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MillennialVulcan posted:Imagine how many Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians have been summarily executed by their captains for unwittingly falling victim to subspace anomolies, mindcontrol probes, or brainaltering chemically enduced backwards-evolutioning.
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I think "pissed off the wrong nigh-omnipotent energy being" would be a recognized cause of extinction in Star Trek anthropology. E: duh, exhibit A: the Husnock.
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Sep 1, 2017 01:30
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Marshal Radisic posted:That's a really good point. The Star Trek universe is full of all this weird stuff, but we only every see how Starfleet crews react to it. We occasionally get little looks at how other species deal with stuff like this in episodes like in "Dramatis Personae" in DS9 and "Observer Effect" from Enterprise, but it's only ever glimpses. On top of that, do the other empires have to deal with the really weird big things our Federation heroes deal with on a yearly basis? Have the Klingons ever had to fend off a Borg cube? Has a Romulan commander ever had to find a way to kill a star-sized paramecium? Has a Cardassian gul ever had to stand as a representative of his species before an omnipotent energy being?
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Sep 1, 2017 02:06
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MillennialVulcan posted:Imagine how many Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians have been summarily executed by their captains for unwittingly falling victim to subspace anomolies, mindcontrol probes, or brainaltering chemically enduced backwards-evolutioning. Things like this simply don't happen to any of the other factions. Given how finicky it is, how the hell did the Trill ever discover symbiosis?
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Sep 1, 2017 02:20
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Beachcomber posted:Things like this simply don't happen to any of the other factions. probably like unknowingly swallowing a tapeworm that takes over your brain
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Sep 1, 2017 02:25
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hiddenriverninja posted:probably like unknowingly swallowing a tapeworm that takes over your brain Or just makes you extremely susceptible to...suggestion.
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Sep 1, 2017 02:30
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Beachcomber posted:Things like this simply don't happen to any of the other factions. I think they mention at one point that almost every Trill can have a symbiote, and they keep lying about it because otherwise it would cause a scarcity crisis.
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Sep 1, 2017 02:34
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McSpanky posted:I think "pissed off the wrong nigh-omnipotent energy being" would be a recognized cause of extinction in Star Trek anthropology. Or V'ger; how much cataloging did it do? Or Nomad for that that matter.
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Sep 1, 2017 03:05
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Beachcomber posted:Things like this simply don't happen to any of the other factions. Beachcomber posted:Given how finicky it is, how the hell did the Trill ever discover symbiosis? It's a patchwork history, and one that assumes the Trill as a species were not quite as thoughtlessly exploitative as we are, but it's a workable idea that doesn't have things go completely lovely for the symbionts, and could also serve as a decent sf/f premise on its own.
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Sep 1, 2017 03:27
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Beachcomber posted:Given how finicky it is, how the hell did the Trill ever discover symbiosis? 
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Sep 1, 2017 03:42
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It's probably just like those mushrooms that take over ant brains except the mushroom is intelligent and the whole experience isn't so unpleasant
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Sep 1, 2017 03:44
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The trill symbiotes are just goauld with good marketing
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Sep 1, 2017 03:54
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MillennialVulcan posted:Imagine how many Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians have been summarily executed by their captains for unwittingly falling victim to subspace anomolies, mindcontrol probes, or brainaltering chemically enduced backwards-evolutioning. This reminds me of some really old Star Trek (we're talking TOS era) board game where all of your away missions are handled by a big book filled with randomized paragraphs. You'd 'beam down' with a handful of iconic characters with specific stats/traits, be told to read paragraph 433, and go to paragraph 242 if you have ~this~ skill, 562 if you don't, etc. If you got lucky as hell (and were playing the Federation), you'd get a from-a-TOS-episode plot where everything went like it did in the episode. If you weren't, you got what could only be described as a TOS episode mixed (at best) with an 90s Outer Limits ending. If you were the Klingons, your best results were obviously-evil results.
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Sep 1, 2017 03:58
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Tunicate posted:The trill symbiotes are just goauld with good marketing Yeerks with good marketing
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Sep 1, 2017 03:59
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Personally I'm with Hobbes whenever this kind of topic becomes up, not because it's disgusting but because the answer is so blindingly obvious its annoying when someone doesn't think of it.
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Sep 1, 2017 04:46
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MikeJF posted:Nobody, cos they see weird poo poo, fire a volley of torpedoes at it, and warp in the other direction. This is fun in the Stellaris Trek mod when a quest pops up and as the Federation you feel like following the show plot or investigating, but there's always a "blow it the gently caress up immediately" option that I hammer when I'm playing someone else like Cardassians.
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Sep 1, 2017 05:02
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Reasons 9 year old me didn't like ds9 1. No captain 2. They don't go anywhere 3. I thought star trek was beyond religion 4. Annoying bajorans 5. Theme music is boring 6. Runabouts are lame 7. Station doesn't have weapons 8. Station doesn't look federation-y 9. Sisko doesn't like Picard 10. So what if there's a wormhole? 11. Wtf is all this emissary stuff 12. Annoying little kid 13. Bajorans 14. Didn't really get this whole "occupation" deal 15. Everyone didn't just get along 16. Not everyone was starfleet 17. 9 year old me was impossibly lame 18. Bajorans
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Sep 1, 2017 05:52
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poo poo, most of those are why the show remains the redheaded stepchild of the franchise to this day.
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Sep 1, 2017 06:13
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Beachcomber posted:Things like this simply don't happen to any of the other factions.
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Sep 1, 2017 06:21
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I have an old friend with whom I grew up watching TNG, who to this day refuses to give DS9 a try mainly because it's on a station and Star Trek is about exploration, not sitting on a station
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Sep 1, 2017 06:27
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MillennialVulcan posted:Imagine how many Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians have been summarily executed by their captains for unwittingly falling victim to subspace anomolies, mindcontrol probes, or brainaltering chemically enduced backwards-evolutioning. MikeJF posted:Nobody, cos they see weird poo poo, fire a volley of torpedoes at it, and warp in the other direction. Confirmed. This is literally what the Kligons were doing at the start of TMP (they were then summarily executed by V'Ger).
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Sep 1, 2017 06:40
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Pakled posted:I have an old friend with whom I grew up watching TNG, who to this day refuses to give DS9 a try mainly because it's on a station and Star Trek is about exploration, not sitting on a station Try shaming him into it by saying that's exactly what Brannon Braga's attitude was.
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Sep 1, 2017 06:58
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I love We Hate Movies so tried their upcharge TNG review show... had to stop because of the constant DS9 bashing (when most of them admit to never having watched it)
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Sep 1, 2017 07:14
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B-b-b-b-but Gene's Vision! 
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Pakled posted:I have an old friend with whom I grew up watching TNG, who to this day refuses to give DS9 a try mainly because it's on a station and Star Trek is about exploration, not sitting on a station I'm kind of curious what the percentage is of TNG episodes (or even TOS for that matter) where they are actually exploring instead of dealing with established colonies and other known nations. By your friend's logic, Voyager is the best series by probably a wide margin.
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Sep 1, 2017 09:42
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Pakled posted:I have an old friend with whom I grew up watching TNG, who to this day refuses to give DS9 a try mainly because it's on a station and Star Trek is about exploration, not sitting on a station If only DS9 were about the exploration of the human condition as it pertains to war and religion  No offense, but your friend sounds like one of those people that hates when Star Trek "gets all political and preachy".
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Sep 1, 2017 09:46
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Cat Hatter posted:I'm kind of curious what the percentage is of TNG episodes (or even TOS for that matter) where they are actually exploring instead of dealing with established colonies and other known nations. By your friend's logic, Voyager is the best series by probably a wide margin. More seriously you could probably say that they do do a lot of exploration stuff in the Gamma Quadrant, though it is obviously less of a focus than in TNG.
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Cat Hatter posted:I'm kind of curious what the percentage is of TNG episodes (or even TOS for that matter) where they are actually exploring instead of dealing with established colonies and other known nations. By your friend's logic, Voyager is the best series by probably a wide margin. Early on the exploring is common, but it diminishes in focus I think. I couldn't say how much of that is perception though. It doesn't always turn out the way you might think. I remember making a comparison of the old and new Doctor Who and finding that even the 3rd Doctor, who was exiled to Earth and had the TARDIS disabled, spent more time offplanet than the new series did.
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Sep 1, 2017 12:46
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Other Star Treks are about humans exploring aliens; DS9 is about aliens exploring humans. So get over your human privilege!
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Sir Lemming posted:Other Star Treks are about humans exploring aliens; DS9 is about aliens exploring humans. So get over your human privilege! And exploring the occasional Trill. 
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Sep 1, 2017 15:01
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I love how the DS9 computer is an unhelpful piece of poo poo. It's like CREW: What if we did *complicated  * to the *ship system*?ENTERPRISE COMPUTER: (instantly) *helpful answer* DS9 COMPUTER: (long pause) Don't do that.
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Sep 1, 2017 16:20
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Aliens find ancient superweapons and god-like beings all the time, the problem is that the Federation always magically jumps in and blows it up before they can use them.
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Sep 1, 2017 16:22
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I also like how an alien takes over the DS9 computer and is immediately discovered because it's too helpful and fast.
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Sep 1, 2017 16:27
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Arglebargle III posted:I also like how an alien takes over the DS9 computer and is immediately discovered because it's too helpful and fast. And then they contain it in a subroutine and it was never heard from again. It would have been kind of cool if it had helped out in the next season's Defensive Measures, even as a throwaway line.
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Sep 1, 2017 16:29
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Arglebargle III posted:I also like how an alien takes over the DS9 computer and is immediately discovered because it's too helpful and fast.
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Sep 1, 2017 16:34
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Kira: Computer, determine origin of the weapon. Computer: Unable to comply. Analysis contains censored listing. Kira: *cough* Remove censor filters and complete analysis. Computer: Weapon originated from the ungrateful and degenerate planet of Bajor. It is classified as a weak, pathetic, and cowardly weapon often mishandled by ignorant Bajoran terrorists. Kira: Put the filters back in place. Computer: Unable to comply, Bajoran filth detected. Please proceed to the nearest airlock.
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Sep 1, 2017 16:35
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vermin posted:Kira: Computer, determine origin of the weapon. Cardassians rule, Bajorans drool.
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Sisko was pretty close-minded about Dukat and the Pah-Wraiths. E: Also Picard and Riker about the "superior" form of life in Conspiracy. Or maybe open minded in that particular case. King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Sep 1, 2017 |
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Mike the TV posted:And then they contain it in a subroutine and it was never heard from again. It would have been kind of cool if it had helped out in the next season's Defensive Measures, even as a throwaway line. Oh no, does that mean they murdered it when they flee the dominion? Picard very bitchy at the beginning of Genesis. I understand Data is along for plot reasons, but otherwise it doesn't really make sense.
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King Hong Kong posted:Sisko was pretty close-minded about Dukat and the Pah-Wraiths. Starfleet is an incredibly racist (speciest?) organization and always has been, they're just good at convincing people otherwise
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