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SpaceDrake posted:I'm not sure I saw raining ash, but I definitely saw THE BLOOD SUN and it actually does feel kind of gnarly to breathe outside right now. The moon was a really vivid orange/red last night too. The ash is loving up my lungs hardcore and badly aggravating my asthma. I've already doubled up on my steroids and I'm thinking about taking a facemask or three from work.
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seiferguy posted:The blood moon and ash falling from the sky is just Nintendo of America's latest marketing ploy for next BotW DLC. lovely draw distance confirms this to be true.
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silicone thrills posted:It's literally dropping ash in downtown Seattle right now. 12 years I've lived here and never experienced this. No sun. It's cooler than expected which is nice I guess. The only thing I've seen resembling this is the pictures of when St Helens blew and that was definitely worse. This sucks though.
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i came this close (-----) to diving into my "regressive taxes are never the solution"/"stop putting bandaids on climate change issues" responses before coming to my senses
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besides, this is the better option https://twitter.com/portlandmercury/status/905202414680104960
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Ah yes, a well-reasoned BAD THING HAPPEN, BAN RELATED THING argument, despite the vast majority of fire-causing fireworks being already illegal. I also love how nobody seemed too interested in the firepocalypse happening on the west coast until one started near Portland. Southern OR has been completely smoked in for a few weeks now.
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Javid posted:Ah yes, a well-reasoned BAD THING HAPPEN, BAN RELATED THING argument, despite the vast majority of fire-causing fireworks being already illegal. massive forest fires near densely populated areas is a California problem, hth
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Javid posted:Ah yes, a well-reasoned BAD THING HAPPEN, BAN RELATED THING argument, despite the vast majority of fire-causing fireworks being already illegal. I dunno, I have been keeping tabs on the Chetco Bar fire and I know a lot of people on southern Oregon who have been complaining of smoke. OPB has been reporting on fires all over the state. It might be that goons were not aware of what it is like during fire season in parts of the state they don't live in. The smoke in the Portland area is currently worse then I remember it being in Medford/Ashland during the Biscuit fire in 2002. From the description it was firecrackers, which are illegal anyway in Oregon. Maybe they should just make it a felony to possess fireworks in the woods.
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So it's already illegal to possess them, and illegal to light them, and probably also illegal to light them in the woods, specifically (I assume both BLM and USFS have regs about it) But truly, that fourth law they'd have to break would really be the last straw that keeps stupid hicks from lighting poo poo on fire.
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If you were planning on going to the eastern part of Mount Rainier, don't. I probably wouldn't want to go anywhere else in the park either with the smoke.
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Javid posted:So it's already illegal to possess them, and illegal to light them, and probably also illegal to light them in the woods, specifically (I assume both BLM and USFS have regs about it) If there were no readily available entertainment or sporting incendiary devices the world would be a better place.
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:I've been here all my life and know we've had plenty of forest fires but I've never had pdx covered in smoke more than a single week. The sheer volume of various forest fires is pretty impressive, I just drove from the central coast to portland and didn't break smoke cover once. Again, it's not a volume problem. According to today's morning NWCC rollup there have been 1,762 fires (814 human, 109,699 acres; 948 lightning, 332,550 acres) so far in OR YTD; In 2015 there were a total of 2,588 fires for 685,809 acres. So I believe what you actually meant to say, is actually 'the proximity of fires to major metropolitan areas is .... ??' Inconveniencing? Made me aware that this happens all over the state & region every year but I've never really been cognizantly aware of it until I could see it from my own house?  Out of sight out of mind I guess. Thousands of people lose their livelihood as well as many of them their homes and possessions as well, sadly these are only featured, at best, as a 30-60 second clip in the news as a "WILDFIRE UPDATES ACROSS THE STATE" because they can't just send two camera crews and a reporter 30 minutes up I-84 to drive around in the middle of the night on SR-14 to provide 'Live Breaking Coverage of DARK ROADS AT NIGHT and a faint smudge of orange on a hillside' I also find everyone panicking about BAN FIREWORKS to be sadly amusing and depressing at the same time. 
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Javid posted:I also love how nobody seemed too interested in the firepocalypse happening on the west coast until one started near Portland. Southern OR has been completely smoked in for a few weeks now. I've been saying for ages that we need to start doing controlled fires, these massive fires wouldn't be happening if we let natural fires run their course. Forests of the past were never this dense, they're only this dense because we are allowing them to get dense. We put out fires before they clear out old dead trees and underbrush and it just leads to massive uncontrollable fires like we're seeing now.
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ElCondemn posted:I've been saying for ages that we need to start doing controlled fires, these massive fires wouldn't be happening if we let natural fires run their course. Forests of the past were never this dense, they're only this dense because we are allowing them to get dense. We put out fires before they clear out old dead trees and underbrush and it just leads to massive uncontrollable fires like we're seeing now. Yeah, that is the core of the problem. Unfortunately the government and specifically congress has not been so enthusiastic about approving additional funds for prevention.
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I remember it being an asinine talking point for cut-to-the-bone conservatives: why would we pay people to set fires? We're trying to prevent fires! 
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SeaborneClink posted:Again, it's not a volume problem. Do you have acrage amount compared to yearly averages for other states? I tried to find info on the nwcc site and wasn't having much luck. Is there a resource for fire info in BC? I brought up the eagle Creek fire as it's a little more relevant for posters, but hasn't Montana burned more than a million acres so far this year?
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meowmeowmeowmeow posted:Do you have acrage amount compared to yearly averages for other states? I tried to find info on the nwcc site and wasn't having much luck. Is there a resource for fire info in BC? I posted the YTD (which I've since walked back as inaccurate) as well as the 3-year, 5-year and 10-year averages (acres burned) for CA, ID, MT, OR, WA. Were you specifically looking for an accurate YTD for other states vs their bucket averages? What states are you specifically looking for? I can compile it, BC may be more difficult but I can probably get it. NRCC (Northern Rockies Coordination Center), they report for all of Montana, basically all of North Dakota and the Northern 'half' of Idaho, as of this (8/5/17) morning's roll up , reports 2,761 fires for 1,138,896 acres. Edit: Eagle Creek/Indian Creek is around 35-40k acres burned as of a few hours ago. Edit 2: 19:30 PDT IR flight analysis is in, 30,929 acres 
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH https://twitter.com/alweaver22/status/905466090947469314 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Dino Rossi probably has a good chance of winning, though? He's got name recognition even if he's lost everything that he's run for, and Auburn is pretty red as hell.
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seiferguy posted:Dino Rossi probably has a good chance of winning, though? He's got name recognition even if he's lost everything that he's run for, and Auburn is pretty red as hell. Pretty sure Dino's name recognition is 'that guy who loses literally every race, always, forever'.
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seiferguy posted:Dino Rossi probably has a good chance of winning, though? He's got name recognition even if he's lost everything that he's run for, and Auburn is pretty red as hell. His district is more Ellensburg than Auburn at this point. Auburn's just weird, though. The same people elect Pat Sullivan and Mark Hargrove.
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I've been calling his office since the election. We even were planning on physical stopping by to complain. Nice Dems in that district don't seem to have thier poo poo together. They can't even show up in effective ways for poo poo like parades or festivals in the blue areas. That said, whole bunch of people moving into Issaquah and North Bend and a lot of them are D voters.
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:besides, this is the better option i do get where this is coming from but at the same time i honestly wonder if the mentality that leads people to shriek about momentary distractions for "lizard brains" would also tut-tut about how we shouldn't encourage kids to play with squirt guns because it's wasteful of water
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i do get where this is coming from but at the same time i honestly wonder if the mentality that leads people to shriek about momentary distractions for "lizard brains" would also tut-tut about how we shouldn't encourage kids to play with squirt guns because it's wasteful of water when those squirt guns burn down one of oregon's natural attractions then maybe people will get upset about them
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that said don't get me wrong if fireworks get fully banned after this year i won't be terribly surprised or heartbroken over it especially if a full ban means we get to drop the hammer on future forest fire starters for straight-up arson
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Fireworks on FS property are already illegal. Setting fire to a forest whether accidental or on purpose is already illegal. Oregon banning fireworks does nothing to prevent dumb people from doing dumb things. The alleged suspect was from Washington anyway. Next question please.
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I'm fine with fireworks being banned, but what we really need is proper management of forests and controlled burning and all of that. Any odd thing can spark a fire. Like was said earlier, congress is to blame for this.
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Shifty Nipples posted:ban fire ban trees
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Ban Oxygen, it's the most crucial and abundant leg of the Fire Triangle.
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SeaborneClink posted:Ban Oxygen, it's the most crucial and abundant leg of the Fire Triangle. This but unironically.
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SeaborneClink posted:Again, it's not a volume problem. This is some condescending mansplainin', good job . Sure, we have might have similar amount of localized fires, but as a region we are getting blasted. Most of the smoke up until recently thats been experienced in Portland hasn't even been from Oregon fires, but the record breaking fires in BC. But no, tell me more about how I don't care enough to notice this totally normal fire season. Or don't, I get enough of this "Actually!" bullshit in my day to day life.
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Isn't Richerts district fairly gerrymandered, like it grew a Republican serving tumor over his tenure?
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seiferguy posted:Dino Rossi probably has a good chance of winning, though? He's got name recognition even if he's lost everything that he's run for, and Auburn is pretty red as hell. You guys have a Ron Saxton too!?
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:You guys have a Ron Saxton too!? Was he gutted like a fish in several debates as well? It's been a long time, but I seem to recall Gregoire completely loving over that smarmy little gently caress.
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