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Phrosphor
Feb 25, 2007

Urbanisation

It sounds like a melee attack or DFA will still completely strip the EVASIVE state from a robit because a close combat attack automatically makes it unsteady. So even if you have 6 charges of evasive on your locust you still don't want to get it too close.

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DatonKallandor
Aug 21, 2009

"I can no longer sit back and allow nationalist shitposting, nationalist indoctrination, nationalist subversion, and the German nationalist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious game balance."
We got us some EMP PPCs. EMPPCS? In any case PPC hits screw up the targeting (to-hit penalty) for the victims next turn. Hopefully that'll make them more attractive in the face of not-poo poo ACs.

Stock Awesome + Multi-target pilot for mass debuffs could be nice, but since it's battletech focus fire is probably still better.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Breaching Shot (formerly Precision Shot) stacks with Multi-targeting. I've been using it to great effect on my Trebuchets. Definitely try it out, seems like it would be rather strong.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

DatonKallandor posted:

We got us some EMP PPCs. EMPPCS? In any case PPC hits screw up the targeting (to-hit penalty) for the victims next turn. Hopefully that'll make them more attractive in the face of not-poo poo ACs.

Stock Awesome + Multi-target pilot for mass debuffs could be nice, but since it's battletech focus fire is probably still better.

hasn't that always been ppc flavor, but never realized mechanically?

Phrosphor
Feb 25, 2007

Urbanisation

Crits are a lot scarier now. My Orion had an AC10 Ammo explosions and it wrecked it, same thing happened to my Centurion in my first Multiplayer match.

isildur
May 31, 2000

BattleDroids: Flashpoint OH NO! Dekker! IS DOWN! THIS IS Glitch! Taking Command! THIS IS Glich! Taking command! OH NO! Glitch! IS DOWN! THIS IS Medusa! Taking command! THIS IS Medusa! Taking command! OH NO! Medusa IS DOWN!

Soon to be part of the Battletech Universe canon.

Q_res posted:

Breaching Shot (formerly Precision Shot) stacks with Multi-targeting. I've been using it to great effect on my Trebuchets. Definitely try it out, seems like it would be rather strong.
awesome + breaching + multi is my go-to abusive combo. just, shoot all the robots. all of them. and debuff them all.

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.


Captain Foo posted:

hasn't that always been ppc flavor, but never realized mechanically?

MW4 had it disrupt your HUD for a few seconds when you got hit by a PPC.

Paingod556
Nov 8, 2011

Not a problem, sir

Zaodai posted:

MW4 had it disrupt your HUD for a few seconds when you got hit by a PPC.

MW3 did that plus caused a heat spike.

Phrosphor
Feb 25, 2007

Urbanisation

Paingod556 posted:

MW3 did that plus caused a heat spike.

In MWO getting hit by a PPC disables any ECM that you have active.

Looking forward to more games tonight. Loving the new Evasion mechanic.

Bubbacub
Apr 17, 2001

I don't have time to play yet - how's the fury mechanic working out? I like that they flipped it from how morale used to work.

Tythas
Oct 3, 2013

Never felt at home in reality
Always hiding behind avatars


Bubbacub posted:

I don't have time to play yet - how's the fury mechanic working out? I like that they flipped it from how morale used to work.

It works really well i enjoy it more that the old system

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Zaodai posted:

MW4 had it disrupt your HUD for a few seconds when you got hit by a PPC.

I am not really sure how I forgot this given how many times I've played through MW4:M

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Captain Foo posted:

hasn't that always been ppc flavor, but never realized mechanically?

It's fine for a game-ism, most people associate lightning with electronics getting hosed up, but PPCs are a particle beam and giving they've never had an EMP effect.

Tight Stream EMP Cannons show up later, alongside such fun things as iNarc Haywire Pods, Plasma Rifles, Plasma Cannons, and the hilarious BattleMech Taser. TSEMP is pretty great. :getin:

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
It's the final realization of PPCs being "Man-made lightning!"

nah seriously I think it's a question a lot of developers have had to ask, which is how do you distinguish something that's pretty much an energy AC/10 and in most game environments the other differences (ammo, etc) don't matter as much as they do on TT.

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious
Played my first multiplayer match earlier today. Was a ton of fun, never thought I'd win, but here I am. The new balance changes are all for the best, I think.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Just played my first mp game against my old TT homie from middle school. I lost, but it was nostalgic good times.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
Yeah, the balance is way better, the tactical choices are far more interesting, the system refinements (stability, evasion) are all easy to understand and pretty good to interact with. It's really good. AI is much better, the works.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

They probably did smaller scale iterative changes internally to produce this build. Everyone I have talked to says its fantastic.

Phrosphor
Feb 25, 2007

Urbanisation

Some super angry grognards still on the forums. One guy is demanding they change the los range right now or else!

Paingod556
Nov 8, 2011

Not a problem, sir

Phrosphor posted:

Some super angry grognards still on the forums. One guy is demanding they change the los range right now or else!

Can that be edited in the .ini files or however them goons messed with the Beta a month back?

Phrosphor
Feb 25, 2007

Urbanisation

Paingod556 posted:

Can that be edited in the .ini files or however them goons messed with the Beta a month back?

Yep, this was pointed out to him, in addition to a mod hinting that the LOS range had deliberately been reduced to encourage brawling for gameplay testing. Didn't go down well, a bunch of posts have been deleted by mods at this point.

EDIT: Been playing PVP exclusively. As expected the pubbies are all trying to take as many LRM's as possible and trying to use a single light mech to scout with sensor lock. You can totally overwhelm them by rushing them hard.

Picture below is from round two of us knowing where each other is after the start of the game. I jumped the Quickdraw up there after he had used his Sensor Lock and it Matrix dodged everything he had and the next turn I was in among him and the LRM's weren't any use.

Phrosphor fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Aug 19, 2017

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
I'm not surprised the loudest complaints all come down to "but my beta 1 meta of a scout and 3 LRM boats isn't the best anymore!"

Caecitas
Sep 23, 2012

Dare ye pick the wizard?
Would anyone in the multiplayer beta like to play a few rounds with a beginner? I'm keen to waste a few hours on this, but would much rather sit on a discord and chat with players rather than play in silence VS pubs.

Great Beer
Jul 5, 2004

Psion posted:

I'm not surprised the loudest complaints all come down to "but my beta 1 meta of a scout and 3 LRM boats isn't the best anymore!"

Battletech players are the most resistant to change out of any group of gamers I've ever seen.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Great Beer posted:

Battletech players are the most resistant to change out of any group of gamers I've ever seen.

I wish I could say this wasn't true.

Change is fun, embrace the iNARC Bola Pods, the giant robot tasers, and the sheer insanity that is Extra Extra-Light Engine!

DatonKallandor
Aug 21, 2009

"I can no longer sit back and allow nationalist shitposting, nationalist indoctrination, nationalist subversion, and the German nationalist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious game balance."

Great Beer posted:

Battletech players are the most resistant to change out of any group of gamers I've ever seen.

I would like to point you to RPGCodex and it's unique brand of fanatic grognardism flavored with some racial supremacists to create a breed of person that genuinely thinks "socialism" is why RPGs don't have bad UIs anymore and that's why the white man is oppressed by the SJWs.

Complaints about how ECM totally shouldn't exist because "my timelines" have nothing on that.

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.


DatonKallandor posted:

I would like to point you to RPGCodex and it's unique brand of fanatic grognardism flavored with some racial supremacists to create a breed of person that genuinely thinks "socialism" is why RPGs don't have bad UIs anymore and that's why the white man is oppressed by the SJWs.

Complaints about how ECM totally shouldn't exist because "my timelines" have nothing on that.

People on all sides of the political spectrum have asinine, illogical ideas and also think stupid things about games. I'd dare say more people fit that mold than don't, it just doesn't seem particularly relevant. This is more the Star Wars fan kind of crazy where the retcons actively take away whatever books they enjoyed because those no longer being canon means it never "really" happened, even though none of it happened because it's fiction.

Berious
Nov 13, 2005

DatonKallandor posted:

"socialism" is why RPGs don't have bad UIs anymore

100% medically accurate

vorebane
Feb 2, 2009

"I like Ur and Kavodel and Enki being nice to people for some reason."

Wrong Voter amongst wrong voters
I want the Screamer by Uncle Stevie to be dlc.

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

vorebane posted:

I want the Screamer by Uncle Stevie to be dlc.

you know somewhere down the line there's gonna be a full Demon Hawks campaign and it's gonna own

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.


vorebane posted:

I want the Screamer by Uncle Stevie to be dlc.

And a King Dadlas boss fight. :tinfoil:

"You brought one lance? How quaint."

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Zaodai posted:

And a King Dadlas boss fight. :tinfoil:

"You brought one lance? How quaint."

That's four times as many chances to roll headshoots than he's got :rolldice:

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.


Section Z posted:

That's four times as many chances to roll headshoots than he's got :rolldice:

He has an armored cockpit, and is two tech levels ahead of you. :v:

Also he killed like 7 mechs in 45 seconds or something.

vorebane
Feb 2, 2009

"I like Ur and Kavodel and Enki being nice to people for some reason."

Wrong Voter amongst wrong voters
Is it wrong to desperately want them to pull out the ability to command a level 1?

And I am jealous of everyone who managed to get their keys before the weekend.

vorebane
Feb 2, 2009

"I like Ur and Kavodel and Enki being nice to people for some reason."

Wrong Voter amongst wrong voters
The dadlas can't be the end boss, we need to get each of the installation fights that were teased in addition to the Nergal. Which we need to staple together from atlai to depict obviously.

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.


vorebane posted:

The dadlas can't be the end boss, we need to get each of the installation fights that were teased in addition to the Nergal. Which we need to staple together from atlai to depict obviously.

You want to talk headshots being deadly? Have a headshot that goes through your entire mech vertically, blowing up everything in its path!

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Zaodai posted:

You want to talk headshots being deadly? Have a headshot that goes through your entire mech vertically, blowing up everything in its path!

I believe :pgi: called those Long Toms.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


The Harmony Gold drama takes another twist.

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.



Are they suing Tatsunoko, or being sued or what? It won't let me click any of those and I assume that movement to leave it sealed has to do with it, but I'm no fancy law man.

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Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


It appears to be HG suing Tatsunoko.

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