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Inferior Third Season posted:I live in Europe, and I've been hearing about the hurricane on its way to drown Texas for nearly a week. i could be misremembering, but i recall cnn being a livestream of trump for the last week, with coverage of the hurricane only breaking in as the threat became imminent. anyone stateside remember coverage?
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Houston is dying and the orange monkey is tweeting about the wall.
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Aug 27, 2017 16:03
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https://twitter.com/rachaelgleason/status/901789165301493760 Every red dot is flooding every yellow warning is about to. You can update yourself here (click channel status) https://www.harriscountyfws.org/
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Aug 27, 2017 16:05
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Don't get me started on "hard road to hoe". I like this derail alot!
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Prester Jane posted:You sweet summer child. Trump is a clinical narcissist who is literally addicted to adulation. Trump will make this situation about himself, hamper/impair any serious response, and then blame the Deep State for intentionally sabotaging the response to make him look bad. Oh sure, sorry. I wasn't clear. I don't think he's going to do a good job, but I think he'll manage the appearance of a good job enough that a solid chunk of people will come away thinking he's not so bad.
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Big Mad Drongo posted:I like this derail alot! You guys should reign this poo poo in.
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Unkempt posted:You guys should reign this poo poo in. Are you talking about the thread derails or the Trump administration?
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Aug 27, 2017 16:08
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Aug 27, 2017 16:09
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Unkempt posted:You guys should You had one job.
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Prester Jane posted:This is very likely the end of Houston as a major metropolitan area and hub of commerce (at the very least it is a several years pause in that), and its is going to deal a massive blow to the American economy once the reality of how much of our domestic oil production has been destroyed finally sets in. Let's not read too much into this. Houston has catastrophic flooding every few years. Very often, the flood waters literally burst into flames. It keeps going, because the industries are insured, and most of the infrastructure remains intact during the flooding. It is cheaper to rebuild from any individual catastrophe than it is to move somewhere else.
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Prester Jane posted:You sweet summer child. Trump is a clinical narcissist who is literally addicted to adulation. Trump will make this situation about himself, hamper/impair any serious response, and then blame the Deep State for intentionally sabotaging the response to make him look bad. Oh god gently caress, you're right, I hadn't thought at all about the oil refineries. They're all there aren't they?
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Aug 27, 2017 16:13
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Will the death toll be a lot higher than the 8 confirmed so far? I'm having a really hard time determining whether this event is monumentally more catastrophic than other hurricane hits against major cities.
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Aug 27, 2017 16:15
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NmareBfly posted:Oh sure, sorry. I wasn't clear. I don't think he's going to do a good job, but I think he'll manage the appearance of a good job enough that a solid chunk of people will come away thinking he's not so bad. My bad on misinterpreting you- you do raise an interesting question though. How much of his radicalized base will support his coming failure no matter what, and how many of those people will become violent in response to the perceived sabotage by the Deep State? God this whole thing is terrible. I hope I'm wrong and FEMA manages a marvelous response despite Trump and the assorted obstacles they face.
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WrenP-Complete posted:Reminder: https://www.texastribune.org/2017/08/25/officials-send-texans-mixed-messages-hurricane-evacuations/ I think part of it is that I am pretty sure you can't evacuate something the size of Houston via car., and that's not counting a lot of the smaller coastal cities, too... though overall, this sort of stuff is really where our decentralized hands-off style of government is at its worst.
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Yeah, I don't think this is going to be any earth-shattering catastrophe that ends the Trump Administration; they'll muddle through, lots of journalists will mutter about how the preparation/response could have been better and that poor regulation exacerbated stuff but without drowning people on the news every night for a week, the American people will shrug and move on. Then in six months gas prices are $4 a gallon and serious poo poo hits the fan.
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Some sample reporting on the recovery after things like Ike and Allison http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/18/news/economy/hurricane_aftermath/?postversion=2008091812 https://www.icis.com/resources/news/2001/06/18/140931/tropical-storm-snarls-texas-and-louisiana-facilities/
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WrenP-Complete posted:Coffins coming out of the ground in Houston. rain walkers
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business hammocks posted:Will the death toll be a lot higher than the 8 confirmed so far? I'm having a really hard time determining whether this event is monumentally more catastrophic than other hurricane hits against major cities. 8 dead as I understand it is the semi-barren island about five miles out from corpus Christi. I haven't heard of any authoritative accounts regarding Houston yet.
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Aug 27, 2017 16:18
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Trump is already shifting blame on nature, by saying this is the worst hurricane ever, just the biggest. He almost sounds happy on his tweets!
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Prester Jane posted:My bad on misinterpreting you- you do raise an interesting question though. How much of his radicalized base will support his coming failure no matter what, and how many of those people will become violent in response to the perceived sabotage by the Deep State? If you search facebook for responses to Gorka's firing, a lot of them complain about the Deep State making a move against Trump and express genuine concern that the government is in the control of a secret conspiracy. I had no idea there were so many people who believed such lunatic poo poo. Something big is going to have to happen to shake us out of this.
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Aug 27, 2017 16:21
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nerdz posted:Trump is already shifting blame on nature, by saying this is the worst hurricane ever, just the biggest. He almost sounds happy on his tweets! He can relate to a big, lovely, destructive force that also brought liquid where it wasn't supposed to.
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nerdz posted:Trump is already shifting blame on nature, by saying this is the worst hurricane ever, just the biggest. He almost sounds happy on his tweets! Well, he is. He wants to be the biggest bestest authority in charge, and being able to say his administration dealt with the worst storm to ever hit the country will let him feed for years.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:good thing the rain is stopping and not staying heavy for another 3-4 days Flood waters don't crest when the rain stops either, iirc it can take up to a week.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Don't get me started on "hard road to hoe". You mean it's not "hard road to whore"? Huh, that one always made so much sense to me too.
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skeleton warrior posted:Well, he is. He wants to be the biggest bestest authority in charge, and being able to say his administration dealt with the worst storm to ever hit the country will let him feed for years. There is also very real potential here for Trump to slap down opponents. All he needs is a couple of people getting overzealous in their trump blame and he can accuse the left of trying to capitalize on disaster to score points.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There is also very real potential here for Trump to slap down opponents. All he needs is a couple of people getting overzealous in their trump blame and he can accuse the left of trying to capitalize on disaster to score points. https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/901792253643038720
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Discendo Vox posted:Zoning laws are virtually never used for this purpose because when that's the political goal you can just not have any zoning regs. In the absence of zoning laws, developers almost universally create low-density suburban and non-mixed use commercial, along with monstrously inefficient crud like service road systems. Even when a developer goes for higher density construction, ad hoc NIMBY opposition is what sinks it, not zoning laws. Zoning is often used to prevent high density development. Have you heard of a city called San Francisco? 'cause a huge part of its problem is that buildings are limited by height in most of the city so they're unable to "build up" to meet demand. And since it is surrounded by ocean they can't build out either. It is very common for community groups who want to stop a project of high density development to get the zoning of an area changed to prevent it.
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business hammocks posted:Will the death toll be a lot higher than the 8 confirmed so far? I'm having a really hard time determining whether this event is monumentally more catastrophic than other hurricane hits against major cities. Hurricanes are bad and dangerous and cause massive property damage but they are often on the fairly low end for deaths. Since they tend not to be very sudden. One that covers an area with millions of people will usually be a few hundred people dead. Which is each a human life and shouldn't be minimized, but is a lot lower than other major natural disasters. Like tornados last a few minutes in a small area and can kill hundreds of people. The death toll will be more than 8 but it's not going to climb into the thousands like some other types of disasters (probably)
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farraday posted:Flood waters don't crest when the rain stops either, iirc it can take up to a week. Yup. Up here in Austin the flood waters will crest and recede pretty fast due to the fact we're on the edge of the rain. But at the same time the massive amount of water that's being dumped here, and San Antonio and EVERYWHERE North West of the coast has to filter down through the coastal areas and out to sea. Those coastal areas aren't just getting the water that was dropped on them, they're going to be getting the vast majority of what was dropped "above" them as well.
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happyhippy posted:Waiting for Trump to sign an order to stop the number of the dead from being released to the public. He's going to continue to insist that his big, beautiful help saved Texas from the biggest, nastiest, worst storm in the history of ever. Refusing to acknowledge any failings and crying Fake News at anything that doesn't say he did the best job of any President ever in tweeting at a hurricane. Simultaneously he's going to blame all the bad things on Obama and the Texas State and Local governments. The Great Orange Leader did not fail, he was failed. He did a wonderful, spectacular, bigly job, and we should all sing his praises while we curse the name of Obama and his Texas cronies. Like lyin' Ted, his assassin father, his ugly wife, and his single handed undermining of Trump.
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nerdz posted:Trump is already shifting blame on nature, by saying this is the worst hurricane ever, just the biggest. He almost sounds happy on his tweets! The 39 people Hurricane Andrew killed (and which I survived) say t  to that.Donnie can barely get low-energy "just a lot of rain" hurricanes to make landfall. Sad!
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Gyges posted:He's going to continue to insist that his big, beautiful help saved Texas from the biggest, nastiest, worst storm in the history of ever. Refusing to acknowledge any failings and crying Fake News at anything that doesn't say he did the best job of any President ever in tweeting at a hurricane. This is 100% what I expect. There are so many parties in play that it's going to be ludicrously easy to point the finger at someone else to take the blame for every wrong thing, and take full credit for every one that works out well. Maybe he'll even get a photo op where Navy 1 (that's the presidential helicopter, right?) rescues someone from a roof. Edit: I guess what annoys me is that this is going to be a big enough disaster that it'll hit the radar of 'I don't pay attention to politics' people. If they pay attention now and see Trump doing Presidential Things then they're going to come away with the memory of 'well he really swooped in for Houston!' and gloss over everything else. We'll see! NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Xae posted:Zoning is often used to prevent high density development. I have indeed heard of San Francisco! San Francisco is not representative of...well, pretty much anywhere else in the world, but particularly of zoning laws as a disincentive for high density development outside of CA. Its government, geography and distribution of resources is too different. Even there, though, the solution would not be "no zoning laws". Xae posted:It is very common for community groups who want to stop a project of high density development to get the zoning of an area changed to prevent it. That would be the "ad hoc NIMBY obstruction" I referred to, a site-specific zoning deviation. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:The 39 people Hurricane Andrew killed (and which I survived) say t Lol child. I survived Hugo when it hit loving Charlotte.
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business hammocks posted:If you search facebook for responses to Gorka's firing, a lot of them complain about the Deep State making a move against Trump and express genuine concern that the government is in the control of a secret conspiracy. I had no idea there were so many people who believed such lunatic poo poo. Something big is going to have to happen to shake us out of this. It's all bots or people who don't see anything but bots in their feed that are responding like that. We couldn't just pay a yearly $5 fee to use Facebook, nope there had to be advertisements. There's no incentive for social media companies to kill fake bot accounts when they can count them as users.
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Offing his family before blowing his own brains out is the only thing Trump could 'do' at this point that I could give one poo poo about.
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I know this is the trump thread so it's best to discuss news in trump terms but katrina is pretty much the only case in all of US history of a hurricane having major effect on presidential approval ratings, one way or the other. so no one should really worry about or hope for this being any sort of big impact on effecting trump's image.
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