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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Monument Watch These things are dropping like flies really fast. I'm impressed and pleased.
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pillsburysoldier posted:The extreme quickness with which the confederate statues are going down speaks volumes about how weakly the statues' supporters actually cared about the "southern heritage" values they extolled It's incredible and bizarre. I know they're being removed all over the country, but if you live in the South, these things are loving ubiquitous. Growing up here, I wouldn't have ever expected them to disappear, because they're just part of the landscape. Now I think I'll eventually look back on them as a relic of my youth and an earlier time. The kind of thing you tell your kids about, like how my parents told me about their grandfathers' KKK regalia hidden in the chimney.
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Radish posted:Allowing Nazis to own the streets is also super intimidating to the towns they are marching in. Like if you are someone they are saying they are going to exterminate and they are running around without any opposition, that's pretty terrifying. Hopefully now that the ACLU has effectively dropped them they won't get nearly as far as they have before. Because yes, hearing "a bunch of Nazis are marching down main Street with enough firepower to take over the city" is rough
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Like, the point of marching against the rally is to *stop* the Nazis from rallying, it's not to get millions of people to watch nazis in rallies while sipping their lattes. Again, I don't think there has to be a conflict between confronting the nazis and not boosting their media exposure.
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Nazis are probably pretty happy that there were counter protesters.
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sean10mm posted:That's not what I'm talking about, actually. Chilichimp posted:J.K. Rowling is a fiction author. 
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898547379451740160 Trump sits at a desk with "kill all Muslims" written on a paper in front of him, while his aides try to talk him out of it in more and more desperate ways.
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Chilichimp posted:holy poo poo, he hasn't gone to Camp David loving once and never intended to go. Without irony or hyperbole yes. This is the start of another bargaining cycle. Trump is now the dysfunctional family member that everyone is trying to cover for and coax/beg/plead/bargain with. Trump has turned his inner circle into into a bunch of abuse victims who have developed Stockholm syndrome. Mike Pence might as well put on a dress and heavy eye makeup and sit meekly in his pew at church at this point. He is Trumps bitch to abuse at Trumps leisure.
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Conspiratiorist posted:But they got a protest permit while the counterprotesters didn't, therefore the Nazis had the moral highground and all violence is responsibility of the left and the police. It's also not true. Counter protesters had permits as well.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's not so much their numbers -- they're still relatively miniscule in terms of the overall population -- it's that they are receiving support and praise from the President, and the President is actively shutting down the government programs that would keep these kinds of radicals in check; cutting funding to investigate right wing terror groups, eliminating deradicalization programs, etc. As a result they're emboldened and think they can get away with things; they think the broader population supports them, because the president does. This is extremely dangerous thinking. The largest domestic terrotist attack happened under Clinton, which was a direct result of how terribly the government handled both Ruby Ridge and Waco. In fact, those three events provided justification for the curbing of law enforcement's monitoring far-right extremists. The OKC bombing did also have the affect of making those same groups unappealling to the population at large, but they had a massive resurgence with Obama amd they've only grown bolder since then. Had Clinton won, we definitely wouldn't be going through the same thing, but we could very easily have ended up in a worse situation.
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Angry_Ed posted:Not sure if Chilichimp posted:It's also not true. Counter protesters had permits as well. It's 
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pillsburysoldier posted:The extreme quickness with which the confederate statues are going down speaks volumes about how weakly the statues' supporters actually cared about the "southern heritage" values they extolled They're being pulled down quickly in non-CSA states
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Radish posted:Allowing Nazis to own the streets is also super intimidating to the towns they are marching in. Like if you are someone they are saying they are going to exterminate and they are running around without any opposition, that's pretty terrifying. I've counterprotested at a few klan rallies over the years. It's a lot less intimidating for everyone when:
Before Trump started legitimizing this poo poo and the right-wingers started doing the "open carry" protest, they were just ridiculous and their marches were just an opportunity for mass public mockery.
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Seeing Charlottesville immediately after having a black president is pretty crazy. It's actually surprising that none of those skin heads tried to shoot Obama.
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Are there numbers yet for how many alt right and nazis there were at Charlottesville? It seems there were only a few hundred.
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So Florida GOP party hosed over a lot of sick kids to help GOP donors? http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/health/florida-sick-kids-insurance-eprise/index.html
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MizPiz posted:This is extremely dangerous thinking. The largest domestic terrotist attack happened under Clinton, which was a direct result of how terribly the government handled both Ruby Ridge and Waco. In fact, those three events provided justification for the curbing of law enforcement's monitoring far-right extremists. The OKC bombing did also have the affect of making those same groups unappealling to the population at large, but they had a massive resurgence with Obama amd they've only grown bolder since then. Had Clinton won, we definitely wouldn't be going through the same thing, but we could very easily have ended up in a worse situation. This did not happen. Post OKC there was a massive (and successful) crackdown on Right Wing militias by LE. (Milita numbers plummeted duruing the end of Clinton's term and remained low all through George W's.) The re-emergence of militias during Obamas term was a direct consequence of Obama's blackness and the GOP deliberately stoking the militia movement for its own benefit. (Reminder that the first Bundy standoff occurred with the blessing/encouragement of RWM and the GOP.) Had Clinton won we would in no way be in a worse situation, we would have gotten this violence out of the way much sooner and with a much smaller pool of radicalized individuals involved. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Aug 18, 2017 |
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Enigma89 posted:Seeing Charlottesville immediately after having a black president is pretty crazy. It's actually surprising that none of those skin heads tried to shoot Obama. Luckily most of these open carry fuckos are largely cowards that get off on the intimidation. But then again, it only takes one.
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BonoMan posted:So Florida GOP party hosed over a lot of sick kids to help GOP donors? That's like par for the GOP now dude.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Before Trump started legitimizing this poo poo and the right-wingers started doing the "open carry" protest, they were just ridiculous and their marches were just an opportunity for mass public mockery. It's been said before but could you imagine if BLM were doing open carry protests? Just how loud the condemnation from the right and people like Trump would be? Enigma89 posted:It's actually surprising that none of those skin heads tried to shoot Obama. Racists are generally huge cowards. No-one probably tried because they knew it'd be suicide.
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It does not help that the Republicans have successfully tanked every report on how White Supremacists are a great threat to the nation.
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MizPiz posted:This is extremely dangerous thinking. The largest domestic terrotist attack happened under Clinton, which was a direct result of how terribly the government handled both Ruby Ridge and Waco. In fact, those three events provided justification for the curbing of law enforcement's monitoring far-right extremists. The OKC bombing did also have the affect of making those same groups unappealling to the population at large, but they had a massive resurgence with Obama amd they've only grown bolder since then. Had Clinton won, we definitely wouldn't be going through the same thing, but we could very easily have ended up in a worse situation. Those are a qualitatively different sort of problem though. Margnial fringe groups can always throw out "lone wolf" terrorist types, and yes, the American right fringe is particularly dangerous in that regard (McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, etc.) But those sorts of fringe terrorists don't present a [i]political/i] threat. Jerry Drake Varnell tried to blow up a bank in Oklahoma City over this past weekend. He isn't getting nearly as much attention as the Charlottesville rally, for a few reasons: 1) Law enforcement caught and prevented the attack, 2) he was acting by himself, and 3) Trump didn't defend him in a press conference. One lone nut with a truck bomb is a threat, but he's not the same kind of threat as a large number of armed nazis pushing a widespread political movement with support from the current elected head of state. One is a threat to the people in a specific building; the other is a general threat to our democratic system of government.
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Prester Jane posted:Without irony or hyperbole yes. This is the start of another bargaining cycle. Trump is now the dysfunctional family member that everyone is trying to cover for and coax/beg/plead/bargain with. Trump has turned his inner circle into into a bunch of abuse victims who have developed Stockholm syndrome. Mike Pence might as well put on a dress and heavy eye makeup and sit meekly in his pew at church at this point. He is Trumps bitch to abuse at Trumps leisure. This is one hundred percent true. I lived with an abuser on a smaller scale, and I've had to bargain to minimize embarrassment, pain, etc. With Trump, the power magnifies everything and this circle of protection is one half self preservation and one half the belief that Trump would never do anything that bad that would hurt them. They are somehow special.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's definitely weird. Why does he need to announce a meeting with Pence? Can't he just like have Pence stop by his office? reward pence for being pretty much the only republican elected official to go out and praise trump since tuesday?
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This is some tower of babel poo poo right here. Has it not crossed their minds even once that Trump is actually the worst person to champion as some sort of messiah/savior figure? Have these people never heard of false prophets?
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The joke from your post was the presidents comment which applied a moral judgement to counter protesters not having a permit to protest the permitted Nazi protest. I didn't see how that drew attention to the fact that, in spite of the presidents comments, the counter-protesters also had permits, so I wanted to clarify. My bad.
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We'll reach 25th territory when the Repubs realize their only hope of getting tax cuts through is if Trump is gone.
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CascadeBeta posted:This is some tower of babel poo poo right here. Has it not crossed their minds even once that Trump is actually the worst person to champion as some sort of messiah/savior figure? Have these people never heard of false prophets? It's the definition of creating God in your own image.
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Mozi posted:We'll reach 25th territory when the Repubs realize their only hope of getting tax cuts through is if Trump is gone. They're already past that point. As a matter of fact, some are coming straight out and saying the only way to get them is if the president remains uninvolved.
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The second tweet is actually Trump dropping the Statue of Liberty into the sea.
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Enigma89 posted:Nazis are probably pretty happy that there were counter protesters. Not the ones that got hit, arrested or outed publicly.
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CascadeBeta posted:This is some tower of babel poo poo right here. Has it not crossed their minds even once that Trump is actually the worst person to champion as some sort of messiah/savior figure? Have these people never heard of false prophets? The fact that he's saving the statue of liberty from the ocean is what makes this funny, seeing as he's done nothing to save America from the threat of climate change, and in fact has only marched the world further down that road.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I've counterprotested at a few klan rallies over the years. It's a lot less intimidating for everyone when: "open carry protest" is basically a contradiction in terms and should be banned in general. not just for nazis: for anyone. it's not a protest if you're heavily armed, its a threat.
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Chilichimp posted:The joke from your post was the presidents comment which applied a moral judgement to counter protesters not having a permit to protest the permitted Nazi protest. No, it's good, I should've done like a according to Trump who waited for all the facts or something
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We must not forget that only 50% of americans think the charlottesville nazis were 'mostly wrong'. It's still complacent to think that merely depicting the nazis doing their nazi and fighting anti-nazis is enough to defeat them.
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Prester Jane posted:Without irony or hyperbole yes. This is the start of another bargaining cycle. Trump is now the dysfunctional family member that everyone is trying to cover for and coax/beg/plead/bargain with. Trump has turned his inner circle into into a bunch of abuse victims who have developed Stockholm syndrome. Mike Pence might as well put on a dress and heavy eye makeup and sit meekly in his pew at church at this point. He is Trumps bitch to abuse at Trumps leisure. Two questions, then: 1) What do you think comes next, assuming that the abuse cycle continues? Does Trump back off for a bit because he's mollified, or does he escalate? 2) From your perspective, what would be the best sign that the cabinet/staff is willing to break the abuse cycle? What should we be expecting to see in advance of them trying to pull a 25th Amendment or mass resignation?
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ThePeavstenator posted:The second tweet is actually Trump dropping the Statue of Liberty into the sea. While shouting "I DO THE BEST BAPTISMS! THE BEST!"
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