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Koalas March posted:Real talk: if you didn't join the forums to dunk on lovely people I don't want to know you man I joined the forums to goonrush the I<3NY2 contest for The Fireman,  , and also for news article dumps in GBSe: although twitter fills in the gap that GBS 2.0 has left me with nicely now
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clockworkjoe posted:If you think the online fascists don't partake in the same kind of endless bickering and pile ons that go on in here, I don't know what to tell you. Every political movement's online base is constantly at war with itself for the dumbest poo poo. My favorite is racist podcast dude who got outted as having a Jewish wife. So once he got doxxed he divorced his wife.
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Kale posted:Can we just rename the thread to "Insult Comedy Thread 2017" and be done with it. Then I can migrate over to the new Trump politics thread a month or so from now with the people that still consider that matter topical and urgent and then possibly everybody wins. People get their 2017 version of Hell Dump and the people that want to talk about the U.S President, matters like Harvey and ongoing issues in the United States can do that without the Don Rickles poo poo going on all around them. My dude, let me just explain one more time. It is nobody else's responsibility to educate you. If you are getting pushback, google and learn. It is very privileged od you to demand that this whole thread bow down and work to educate you, as if your opinion was somehow of great importance. You posted like a jackass and you got called out a little. If you'd done even cursory googling you'd hsve been able to figure out why you were getting dogpiled. Instead you whined a lot, and wondered why that was making it worse.
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clockworkjoe posted:If you think the online fascists don't partake in the same kind of endless bickering and pile ons that go on in here, I don't know what to tell you. Every political movement's online base is constantly at war with itself for the dumbest poo poo. Yeah, put ten nazis in a room, nine leave they lynched the tenth for not being pure enough. Every few months they'll have a big dumb argument, last year they were fighting over whether finns are proper whites. Before that a bunch of american nazis took genetic tests to great hilarity. They split over atheism vs gods chosen people being the USA. It never ends. Richard Spencer has a russian wife (possibly ex) and they've fought over whether she's from 'the last true white run country' or 'a dirty slav' it's insane. n3wt fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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Trabisnikof posted:You're the person who is mad at identity politics because it makes it harder for you to communicate with bigots about video games, I don't think you're exactly going to be the strongest ally when the going gets tough. Why would I want to help somebody that is just going to turn around and attack me no matter what I say or do anyway? Other people that are in need of it, yes, people like you that seem to have nothing better to do than just continue to attack others long after many people have decided to let bygones be bygones, that's something I'd need to consider in a Frog and the Scorpion sort of way. Like is it worth it to do the right thing or is the guy just gonna sting me and we both end up drowning in the process. Also this is some of the dumbest posting right now. I admitted my mistake and that I made a bad inconsiderate post, when are you gonna knock it off already with the petty horseshit and make the thread tolerable again for everybody. n3wt posted:Don't worry, the left in England is crippled by infighting and the left in France exploded in a backstabbing frenzy in the last election. At least France managed to hold off on electing a full on Alt-Right candidate. For now at least infighting or not the modern alt-right movement seems to have stalled at the U.S Borders and hopefully stays that way cause gently caress extremism TBH. Captain Monkey posted:My dude, let me just explain one more time. Cause what happened for the last 10 pages was such a better alternative than just establishing a dialogue and getting down to business. No it's not anybody's responsibility to specificy their beefs, but it should would help in a lot of cases. I can't help but feel a big part of the reason America has these problems and is so divided is because people have this mentality. You said something that comes across as insensitive to me? Well gently caress you I hate you forever. Nobody trying to talk to other people, nobody trying to reconcile their poo poo the most efficient way possible with clarity and understanding, just digging up dirt on one another and you said one thing I kind of disagree with so gently caress you forever and low and behold 2017 America. You don't have to consider any of this, I mean after all I'm apparently your enemy right, how could I possibly ever have anything of value to say in your eyes ever.....but I really have to wonder. Kale fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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Kale posted:
Please tell me where I went wrong!! WHY IS EVERYONE POSTING ABOUT WHERE I WENT WRONG!? Dude, just stop reading the thread then.
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Randbrick posted:Nobody is leaving this loving Applebee's until everybody is god drat clear about where I stand on race war.
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Trabisnikof posted:My favorite is racist podcast dude who got outted as having a Jewish wife. Come on, you can't bring in something amazing like this and not offer names/links!
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Kale posted:At least France managed to hold off on electing a full on Alt-Right candidate. For now at least infighting or not the modern alt-right movement seems to have stalled at the U.S Borders and hopefully stays that way cause gently caress extremism TBH. I'm curious if they'll continue to avoid it even after Macron guts their labor protections.
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Kale posted:Also this is some of the dumbest posting right now. I admitted my mistake and that I made a bad inconsiderate post, when are you gonna knock it off already with the petty horseshit and make the thread tolerable again for everybody.
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Captain Monkey posted:Please tell me where I went wrong!! You've made an extremely strong case for why that's a good idea worth giving a lot of thought to, don't worry about that for a moment. It's not exactly a remotely pleasant read at the moment and I'm certainly not staying informed via the insult comedy stuff. Grapplejack posted:I'm curious if they'll continue to avoid it even after Macron guts their labor protections. I've always understood France to be a pretty staunchly left leaning nation. They entertained this idea all of once while Trump and the Alt-Right still had all of their momentum. I'm skeptical Le Pen will come as close as she did if she makes another go at it with how unpopular this ideology has come even since the election thanks to Trump. Still I hope they come at her like a bull coming out of a cage if she tries. Kale fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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Kale posted:Another thing I learned today too is that a lot of people in this thread joined the forum specifically just to poo poo on another user. That's something to consider heavily for posterity. This forum had a user that loved making GBS threads on himself, and convinced other users to crowdfund a porn film about people making GBS threads, and it got made and is a real thing. I guess my point is, if you've been around SA for long you'll notice it's a lot of poo poo, posting, and shitposting, I don't know where you've been hanging out to not know this.
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Kale posted:Why would I want to help somebody that is just going to turn around and attack me no matter what I say or do anyway? Other people that are in need of it, yes, people like you that seem to have nothing better to do than just continue to attack others long after many people have decided to let bygones be bygones, that's something I'd need to consider in a Frog and the Scorpion sort of way. Like is it worth it to do the right thing or is the guy just gonna sting me and we both end up drowning in the process. Next time google racism 101 or benevolent racism. It's textbook to ask for people's time educating you on the basics or time-wasting because your feelings hurt because someone felt your post was racist. If you walk on someone's foot you don't get to say I'm not a foot squisher because I would never want to hurt people or maybe you didn't feel the squish. You believe the person who's foot you walked on and start looking harder at where you walk. You don't spend multiple posts telling people to not be offended by your offensive post because you're a good person, tell those offended that they are wrong for feeling offended and ask to be educated on how not to be a shitposter in a passive agressive way. ¯\(°_o)/¯
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Kale posted:You've made an extremely strong case for why that's a good idea worth giving a lot of thought to, don't worry about that for a moment. If you can't understand 'I shouldn't have to hold your hand for you to not be racist' then I don't know what to tell you. If you are really actually and truly confused, feel free to PM. If you're just sealioning, then well I guess just keep on keeping on.
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r.y.f.s.o. posted:This forum had a user that loved making GBS threads on himself, and convinced other users to crowdfund a porn film about people making GBS threads, and it got made and is a real thing. Actually I spend most of my time in the SAS hockey forums which are quite nice actually. Very little of this sort of stuff, mostly just talking about sports and poo poo. Captain Monkey posted:If you can't understand 'I shouldn't have to hold your hand for you to not be racist' then I don't know what to tell you. So which is it am I a full blown racist now or just somebody that was being insensitive as to a perspective on race relations. Where are we landing this? Kale fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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Grapplejack posted:I'm curious if they'll continue to avoid it even after Macron guts their labor protections. Ok but isn't this a good example of the larger problem? Realistically are the choices now between 'liberals' who gut labour to stave off the last few death throes of the 'market' or fascism? I mean if that's our only choices we've already lost. I'm not claiming to have an answer but if things are that dire maybe, just a thought, any port is good and we could put aside our purity tests for a bit and organize? Or you know, keep doing this, that works too I guess. E: I mean there's people in this thread complaining that antifa is too aggressive and violent. Again, we hosed. squirrelzipper fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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Kale posted:Why would I want to help somebody that is just going to turn around and attack me no matter what I say or do anyway? Other people that are in need of it, yes, people like you that seem to have nothing better to do than just continue to attack others long after many people have decided to let bygones be bygones, that's something I'd need to consider in a Frog and the Scorpion sort of way. Like is it worth it to do the right thing or is the guy just gonna sting me and we both end up drowning in the process. g^5 good god girl get a grip, is this middle school? this is basically whitefragility.txt and it's pathetic
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Grapplejack posted:I'm curious if they'll continue to avoid it even after Macron guts their labor protections. Part of the reason Marine LePen lost hard was not anti fascist sentiment but that she had absurd economic policies like frexit and a return to the franc. Also she had no policy other than foreigners=bad. I have no doubt facism will try to creep in, probably via the macron gov.
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The last dozen pages of this thread posted:Well this is unfortunate. Is there anything else happening in Trumplandia today? I wonder what Jeff Sessions, the acting Attorney General, thinks about asset forfeiture? quote:"I love that program," Sessions said. "We had so much fun doing that, taking drug dealers' money and passing it out to people trying to put drug dealers in jail. What's wrong with that?" What a swell guy.
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squirrelzipper posted:Ok but isn't this a good example of the larger problem? Realistically are the choices now between 'liberals' who gut labour to stave off the last few death throes of the 'market' or fascism? I mean if that's our only choices we've already lost. I'm not claiming to have an answer but if things are that dire maybe, just a thought, any port is good and we could put aside our purity tests for a bit and organize? Or you know, keep doing this, that works too I guess. See I don't want to say I'm agreeing that this is a good question to be asking because I'm some sort of pariah ultra racist white privileged toxic poster now and I don't want to drag this down by association unintentionally, but this is really is a good question. n3wt posted:Part of the reason Marine LePen lost hard was not anti fascist sentiment but that she had absurd economic policies like frexit and a return to the franc. Also she had no policy other than foreigners=bad. I have no doubt facism will try to creep in, probably via the macron gov. So did Trump though. Matsuri posted:The reason why this "dogpile" has been going on for so long is because you keep going with the petty fussing and digging yourself deeper into a hole you could have easily climbed out of had you just shut up. Yeah well let's just say several users are going on ignore after this post. If people want to do the same for me I rightly don't care, I doubt I want to hear from them anymore anyway and all the worst twisting and "this is what you are" crap. Kale fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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clockworkjoe posted:If you think the online fascists don't partake in the same kind of endless bickering and pile ons that go on in here, I don't know what to tell you. Every political movement's online base is constantly at war with itself for the dumbest poo poo. Yeah, but at least the fascists aren't stupid enough to whine, stamp their feet and stay at home and not vote.
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n3wt posted:Don't worry, the left in England is crippled by infighting That's an interesting take on current events
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Kale posted:Actually I spend most of my time in the SAS hockey forums which are quite nice actually. Very little of this sort of stuff, mostly just talking about sports and poo poo. Probably the higher percentage of Canadians influencing the overall tone and politeness of the Hockey subforums. Anyway if it seems like all the other kids are being mean to you, please understand that you're the umpteenth privileged soul to have wandered in here with an air of both superiority and victimization, playing tone police with a noticeable lack of understanding of some basic concepts, my advice to you is to back away, allow this thread to resume consuming itself every time there's a half our gap between fake news tweets and good dogs, and relax.
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Mr Interweb posted:Yeah, but at least the fascists aren't stupid enough to whine, stamp their feet and stay at home and not vote. Not empty quoting. The right will bicker and bitch but when the rubber hits the road they line the gently caress up.
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Sephyr posted:Come on, you can't bring in something amazing like this and not offer names/links! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Enoch Kale posted:Why would I want to help somebody that is just going to turn around and attack me no matter what I say or do anyway? Other people that are in need of it, yes, people like you that seem to have nothing better to do than just continue to attack others long after many people have decided to let bygones be bygones, that's something I'd need to consider in a Frog and the Scorpion sort of way. Like is it worth it to do the right thing or is the guy just gonna sting me and we both end up drowning in the process. See that's the thing, you wouldn't be attacked "no matter what you say" you're being criticized because of the things you keep saying. You keep portraying any criticism as an attack on you personally. Like you've been lightly criticized on an Internet forum so you're declaring this the same as being stabbed in the back. You're still making the same mistake and you don't recognize it. Kale posted:Also this is some of the dumbest posting right now. I admitted my mistake and that I made a bad inconsiderate post, when are you gonna knock it off already with the petty horseshit and make the thread tolerable again for everybody. Then you act like the victim by claiming that you should be insulated from criticism because you apologized for a post once. Your basic premise is that you don't want to be an ally in the fight against racism or sexism if it makes the bigots you interactive with want to spout stupid ideas. You don't deny this, instead you blame anyone who brings this up for driving you away from the cause. You pretend to care about the future of anti-fascism but this attitude is antithetical to it. Who cares if you get shitposted, if you cared about racism or sexism it wouldn't wither your convictions, it wouldn't make you say "why would I want to help." Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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r.y.f.s.o. posted:Probably the higher percentage of Canadians influencing the overall tone and politeness of the Hockey subforums. What a wonderful idea.
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squirrelzipper posted:Ok but isn't this a good example of the larger problem? Realistically are the choices now between 'liberals' who gut labour to stave off the last few death throes of the 'market' or fascism? I mean if that's our only choices we've already lost. I'm not claiming to have an answer but if things are that dire maybe, just a thought, any port is good and we could put aside our purity tests for a bit and organize? Or you know, keep doing this, that works too I guess. If you presuppose consensus are a requirement all political ideas are hosed. Who cares if someone says the Left is dead, you don't have to let them make that choice for you. Our society is as ripe to supersede capitalism as it ever has been. Even a decade ago organizing an alternative global economic system was a fantasy and today there is an alternative economic system just for crime!
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"Kale" posted:I'm some sort of pariah ultra racist white privileged toxic poster now and I don't want to drag this down by association unintentionally, but this is https://qz.com/656159/the-scientific-way-to-train-white-people-to-stop-being-racist/
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It's lame that Kale took up so many pages with being willfully ignorant any whiney, but it's actually good that dismissive ignorance is called out strongly. It's reminiscent of many conversations I've seen unfold on Facebook, and even if they suck these conversations need to happen. A couple weeks ago my partner (born in Mexico) pointed out to a mutual friend/family of friends that he was spreading white supremacist talking points when he literally said that the antifa were worse than the Nazis and were the side responsible for violence breaking out. He predictably got super angry, and pulled the victim card saying the video and comment he posted were just "jokes" and he shouldn't be attacked for just posting in defense of the first amendment. She had to remind him that people with guns and torches yelling about blood and soil and cleansing the streets is in no way a "joke" for non-white people. She was praiseworthily calm and tried to explain white privilege to him, and he just got more angry and one of his asshat friends told her to "get back in the kitchen." Her last line in their exchange before he unfriended her was pretty great. Paraphrasing, she said, "I'm not attacking you. I love and respect both you and your family. I'm trying to help you. When a person of color is telling you that you are repeating white supremacist propaganda that isn't an attack on your person, it's an arm stretched out in aid." She was pretty upset by the whole exchange, understandably. The conversations on the forums are much less personal, but they still need to happen. They are frustrating and emotionally charged, but I'd rather scroll past someone wallowing in ignorance being dunked on than be passive and let those opinions go unchallenged. Weird detail, the douchebag defending Nazis has a Hispanic last name, but looks super white and has never been treated as not white. But still his father was born in Mexico so 
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Gum posted:That's an interesting take on current events
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squirrelzipper posted:Ok but isn't this a good example of the larger problem? Realistically are the choices now between 'liberals' who gut labour to stave off the last few death throes of the 'market' or fascism? I mean if that's our only choices we've already lost. I'm not claiming to have an answer but if things are that dire maybe, just a thought, any port is good and we could put aside our purity tests for a bit and organize? Or you know, keep doing this, that works too I guess. If you're wondering why the left isn't setting aside differences and throwing in with liberals, that's simple: liberals are ideological and organizational dead weight. They're not even unreliable allies and are better understood as and treated as enemies of progress and justice. So-called "purity" tests are really just reminding people of that basic fact. American liberalism is going to side with the fascists and you see it happening already. It's actually quite stunning: we're only two weeks from Charlottesville[1] and they've already successful moved the conversation wholly on to "hmmm how about those antifa huh? so violent tsk tsk." No one is talking about Nazis rallies across the country (except in the context of the antifa there to oppose them). That's not a mistake.
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Grapplejack posted:So thread, how about some anecdotal experiences? How are Republicans in your personal lives feeling about Trump? It's probably like 20-80 in terms of people who like him vs. people who hate him for a variety of reasons for me. The other day he admitted that he didn't have any reason he hates Hillary, but it looked like he was in actual pain to say it.
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Kale posted:Yeah well let's just say several users are going on ignore after this post. If people want to do the same for me I rightly don't care, I doubt I want to hear from them anymore anyway and all the worst twisting and "this is what you are" crap. What I'm saying is if you would have just either accepted the criticism (because whether you like it or not, they're not wrong) instead of doubling down (multiple times) with the fussy "I'm the REAL victim here" nonsense, this really wouldn't have been an issue. You know, stuff like this: quote:See I don't want to say I'm agreeing that this is a good question to be asking because I'm some sort of pariah ultra racist white privileged toxic poster now You could have just dropped that bit and gave your input without saying anything else, and continued the discussion like everyone else, but you had to get the passive aggressive jab in and it just makes you sound like a fool.
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Grapplejack posted:So thread, how about some anecdotal experiences? How are Republicans in your personal lives feeling about Trump? It's probably like 20-80 in terms of people who like him vs. people who hate him for a variety of reasons for me. Then I just cut off contact with them. gently caress the GOP - anyone still putting that (R) next to their name or voting for someone with it, is an enemy of the people.
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coyo7e posted:During the election my dad hated on Hillary and leaned to Bernie. After the election he has not yet said who he voted for. My dad hates Hillary because he thinks 13 Hours is a documentary. He's also too ashamed to say who he voted for. If Mattis ever leaves (and/or Kelly) he'll probably flip. He's an "at least Mattis is there" former marine. Both my parents would have voted for Bernie or Warren. Ugh, I don't hate Hillary, I just hate that she ran.
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