government apparatus, so choosing to go your own way on the Christ thing was pretty much renouncing your citizenship and declaring yourself above the law. As you can imagine, wars, massacres, persecution pogroms and cult uprisings/suicides were in style for centuries because of that poo poo. Freemen just get owned in court or by cops. They don't get drowned, burned, hung or dismembered like in the bad old days.
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Pvt.Scott posted:This premise was the basis of much of the Protestant reformation, especially the Anabaptists. Nobody asked them if they wanted to be a Christian and be baptized, etc (and also subject to the Church of Rome). The reformers just wanted to be able to make a sober, informed decision at the age of majority, rather than be born into the religion. Of course, the religion at the time also happened to be a good chunk of the government apparatus, so choosing to go your own way on the Christ thing was pretty much renouncing your citizenship and declaring yourself above the law. As you can imagine, wars, massacres, persecution pogroms and cult uprisings/suicides were in style for centuries because of that poo poo. Yeah, but sovcits are usually not trying to express some independent faith or point of view, they're trying to not pay taxes or a speeding ticket.
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Last Buffalo posted:Yeah, but sovcits are usually not trying to express some independent faith or point of view, they're trying to not pay taxes or a speeding ticket. True, though some of them do answer only to God's law (and whatever the US trade act/treaty is that they all seem to cite regardless of country).
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I like how sovcits think they can use our roads paid for by our taxes and not follow our rules. They should build their own roads, then they can do what they want on them.
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Picnic Princess posted:I like how sovcits think they can use our roads paid for by our taxes and not follow our rules. They should build their own roads, then they can do what they want on them. There's a self video of one lady calling the police station and telling them she will charge them literally 200,000 if they pull her over. She truly believes that she get this entitlement because of magic words. They drag her out of her loving car and that. Its truly magical.
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ChesterJT posted:Sovereign citizen spotted. Your post has entered you into a societal contract which now means you owe me $20 tax for every bad post. Jesus the second policeman literally pulls the window out of the frame and it shatters to pieces in his hands. Is that how you know you're ready for retirement? "Some guy is quoting laws at me again *unsheathes tazer and sighs*"
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IIRC, it's gotten to the point where judges come down as hard as they possible can against SovCit types. Possibly police too, given they'll occasionally open fire on cops without warning at traffic stops. And just when you thought that couldn't get silly enough, there are black Sovereign Citizens, apparently sometimes invoking 'Moorish Law'.
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If you want a longer read, a Canadian judge went through the phenomenon and the arguments these people use. The interesting part starts at 60. https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html
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The sov guy trying to walk into court while filming and the guard is just not having it and tazes him is my favorite.
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:The sov guy trying to walk into court while filming and the guard is just not having it and tazes him is my favorite. "The guard"? Look at this guy who doesn't remember the name P. Barnes.
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Refried Noodle posted:If you want a longer read, a Canadian judge went through the phenomenon and the arguments these people use. The interesting part starts at 60. Was this the one where the Canadian sovcit was spouting off citing 200 year old American laws. That dude didnt understand his magic words are region locked.
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Bombadilillo posted:Was this the one where the Canadian sovcit was spouting off citing 200 year old American laws. They all do this. They'll bring up the Magna Carta, the Constitution, basically legal word salad like a Markov generator, anywhere in the world, because they all get it from the same place. It's legal snake oil. Homeopathy, even.
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Bombadilillo posted:That dude didnt understand his magic words are region locked. Maybe he should have said it while laying at a 45 degree angle and wearing a red shirt.
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Some good news regarding my account getting reopened, i was emailed a link to let me reset my password for the millionth time, then it let me log in and delete the account. or rather place my account on a waiting list to be deleted within the next two weeks. Man facebook sucks, why is there a waiting list to delete your account lol.
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